Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Stanford]

If the lady doesn't work out, maybe Georges Niang could do PBP

are you talking about Kate Scott? she was on a local radio sports talk show out in the Bay Area and she was great. I heard she got the Sixers play by play job and wish her luck. She also did the Olympics and college football. Give her a chance, she knows her sports and is a pro.

I was commenting on Georges Niang's great speaking voice

[Note30]

How high is the chance that Maxey will be a better player than Anthony Edwards in 3 years?

Above 50% or below 50%?

How about next season? Above 50% or below 50%?

This is quotable.

It’s just me trying to get the wisdom of the crowd.

I also like Edwards and prefer him over Maxey. While Maxey is getting overrated on this board compared to elsewhere.

And having this exercise could lead you to be more mindful on Edwards and Maxey’s real value.

How good do you think Edwards can be? Kevin Durant and Harden level? Why can’t he just be someone as good as a 20ppg 2 way guard like Jaylen Brown or Oladipo?

How good do you think Maxey can be? A 20ppg scoring guard like Kemba Walker or Terry Rozier?

Is the gap that big?

I see Edwards floor as Cory Magette comp and his ceiling as Jimmy Butler but a much better shooter.

[76ciology]

This is quotable.

It’s just me trying to get the wisdom of the crowd.

I also like Edwards and prefer him over Maxey. While Maxey is getting overrated on this board compared to elsewhere.

And having this exercise could lead you to be more mindful on Edwards and Maxey’s real value.

How good do you think Edwards can be? Kevin Durant and Harden level? Why can’t he just be someone as good as a 20ppg 2 way guard like Jaylen Brown or Oladipo?

How good do you think Maxey can be? A 20ppg scoring guard like Kemba Walker or Terry Rozier?

Is the gap that big?

I see Edwards floor as Cory Magette comp and his ceiling as Jimmy Butler but a much better shooter.

I think Jimmy and Jaylen are both in the same spectrum.

Actually i was thinking how about Paul George or Kawhi? Can Edwards reach those two guys’ level. But I dont think so given how elite George and Kawhi’s defense are. And I dont think Edwards has that in him.

I think Jimmy as ideal, Jalen as realistic are the comps.

That said.. I know Jimmy is better than Ben, but the gap is not that big. And if you consider how Ben fits with KAT, Beasley and DLo. I think it’s a fair deal. And we’re evaluating Edwards at his best case and Ben not at his best case.

[76ciology]

Have you guys checked JJ’s podcast with Thybulle? Super entertaining. We need to put him in max contract and let him commit to be our TV commentator once he retires.

[Negrodamus]

Doc coaching limits will be tested if they dont replace ben on defense , see what happens.... 1st in the league last year.

Maybe we'll play the guy that was top 2nd in spg per 36 and top 15 in bpg per 36 to cover for his absence.

[76ciology]

Read on Twitter

Got to be one of the weirdest media that i can remember. Like our players talked like they’re GM.

[Murray_17]

Mattisse was super fed up with the media

[Stanford]

Mattisse was super fed up with the media

I get it, everyone was asking dumb, indirect questions that he would have had to reinterpret or just couldn't answer. Was pretty uncomfortable to watch though.

But not as uncomfortable as Amy Fadool asking Drummond if he's washed.

[erving4ever]

Read on Twitter

Got to be one of the weirdest media that i can remember. Like our players talked like they’re GM.

I hope Joel doesnt get fined by Silver for tampering.

[Sixersftw]

Maxey and Embiid are the only things that are gonna get me through this cursed season.

[Ballerhogger]

Read on Twitter

Got to be one of the weirdest media that i can remember. Like our players talked like they’re GM.

just showing off the times we live in the nba. Will he get finned? I doubt it but i could see lacob razing little cane of it

[Ballerhogger]

Doc coaching limits will be tested if they dont replace ben on defense , see what happens.... 1st in the league last year.

