Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[BullyKing]

Jimmy is a weird comparison for Edwards. He's always been a dog on the defensive end and built his game up offensively into what he is today. Edwards has been whatever on defense in his first year and while at UGA. Edwards has a much higher upside on offense if he can get that FTr up, but I don't see him becoming the defensive player Jimmy was/is.

Offensively they are pretty similar. Drive into the paint with pure strength try to convert.

I can see Edwards becoming a significantly better defender than he is now. Maybe not Jimmy like but at least a Robert Covington lite defender.

But there's really no basis for believing that other than you wanting to.

[76ciology]

Ben is who he is. He's unlikely to change.

Edwards can be better than Jimmy imo. He will shoot more accurately and be able to score more.

I can see Edwards as a 25-27 ppg scorer with all the skill Jimmy has plus a 3 ball.

It's not that close if we are talking about it that way.

That’s what im saying. You’re comparing Edwards at his best case and Ben at his worst case.

What if you just value edwards and Ben both at the middle of the spectrum of cases?

You’re looking at a 20-6-4 Jaylen Brown or a 20-6-6 Jimmy and a 16-8-8 Ben Simmons? You’re sacrificing some value on edwards but benefitting a whole lot as a team in terms of fit.

Ben at his worse case seems to be his average. 15 pts, 8 reb, 8 assists, great defender. It's who he has been his whole career.

With Edwards until end of year 3 I'm treating him as best case potential no matter what because I rather bet on his potential than the consistency of Ben.

Meh, I'm not big on fit, BPA is always my view.

I think Wolves right now prioritize fit but wouldnt sacrifice a lot in talent. Which leads me to believe for quite some time already that they’d be OK with an Edwards for Ben swap.

personally I’d go heavy on BPA on top tier talents where the difference of a 9 and a 10 is more than 1.

There are some instances when value is magnifies with fit. Like when we had JJ, he’s a starter when we signed him but his impact was like a star scorer for us. So can be said with Seth.

[Note30]

Jimmy is a weird comparison for Edwards. He's always been a dog on the defensive end and built his game up offensively into what he is today. Edwards has been whatever on defense in his first year and while at UGA. Edwards has a much higher upside on offense if he can get that FTr up, but I don't see him becoming the defensive player Jimmy was/is.

Offensively they are pretty similar. Drive into the paint with pure strength try to convert.

I can see Edwards becoming a significantly better defender than he is now. Maybe not Jimmy like but at least a Robert Covington lite defender.

But there's really no basis for believing that other than you wanting to.

I mean he was playing better on ball defense as the season progressed.

He's got drive to be better.

You're right, definetly nothing statistically, but from a view of soft skills he has the right headspace.

[Negrodamus]

Jimmy is a weird comparison for Edwards. He's always been a dog on the defensive end and built his game up offensively into what he is today. Edwards has been whatever on defense in his first year and while at UGA. Edwards has a much higher upside on offense if he can get that FTr up, but I don't see him becoming the defensive player Jimmy was/is.

Offensively they are pretty similar. Drive into the paint with pure strength try to convert.

I can see Edwards becoming a significantly better defender than he is now. Maybe not Jimmy like but at least a Robert Covington lite defender.

I can't. He's supposedly on a team that's built to contend right now, KAT is the lead scorer is (theoretically) the rim protector, Okogie and Vanderbilt are defensive specialists, DLO is a distributor and creates his own offense. So it's not as if Edwards is asked to carry the team and he needs to take plays off defensively. And it's not like the team is devoid of defensive talent around him. I was hoping for more defensive acumen from him last year and it didn't really come (granted I didn't watch the majority of MIN games, especially towards the end of the year).

Don't hear me as not liking him, he's going to be an all star and 25+ ppg scorer. But I'm expecting Zach LaVine defense from him instead of Jimmy Butler.

[Negrodamus]

I think, in the end, it's going to come down to a bidding war between Cavs and T'Wolves with us trying to find a third team to take their assets.

If it's just a two team trade, however, I think the Cavs trade is of more interest (Sexton, Okoro, picks).

[76ciology]

Jimmy is a weird comparison for Edwards. He's always been a dog on the defensive end and built his game up offensively into what he is today. Edwards has been whatever on defense in his first year and while at UGA. Edwards has a much higher upside on offense if he can get that FTr up, but I don't see him becoming the defensive player Jimmy was/is.

Offensively they are pretty similar. Drive into the paint with pure strength try to convert.

I can see Edwards becoming a significantly better defender than he is now. Maybe not Jimmy like but at least a Robert Covington lite defender.

