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[Ballerhogger]

Rumored offers so far.

*McCollum, Covington & pick(s)
*Brogdon, Warren & pick(s)
*D. Murray, L. Walker, T. Young & pick(s)
*Beasley, McDaniels, Beverly & pick(s)
*Sexton, Love, Osman & pick(s)
*Hield, Bagley & pick(s)

Not including Houston or Denver since neither seems realistic. Any offer or player I'm missing?

that sums it up for morey

Are any of these rumored? Or are they just speculation?

Maybe I’ve missed something, but the only one I saw from a source with any access to an actual front office was Brogdan and a pick, and that was over a month ago.

Thats why I said this sums it up for morey , weve seen hundreds of proposals being thrown out. At least 300 posts about this topic. If there a offer morey thinking he can get thats better than these offers . Id love to see it. These trades get talked about the most.

[Mykhyn]

Kyrie Irving for Ben Simmons

Who says no?

[Ruzious]

Kyrie Irving for Ben Simmons

Who says no?

Durant.

[Ballerhogger]

Kyrie Irving for Ben Simmons

Who says no?

Durant.

maybe with this whole not getting vaxxed thing he has change of heart.

[toooskies]

You are ignoring CLE getting rid of KLove and getting real players. A $31 million dollar hole kills - turning it into usable players helps. CLE could get Simmons - if they are willing to part with more picks. But, taking Simmons costs and moving KLove costs (cheaper to move part of KLove by taking back Gordon but no $$ room if bringing in Simmons). PHI is too close to a ring to take KLove so have to pay someone to take him - the only team that can is OKC. Hou can only IF someone takes Gordon.
could be: CLE get Simmons, SAC gets EGordon; PHI get picks, Hield, Sexton + House; HOU gets KLove and picks; CLE would have to give multiple firsts to PHI and several 2nds to HOU. OR - SAC gets Favors, OKC gets KLove and pick, PHI gets Hield, Sexton and picks.

SAC may want to dump Hield and Bagley - but they have value. Hield was good enough to get paid and is still a 40% shooter from three which would be perfect in PHI. Bagley was the 2nd pick for a reason - just not showing it in SAC. Sexton could be an alternative scorer as needed. I think PHI gets value - but could add another 1st from SAC if needed.

The only real problem that Love's salary creates before it expires is that they'll have trouble paying Sexton if he earns the max this year, so there's no point in the Cavs trading Love if they don't keep Sexton or get something meaningful in return.

And for the Cavs, these aren't really meaningful players. Gordon may be washed any year now, Bagley doesn't really have a spot in the rotation, Augustin is behind Garland and Rubio.

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Let's just cut SAC out and see what it looks like. You can probably cut it into two distinct deals: ​
HOU gets KLove, 2022 SAS 2nd, 2022 HOU 2nd, 2025 CLE 2nd
CLE gets Gordon, Augustin, House

CLE gets Simmons
PHI gets Sexton, Rubio, Osman, Cleveland 2022 1st (lightly protected)

You can make it a 3-way to send House to PHI instead of Osman in the original deal (or nothing, if Philly tries to get out from under the tax).

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Cavs get Simmons here for Rubio, one of Osman/House/tax-relief, three 2nds and a 1st (compared to the original) by cutting SAC out. They absolutely do this.

Cleveland has Garland/Gordon/Simmons/Mobley/Allen, with Augustin/Okoro/House-or-Osman/Markkanen/Kabengele backing them, with Pangos/Valentine/Windler/Wade/Fall as reasonable injury insurance. That team might make the playoffs if the young guys continue to make progress and Gordon has something left in the tank. No salary spike next year from Sexton, and Gordon expires when Garland is due a raise.

Houston gets better and earlier 2nds than including SAC, including their own as they tank this year. Porter/Green/Tate/Love/Wood, with Thomas/Christopher/Nwaba/Garuba/Sengun off the bench. Maybe House too.

Philly gets Sexton and House-or-Osman-or-tax-relief still; they get Rubio instead of Hield, which is probably better value, and he can actually replace Simmons as the PG; and probably a better pick. Rubio/Sexton/Green/Harris/Embiid with Maxey/Curry/Milton/Korkmaz/Thybulle/House-Or-Osman?/Niang/Drummond all as good rotation players available off the bench. (Cleveland or Houston might include a 2nd for Milton if Philly has too many guards here.) Either Rubio or Sexton can move to the bench for Curry.

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Looks good for Cleveland. It isn't bad for Philly. Houston probably wants more than 2nds.

[Mykhyn]

Kyrie Irving for Ben Simmons

Who says no?

Durant.

maybe with this whole not getting vaxxed thing he has change of heart.

I mean Kyrie was a decision made before Harden. Simmons is a better fit for KD and Harden than Kyrie

[Ballerhogger]

Durant.

maybe with this whole not getting vaxxed thing he has change of heart.