Maybe we'll play the guy that was top 2nd in spg per 36 and top 15 in bpg per 36 to cover for his absence.

team defense is affected by it just saying

[Note30]

It’s just me trying to get the wisdom of the crowd.

I also like Edwards and prefer him over Maxey. While Maxey is getting overrated on this board compared to elsewhere.

And having this exercise could lead you to be more mindful on Edwards and Maxey’s real value.

How good do you think Edwards can be? Kevin Durant and Harden level? Why can’t he just be someone as good as a 20ppg 2 way guard like Jaylen Brown or Oladipo?

How good do you think Maxey can be? A 20ppg scoring guard like Kemba Walker or Terry Rozier?

Is the gap that big?

I see Edwards floor as Cory Magette comp and his ceiling as Jimmy Butler but a much better shooter.

I think Jimmy and Jaylen are both in the same spectrum.

Actually i was thinking how about Paul George or Kawhi? Can Edwards reach those two guys’ level. But I dont think so given how elite George and Kawhi’s defense are. And I dont think Edwards has that in him.

I think Jimmy as ideal, Jalen as realistic are the comps.

That said.. I know Jimmy is better than Ben, but the gap is not that big. And if you consider how Ben fits with KAT, Beasley and DLo. I think it’s a fair deal. And we’re evaluating Edwards at his best case and Ben not at his best case.

Ben is who he is. He's unlikely to change.

Edwards can be better than Jimmy imo. He will shoot more accurately and be able to score more.

I can see Edwards as a 25-27 ppg scorer with all the skill Jimmy has plus a 3 ball.

It's not that close if we are talking about it that way.

[Negrodamus]

Doc coaching limits will be tested if they dont replace ben on defense , see what happens.... 1st in the league last year.

Maybe we'll play the guy that was top 2nd in spg per 36 and top 15 in bpg per 36 to cover for his absence.

team defense is affected by it just saying

I'd say depth is more of a concern. Thybulle in year three will probably surpass Ben in defensive skillset would be my hot take. If he ever finds consistency in his jumper, he'll be more valuable than Ben, but that's a big if.

[76ciology]

I see Edwards floor as Cory Magette comp and his ceiling as Jimmy Butler but a much better shooter.

I think Jimmy and Jaylen are both in the same spectrum.

Actually i was thinking how about Paul George or Kawhi? Can Edwards reach those two guys’ level. But I dont think so given how elite George and Kawhi’s defense are. And I dont think Edwards has that in him.

I think Jimmy as ideal, Jalen as realistic are the comps.

That said.. I know Jimmy is better than Ben, but the gap is not that big. And if you consider how Ben fits with KAT, Beasley and DLo. I think it’s a fair deal. And we’re evaluating Edwards at his best case and Ben not at his best case.

Ben is who he is. He's unlikely to change.

Edwards can be better than Jimmy imo. He will shoot more accurately and be able to score more.

I can see Edwards as a 25-27 ppg scorer with all the skill Jimmy has plus a 3 ball.

It's not that close if we are talking about it that way.

That’s what im saying. You’re comparing Edwards at his best case and Ben at his worst case.

What if you just value edwards and Ben both at the middle of the spectrum of cases?

You’re looking at a 20-6-4 Jaylen Brown or a 20-6-6 Jimmy and a 16-8-8 Ben Simmons? You’re sacrificing some value on edwards but benefitting a whole lot as a team in terms of fit.

[Negrodamus]

Jimmy is a weird comparison for Edwards. He's always been a dog on the defensive end and built his game up offensively into what he is today. Edwards has been whatever on defense in his first year and while at UGA. Edwards has a much higher upside on offense if he can get that FTr up, but I don't see him becoming the defensive player Jimmy was/is.

[Note30]

I think Jimmy and Jaylen are both in the same spectrum.

Actually i was thinking how about Paul George or Kawhi? Can Edwards reach those two guys’ level. But I dont think so given how elite George and Kawhi’s defense are. And I dont think Edwards has that in him.

