Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants)

[exculpatory]

https://apple.news/AVo-CBkouSL6Qt1TrO9sF6g

“The vast majority of COVID-19 patients overwhelming hospitals are unvaccinated, months after the vaccine became widely available to U.S. adults.

As of Friday, the ICUs in Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky and Texas all exceeded 90 percent capacity. The ICUs in Alaska and Montana, meanwhile, were 84 percent and 77 percent full, respectively, according to federal data.”

Disgraceful.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Rob, is it true that when ICUs are full with unvaccinated people that other people may be turned away from care and even die?

[PerkinsFor3]

Are the non-vaccinated players expected to be available at media day tomorrow?

[Ed Pinkney]

Rob, is it true that when ICUs are full with unvaccinated people that other people may be turned away from care and even die?

Surely hospitals would just triage as normal, but the obvious risk is once they are at capacity someone is not getting a bed and then more people will die than should have.

[SuperDeluxe]

Rob, is it true that when ICUs are full with unvaccinated people that other people may be turned away from care and even die?

Surely hospitals would just triage as normal, but the obvious risk is once they are at capacity someone is not getting a bed and then more people will die than should have.

That's awful. But on the flipside, we're safeguarding the right of millions of people like ddb to not wear a mask, to not social-distance, and to not give a **** about anybody but themselves. Good trade-off.

[exculpatory]

Rob, is it true that when ICUs are full with unvaccinated people that other people may be turned away from care and even die?

YES YES YES

[exculpatory]

Rob, is it true that when ICUs are full with unvaccinated people that other people may be turned away from care and even die?

Surely hospitals would just triage as normal, but the obvious risk is once they are at capacity someone is not getting a bed and then more people will die than should have.

YES YES YES

[exculpatory]

Rob, is it true that when ICUs are full with unvaccinated people that other people may be turned away from care and even die?

Surely hospitals would just triage as normal, but the obvious risk is once they are at capacity someone is not getting a bed and then more people will die than should have.

That's awful. But on the flipside, we're safeguarding the right of millions of people like ddb to not wear a mask, to not social-distance, and to not give a **** about anybody but themselves. Good trade-off.

SD

Shameful.

Disgraceful.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Rob, is it true that when ICUs are full with unvaccinated people that other people may be turned away from care and even die?

Surely hospitals would just triage as normal, but the obvious risk is once they are at capacity someone is not getting a bed and then more people will die than should have.

YES YES YES

Doesn’t that mean like, someone with a burst appendix or in cardiac arrest or in the critical hours after a stroke might not be able to get care? Has this happened or is it a worst-case scenario?

[Bad-Thoma]

Surely hospitals would just triage as normal, but the obvious risk is once they are at capacity someone is not getting a bed and then more people will die than should have.

YES YES YES

Doesn’t that mean like, someone with a burst appendix or in cardiac arrest or in the critical hours after a stroke might not be able to get care? Has this happened or is it a worst-case scenario?

It has happened, here's a few quick links I found (I know Vox is a very liberal leaning site but their factual reporting is high just reported with loaded language, thought I had to mention it because I shoot down people's questionable sources a lot in this thread). It's inevitable when ICU's are full.

https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/2021/9/14/22650733/us-covid-19-hospitals-full-texas-alabama

https://www.kltv.com/2021/08/27/man-dies-waiting-icu-bed-family-says/

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/13/1036593269/coronavirus-alabama-43-icus-at-capacity-ray-demonia

[exculpatory]

Surely hospitals would just triage as normal, but the obvious risk is once they are at capacity someone is not getting a bed and then more people will die than should have.

YES YES YES

Doesn’t that mean like, someone with a burst appendix or in cardiac arrest or in the critical hours after a stroke might not be able to get care? Has this happened or is it a worst-case scenario?

Has not happened yet in my hospital.

Have heard about very sick people being moved long distances to find an open ICU bed in about 15 different states.

Would not be the least surprised if this has resulted in unnecessary deaths.

Read the article I posted.

[Triple7]

Real bummer that we have guys on our team who are not vaccinated. It just seems so basic.

I have a hunch there are still guys on this roster who think Kyrie Irving is a "thought leader." I sincerely hope that a guy like Tatum, who has already had covid, is smart enough to get the shot.

The problem is most players who got covid, got a mild case with little to no symptoms at all. Their mindset would be, why take an unproven vaccine, if having a strong body and immune system would be enough. I do hope JT isn’t one of those guys.

[Fencer reregistered]

Sorry about the bad Rolling Stone link. This should be the correct one.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/nba-anti-vaxxers-covid-1231988/

I have no idea who the unvaccinated Cs are, except to the extent the article's interviews made clear that Enes and Grant aren't among them. I'd hope it's guys who already had the disease, because they at least have an excuse for their position.

A minimal excuse.

The previously infected do indeed significantly benefit from the vaccines.
I have posted the supporting citations at least 3 times.
And the CDC recommends it.
Albeit, they are in a better place than the non-previously infected unvaccinated dip shuts.

That suffices to prove that, if one has a realistic view of the general risks of getting vaccinated, one should get vaccinated in this instance. But not everybody has realistic views about those risks.

[Fencer reregistered]

YES YES YES

Doesn’t that mean like, someone with a burst appendix or in cardiac arrest or in the critical hours after a stroke might not be able to get care? Has this happened or is it a worst-case scenario?

Has not happened yet in my hospital.

Have heard about very sick people being moved long distances to find an open ICU bed in about 15 different states.

Would not be the least surprised if this has resulted in unnecessary deaths.

Read the article I posted.

There also were deaths last year from serious elective surgeries -- e.g. heart bypasses -- being postponed.

[jirrit]

More garbage and misinformation.

Like I said. Just sharing it. Didn’t say I believe it

Do you understand that by sharing you keep stupid things alive?

Wow.

[Shuttlesworth99]

I find the most frustrating part down here in Australia is the narrow minded view regarding covids impact on hospitals / medical industry.

So many people just go with the statistics of who is in ICU and make the decision that it’s not that bad and that a business being under restrictions is worse. I’ve had many arguments with people stating that it’s the people with other needs / illnesses that miss out that aren’t reported.

Those same people that will be against vaccinations are still going to go straight to hospital if their family is sick with something else. Will they all get help?

[Green89]

Real bummer that we have guys on our team who are not vaccinated. It just seems so basic.

I have a hunch there are still guys on this roster who think Kyrie Irving is a "thought leader." I sincerely hope that a guy like Tatum, who has already had covid, is smart enough to get the shot.

The problem is most players who got covid, got a mild case with little to no symptoms at all. Their mindset would be, why take an unproven vaccine, if having a strong body and immune system would be enough. I do hope JT isn’t one of those guys.

I think it may have more to do with the arenas making the players do it in order to play, than preferring natural immunity. I don't think they want it forced upon them like that.

[GoCeltics123]

Lol @Nets fans dealing with Kyrie being an anti-vaxxer right now, he needs to get it or he can't play home games (unless he gets an exemption)

[playa-hater]

Don't know if this was mentioned somewhere, but glad to hear NBA legend KAJ is calling for the NBA to "not allow" any NBA players from playing the season unless vaccinated.

By rule, I don't like when any government/enterprise/institution/organization makes any mandates of any nature, but to every rule, there are exceptions. And while I respect any initial hesitancy as "human nature", I believe it has been to the point where there is enough "evidence" and "information" to make a better and obvious decision without fear and hesitations.

Just my 2 cents on this topic.

+ 1 Kareem.

[watsonthedragon]

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Well it sure sounds like JB isn't vaccinated...