I can't. He's supposedly on a team that's built to contend right now, KAT is the lead scorer is (theoretically) the rim protector, Okogie and Vanderbilt are defensive specialists, DLO is a distributor and creates his own offense. So it's not as if Edwards is asked to carry the team and he needs to take plays off defensively. And it's not like the team is devoid of defensive talent around him. I was hoping for more defensive acumen from him last year and it didn't really come (granted I didn't watch the majority of MIN games, especially towards the end of the year).

Don't hear me as not liking him, he's going to be an all star and 25+ ppg scorer. But I'm expecting Zach LaVine defense from him instead of Jimmy Butler.

Yup. He’s got bad defensive numbers in his first year, so in his 1 year in Georgia.

Honestly, im leaning towards Morey trading Edwards than keeping him.

If I can get the Cavs to overpay for Edwards, like Sexton and a couple of lightly protected picks, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

I agree on the Zach Lavine comp. I do see that for now.

[Note30]

You know, I came to this board thinking that y'all were gonna trash me, but so far all I've seen is great input and actual great conversation. You guys are cool.

[Negrodamus]

You know, I came to this board thinking that y'all were gonna trash me, but so far all I've seen is great input and actual great conversation. You guys are cool.

Thanks, can we have Edwards now?

[76ciology]

I dont think Wolves could be a winning team with KAT, DLo and Edwards. Edwards and DLo are not that efficient on their scoring while all 3 guys are average at best on defense.

But I also dont see Morey or Doc wanting Edwards and do see Edwards getting traded on a third team.

[76ciology]

You know, I came to this board thinking that y'all were gonna trash me, but so far all I've seen is great input and actual great conversation. You guys are cool.

Now you know how much of a liar Ben Simmons is.
We’re cute and lovable fans.

[Note30]

You know, I came to this board thinking that y'all were gonna trash me, but so far all I've seen is great input and actual great conversation. You guys are cool.

Thanks, can we have Edwards now?

LOL

[Note30]

You know, I came to this board thinking that y'all were gonna trash me, but so far all I've seen is great input and actual great conversation. You guys are cool.

Now you know how much of a liar Ben Simmons is.
We’re cute and lovable fans.

Yeah, tbh I really don't want to trade for him, but I also just want a starting PF already.

[BullyKing]

:noway:

You know, I came to this board thinking that y'all were gonna trash me, but so far all I've seen is great input and actual great conversation. You guys are cool.

Now you know how much of a liar Ben Simmons is.
We’re cute and lovable fans.

Yeah, tbh I really don't want to trade for him, but I also just want a starting PF already.

Can we interest you in a Tobias Harris?

[76ciology]

:noway:

You know, I came to this board thinking that y'all were gonna trash me, but so far all I've seen is great input and actual great conversation. You guys are cool.

Now you know how much of a liar Ben Simmons is.
We’re cute and lovable fans.

Yeah, tbh I really don't want to trade for him, but I also just want a starting PF already.

Im an OG “trade Ben Simmons” guy. But I dont think he’s that bad and do think he can be better playing on a team like the Wolves.

Even those who wants to trade him do share the same sentiment, and you can check probably a couple page back where we were talking how good the Wolves could be with Dlo, Beasley & KAT.

Doesnt look much. But it could change the direction of your team and eventually you could upgrade for a better guard than Dlo by trading DLo and picks.

[Note30]

:noway:

Now you know how much of a liar Ben Simmons is.
We’re cute and lovable fans.

Yeah, tbh I really don't want to trade for him, but I also just want a starting PF already.

Can we interest you in a Tobias Harris?

Starting defensive PF*

[76ciology]

:noway:

Now you know how much of a liar Ben Simmons is.
We’re cute and lovable fans.

Yeah, tbh I really don't want to trade for him, but I also just want a starting PF already.

Can we interest you in a Tobias Harris?

Hmm…

The more i think of it.. what makes you say Edwards is better than Tobi?

Tobi is a lot more efficient scorer and is a better defensive player.

[Negrodamus]

:noway:

Yeah, tbh I really don't want to trade for him, but I also just want a starting PF already.

Can we interest you in a Tobias Harris?

Starting defensive PF*

Just use Vanderbilt, he's a self aware Ben Simmons with glass ankles.

[Negrodamus]

Read on Twitter

Not to make this political, but I think I'm out on Beal, lol. Just say you don't understand how the vaccine works.

[76ciology]

:noway:

Yeah, tbh I really don't want to trade for him, but I also just want a starting PF already.

Can we interest you in a Tobias Harris?

Starting defensive PF*

Have you guys try to explore trading for Siakam? He’s another guy who’d be a good compliment for KAT

[FireMorey]

Read on Twitter

Not to make this political, but I think I'm out on Beal, lol. Just say you don't understand how the vaccine works.

His logic is dumb, but he's gotten COVID and recovered, so it's highly likely he has more and stronger antibodies than vaccinated folk who've never gotten COVID. If the most recent studies are any indication.