I think Jimmy as ideal, Jalen as realistic are the comps.

That said.. I know Jimmy is better than Ben, but the gap is not that big. And if you consider how Ben fits with KAT, Beasley and DLo. I think it’s a fair deal. And we’re evaluating Edwards at his best case and Ben not at his best case.

Ben is who he is. He's unlikely to change.

Edwards can be better than Jimmy imo. He will shoot more accurately and be able to score more.

I can see Edwards as a 25-27 ppg scorer with all the skill Jimmy has plus a 3 ball.

It's not that close if we are talking about it that way.

That’s what im saying. You’re comparing Edwards at his best case and Ben at his worst case.

What if you just value edwards and Ben both at the middle of the spectrum of cases?

You’re looking at a 20-6-4 Jaylen Brown or a 20-6-6 Jimmy and a 16-8-8 Ben Simmons? You’re sacrificing some value on edwards but benefitting a whole lot as a team in terms of fit.

Ben at his worse case seems to be his average. 15 pts, 8 reb, 8 assists, great defender. It's who he has been his whole career.

With Edwards until end of year 3 I'm treating him as best case potential no matter what because I rather bet on his potential than the consistency of Ben.

Meh, I'm not big on fit, BPA is always my view.

[BullyKing]

Ben is who he is. He's unlikely to change.

Edwards can be better than Jimmy imo. He will shoot more accurately and be able to score more.

I can see Edwards as a 25-27 ppg scorer with all the skill Jimmy has plus a 3 ball.

It's not that close if we are talking about it that way.

That’s what im saying. You’re comparing Edwards at his best case and Ben at his worst case.

What if you just value edwards and Ben both at the middle of the spectrum of cases?

You’re looking at a 20-6-4 Jaylen Brown or a 20-6-6 Jimmy and a 16-8-8 Ben Simmons? You’re sacrificing some value on edwards but benefitting a whole lot as a team in terms of fit.

Ben at his worse case seems to be his average. 15 pts, 8 reb, 8 assists, great defender. It's who he has been his whole career.

With Edwards until end of year 3 I'm treating him as best case potential no matter what because I rather bet on his potential than the consistency of Ben.

Meh, I'm not big on fit, BPA is always my view.

Think it has more to do with assuming the highest upside case for someone wearing a Minnesota uniform than it does some arbitrary end of year 3 cut off.

[Note30]

Jimmy is a weird comparison for Edwards. He's always been a dog on the defensive end and built his game up offensively into what he is today. Edwards has been whatever on defense in his first year and while at UGA. Edwards has a much higher upside on offense if he can get that FTr up, but I don't see him becoming the defensive player Jimmy was/is.

Offensively they are pretty similar. Drive into the paint with pure strength try to convert.

I can see Edwards becoming a significantly better defender than he is now. Maybe not Jimmy like but at least a Robert Covington lite defender.

[Note30]

That’s what im saying. You’re comparing Edwards at his best case and Ben at his worst case.

What if you just value edwards and Ben both at the middle of the spectrum of cases?

You’re looking at a 20-6-4 Jaylen Brown or a 20-6-6 Jimmy and a 16-8-8 Ben Simmons? You’re sacrificing some value on edwards but benefitting a whole lot as a team in terms of fit.

Ben at his worse case seems to be his average. 15 pts, 8 reb, 8 assists, great defender. It's who he has been his whole career.

With Edwards until end of year 3 I'm treating him as best case potential no matter what because I rather bet on his potential than the consistency of Ben.

Meh, I'm not big on fit, BPA is always my view.

Think it has more to do with assuming the highest upside case for someone wearing a Minnesota uniform than it does some arbitrary end of year 3 cut off.

Yeah, I agree with you, you definitely articulated it better for sure.

I'm just saying that most players you get a good understanding of who they will be after 3 years.