2021-22 Dynasty Season

[8on]

Can we trade future picks in this league? If so, how far in advance?

[sunskerr]

Can we trade future picks in this league? If so, how far in advance?

Im checking with the last commish on that (MathiasPW).

[bwgood77]

Can we trade future picks in this league? If so, how far in advance?

Im checking with the last commish on that (MathiasPW).

I don't see any reason we couldn't, but honestly I don't see that they will hold much value...people will likely not look that far in advance, particularly when they don't know how good a team will be....since only the first 5-7 picks, good draft guys are valuable, particularly probably the top few...outside of that trading a future second rounder is like trading a 10th round pick in a 16 team league which is almost valueless.

Trading a first round pick is complicated and forces a team to only have 7 keepers and a year out they may have players emerge and really screw themselves not only losing their pick but having to not protect someone who has emerged.

In fact, we should maybe rule out trading firsts.

[wheezy]

Trading a 1st seems fine (rule wise). The stipulation there is obviously that the person trading it away is also only keeping 7 players at that point. If someone wants to take that risk because they feel the return is that good then that should be up to them.

Side note, if we start making rules like that can we start naming them after owners, kind of like the Stepien rule?

[wheezy]

Is it not possible to set keepers in yahoo right now? I'm probably keeping 8 but still trying to figure out who and which of the players I've taken in boneheaded trades I'm going to leave on the cutting room floor.

Edit: just saw they added the keeper tab so nevermind!

[sunskerr]

Can we trade future picks in this league? If so, how far in advance?

Im checking with the last commish on that (MathiasPW).

I don't see any reason we couldn't, but honestly I don't see that they will hold much value...people will likely not look that far in advance, particularly when they don't know how good a team will be....since only the first 5-7 picks, good draft guys are valuable, particularly probably the top few...outside of that trading a future second rounder is like trading a 10th round pick in a 16 team league which is almost valueless.

Trading a first round pick is complicated and forces a team to only have 7 keepers and a year out they may have players emerge and really screw themselves not only losing their pick but having to not protect someone who has emerged.

In fact, we should maybe rule out trading firsts.

I agree that a person should be able to trade future firsts. Correct me if I’m wrong but yahoo might also already allow it.

Trading a 1st seems fine (rule wise). The stipulation there is obviously that the person trading it away is also only keeping 7 players at that point. If someone wants to take that risk because they feel the return is that good then that should be up to them.

Side note, if we start making rules like that can we start naming them after owners, kind of like the Stepien rule?

I actually do want to do away with that rule. I think it’s bad to penalize someone for making a trade, and it’s not good for the league because we want to see trades get done that benefit both teams.

It’s more of an implied rule/logical conclusion, but one that I think hurts the league as a whole and doesn’t really benefit anyone.

[bigfoot]

One thing to consider about trading future picks ... what happens if a manager trades away a pick(s) and then drops out of the league. That situation has some problems that need to be addressed.

[bwgood77]

One thing to consider about trading future picks ... what happens if a manager trades away a pick(s) and then drops out of the league. That situation has some problems that need to be addressed.

All of that just transfers. If we have more than one team drop out and another auction, then whoever ends up with the most players from each team gets that team and whatever comes with it.

Ultimately, picks have little value outside of the top 5 or so. And a team would never know that they are trading for a top 10, let alone a top 5 pick if you are trading for a future pick....if a team is really really bad it is unlikely to trade their first that season barring they get a star.

So I don't think too much comes of it.

If we all only had like 3 keepers picks would be far far more valuable and I think we'd have to give this sort of stuff more thought.

With our depth and # of keepers, outside of top pick, you won't be drafting any top 120 players or so...and after the first round it will be players outside of the top 140.

[bigfoot]

One thing to consider about trading future picks ... what happens if a manager trades away a pick(s) and then drops out of the league. That situation has some problems that need to be addressed.

All of that just transfers. If we have more than one team drop out and another auction, then whoever ends up with the most players from each team gets that team and whatever comes with it.

Ultimately, picks have little value outside of the top 5 or so. And a team would never know that they are trading for a top 10, let alone a top 5 pick if you are trading for a future pick....if a team is really really bad it is unlikely to trade their first that season barring they get a star.

So I don't think too much comes of it.

If we all only had like 3 keepers picks would be far far more valuable and I think we'd have to give this sort of stuff more thought.

With our depth and # of keepers, outside of top pick, you won't be drafting any top 120 players or so...and after the first round it will be players outside of the top 140.

So it would be okay for a new manager to inherit a team that gave away four future draft. Why would someone want to join a league like that?

So for example, suppose I offered Kerrsed this trade and he accepted ... LeBron for Tyler Herro, Keldon Johnson, 2 future 1sts, 1 future 2nd, and 1 future third. Let say those picks start being exchanged three years into the future. Obviously being in a win-now mode I would need to keep my near-term firsts so I can retain my top eight. I compete for a chip for two seasons before LeBron, Durant, and Curry age out. Then I decide, nah, I don't really want to go through the rebuild process or I am bored or I don't have time to manage the team and drop out. Seems unfair that the inheriting manager would suffer by losing that many draft picks.

[bwgood77]

One thing to consider about trading future picks ... what happens if a manager trades away a pick(s) and then drops out of the league. That situation has some problems that need to be addressed.

All of that just transfers. If we have more than one team drop out and another auction, then whoever ends up with the most players from each team gets that team and whatever comes with it.

Ultimately, picks have little value outside of the top 5 or so. And a team would never know that they are trading for a top 10, let alone a top 5 pick if you are trading for a future pick....if a team is really really bad it is unlikely to trade their first that season barring they get a star.

So I don't think too much comes of it.

If we all only had like 3 keepers picks would be far far more valuable and I think we'd have to give this sort of stuff more thought.

With our depth and # of keepers, outside of top pick, you won't be drafting any top 120 players or so...and after the first round it will be players outside of the top 140.

So it would be okay for a new manager to inherit a team that gave away four future draft. Why would someone want to join a league like that?
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So for example, suppose I offered Kerrsed this trade and he accepted ... LeBron for Tyler Herro, Keldon Johnson, 2 future 1sts, 1 future 2nd, and 1 future third. Let say those picks start being exchanged three years into the future. Obviously being in a win-now mode I would need to keep my near-term firsts so I can retain my top eight. I compete for a chip for two seasons before LeBron, Durant, and Curry age out. Then I decide, nah, I don't really want to go through the rebuild process or I am bored or I don't have time to manage the team and drop out. Seems unfair that the inheriting manager would suffer by losing that many draft picks.

Well I don't expect to see trades like that and it is one of the reasons I didn't think trading firsts was a good idea anyway. Not only does the manager taking over a team not have his firsts but can't even keep 8 players if he does happen to build a decent squad picking up players.

Anyway I feel ya, I inherited a fantasy team in a 20 team NFL keeper league (4 players) the year after Manning retired who had been his primary keepers and the other 3 keepers were old players who quickly regressed along with a regressing defense (AJ Green, Greg Olsen, Seahawks defense).

They don't even have a reverse order in the draft for standings either...it's just a lottery every year. So even though I took over this team with nothing when draft picks are not worth anything unless you get like a top 4 pick, you don't even necessarily get a high pick even if you finish last.

But yeah, don't trade a bunch of firsts to Kerrsed for Paul and LeBron to add to your aging core so you can win now and then quit the league in a few years.

[bigfoot]

Definite Keepers

Durant
Steph Curry
Michael Porter Jr
Gordon Hayward
LaMelo Ball

Some players who may drop into the free-agent pool

Robert Covington
Mike Conley
Thaddeus Young
Kelly Olynyk
Tyler Herro
Keldon Johnson

If you want to upgrade your existing keepers with one or more of them let me know soon. As bwgood indicated, the best players in the FA pool are usually gone within the first round.

I'm looking for pick swaps and nothing but a throw-in player from your team. More than likely I would be happy with 2nd and/or 3rd round swaps. Certainly not expecting to get a 1st round pick. Send me a PM with your ideas. Thanks.

[sunskerr]

Looking to move up to maybe mid 1st round in the draft, or acquire a SF/PF/C with a little more rebounding and/or shot blocking.

On the block:
Brandon Ingram
Kevin Porter Jr.
Chris Boucher
Draft picks 1.16, 2.7, 2.16, 4.16

[Kyler Murray]

Looking to move a big in Wood, Nurkic, Bryant and/or Oubre. Can do a 2 for 1 if you're short on keepers.
Picks available, 3.01, 3.11, 4.01, 4.12

[WeekapaugGroove]

Put my keepers in Yahoo but just in case:

Keeping
Giannis
Embiid
Brogdon
Mccolum
PJ Washington
DeAndre Hunter
Isaac
Draymond Green

Note: I'm open to trading a F for a G for roster balancing purposes if anyone is looking to deal.

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[Slim Charless]

Waiting till I'm added into the league page but just to put it out there:

James Harden
Jimmy Butler
Vuc
Tobias Harris
Jordan Clarkson
Joe Harris
Devonte' Graham (last second change, Sunskerr thanks)

Also open to trades.

[sunskerr]

Waiting till I'm added into the league page but just to put it out there:

James Harden
Jimmy Butler
Vuc
Tobias Harris
Jordan Clarkson
Joe Harris
Devonte' Graham (last second change, Sunskerr thanks)

Also open to trades.

It says you are already in ownership of MathiasPW's team. For your team and 8ons I'll go in and change your rosters to your keepers.

edit: 8ons and Slim Charless rosters have been updated on yahoo. lmk if I made any incorrect changes. You should be able to set your players as keepers now.

[bigfoot]

Definite Keepers

Durant
Steph Curry
Michael Porter Jr
Gordon Hayward
LaMelo Ball

Some players who may drop into the free-agent pool

Robert Covington
Mike Conley
Thaddeus Young
Kelly Olynyk
Tyler Herro
Keldon Johnson

If you want to upgrade your existing keepers with one or more of them let me know soon. As bwgood indicated, the best players in the FA pool are usually gone within the first round.

I'm looking for pick swaps and nothing but a throw-in player from your team. More than likely I would be happy with 2nd and/or 3rd round swaps. Certainly not expecting to get a 1st round pick. Send me a PM with your ideas. Thanks.

Bumping this as we are closing in on the Oct 1 keeper deadline. I assume after that date all non-keepers drop into the draft pool. Let me know if you have any interest in these players.

As a side note, have we confirmed all the dynasty managers??? Do we have a commish?

[wheezy]

I think everyone is either confirmed or has dropped out and already replaced by the 2 new managers. Seems sunskerr is running the show aka commish this season (thanks again)

[bwgood77]

Looking to move a big in Wood, Nurkic, Bryant and/or Oubre. Can do a 2 for 1 if you're short on keepers.
Picks available, 3.01, 3.11, 4.01, 4.12

Anything in particular you are looking for?

[sunskerr]

Yeah, I've taken over for this year.

from yahoo:

Your commissioner has set Friday, October 1, 2021, as your league's deadline for declaring your keepers. You can make and edit your selections until 11:59pm PT on Thursday, September 30, 2021.

urging everyone to get their keepers in. please let me know if you have already submitted keepers on yahoo. you can see the list of managers whom I've confirmed have submitted keepers on the first page of this thread.