I mean Kyrie was a decision made before Harden. Simmons is a better fit for KD and Harden than Kyrie

yea but given the circumstance you trade kyrie for ben any day before giving them harden

[zimpy27]

PHI give Simmons, Milton, Reed
PHI get CJ, DFS, POR22FRP
CJ, Thybulle, DFS, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Curry, Green, Korkmaz, Drummond

POR give CJ, Nurkic, POR22FRP
POR get Simmons, Boucher, Milton
Lillard, Powell, Covington, Simmons, Boucher -- Simons, Milton, Snell, Nance, Zeller

DAL give DFS, Powell, Green
DAL get Dragic, Reed, TOR22SRP
Dragic, THJ, Doncic, Reed, Porzingis -- Brunson, Ntilikina, Bullock, Kleber, WCS

TOR give Boucher, Dragic, TOR22SRP
TOR get Nurkic, Powell, Green
FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam, Nurkic -- Flynn, Green, Barnes, Achiuwa, Powell

[Texas Chuck]

PHI give Simmons, Milton, Reed
PHI get CJ, DFS, POR22FRP
CJ, Thybulle, DFS, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Curry, Green, Korkmaz, Drummond

POR give CJ, Nurkic, POR22FRP
POR get Simmons, Boucher, Milton
Lillard, Powell, Covington, Simmons, Boucher -- Simons, Milton, Snell, Nance, Zeller

DAL give DFS, Powell, Green
DAL get Dragic, Reed, TOR22SRP
Dragic, THJ, Doncic, Reed, Porzingis -- Brunson, Ntilikina, Bullock, Kleber, WCS

TOR give Boucher, Dragic, TOR22SRP
TOR get Nurkic, Powell, Green
FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam, Nurkic -- Flynn, Green, Barnes, Achiuwa, Powell

Can't imagine Dallas uses DFS and Green just to clear Dwight Powell's last year since they both like him and with Luka's supermax they are done with cap space for the next 3 years at least.

[zimpy27]

PHI give Simmons, Milton, Reed
PHI get CJ, DFS, POR22FRP
CJ, Thybulle, DFS, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Curry, Green, Korkmaz, Drummond

POR give CJ, Nurkic, POR22FRP
POR get Simmons, Boucher, Milton
Lillard, Powell, Covington, Simmons, Boucher -- Simons, Milton, Snell, Nance, Zeller

DAL give DFS, Powell, Green
DAL get Dragic, Reed, TOR22SRP
Dragic, THJ, Doncic, Reed, Porzingis -- Brunson, Ntilikina, Bullock, Kleber, WCS

TOR give Boucher, Dragic, TOR22SRP
TOR get Nurkic, Powell, Green
FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam, Nurkic -- Flynn, Green, Barnes, Achiuwa, Powell

Can't imagine Dallas uses DFS and Green just to clear Dwight Powell's last year since they both like him and with Luka's supermax they are done with cap space for the next 3 years at least.

Yeah if it was that alone but this was about getting Paul Reed as a long-term pairing for Porzingis. I think they would be a great fit together and he's young (locked up for 2 more seasons). I had DFS for Reed+SRP and then I had Dragic for Powell+Green.

Do you like the Reed fit with Dallas? What do you think he might be worth?

A follow up trade of WCS and that SRP was likely going to get Kenrich Williams to help plug some of the hole that DFS leaves.

[Pipp33]

Durant.

maybe with this whole not getting vaxxed thing he has change of heart.

I mean Kyrie was a decision made before Harden. Simmons is a better fit for KD and Harden than Kyrie

Simmons playing with Durant and Harden is a better lineup than with Kyrie, IMO.
Kyrie and Embiid would also be a good fit

Can't see it happening, but makes sense for both teams IMO.

[Ballerhogger]

PHI give Simmons, Milton, Reed
PHI get CJ, DFS, POR22FRP
CJ, Thybulle, DFS, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Curry, Green, Korkmaz, Drummond

POR give CJ, Nurkic, POR22FRP
POR get Simmons, Boucher, Milton
Lillard, Powell, Covington, Simmons, Boucher -- Simons, Milton, Snell, Nance, Zeller

DAL give DFS, Powell, Green
DAL get Dragic, Reed, TOR22SRP
Dragic, THJ, Doncic, Reed, Porzingis -- Brunson, Ntilikina, Bullock, Kleber, WCS

TOR give Boucher, Dragic, TOR22SRP
TOR get Nurkic, Powell, Green
FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam, Nurkic -- Flynn, Green, Barnes, Achiuwa, Powell

dont seem them giving up DFS. Dallas walks out of this deal is there another team you could plug in SAS?

[cool93]

Beasley is an efficient "20ppg" guy on a team with multiple offensive weapons, I don't think the disparity is as wide as you make it. What would Beasley do as a second option, not 4th? And the guy makes half of CJ... Yes CJ is a creative 3 level scorer and that is of value, but he might decline any moment and his contract is unfavorable. If a team wants flexibility you wouldn't need to twist their arm to value Beasley more than assume the contract and possible drop in production.

As for needing to compare players of similar talent, if one offers flexibility and the other doesn't, the player who provides it would be worth significantly more. So, comparing players with pros and cons is where the debate lies, it is more holistic. And you end up with valuations that could go either way.

He won’t see the point. Wasting your words.

IDK, we will see if he goes out of his way to respond again with vacuum logic. To his credit he didn't after I broke it down this time.

I mean, I see no point in continuing. Beasley is as much of a "scorer" as Hield. He is an elite shooter, but there is a HUGE difference between that type and actual shot creator and playmaker which is CJ. It's painfully obvious that this opinion is shared only by some of Wolves fans. The vast majority of neutral fans wouldn't even mention rhose players in the sme breath. Especially considering that Beasley value 100% is hurt by his offcourt issues.
I guarantee you, if we created a poll - CJ would win BY A MILE.

[Ballerhogger]

He won’t see the point. Wasting your words.

IDK, we will see if he goes out of his way to respond again with vacuum logic. To his credit he didn't after I broke it down this time.

I mean, I see no point in continuing. Beasley is as much of a "scorer" as Hield. He is an elite shooter, but there is a HUGE difference between that type and actual shot creator and playmaker which is CJ. It's painfully obvious that this opinion is shared only by some of Wolves fans. The vast majority of neutral fans wouldn't even mention rhose players in the sme breath. Especially considering that Beasley value 100% is hurt by his offcourt issues.
I guarantee you, if we created a poll - CJ would win BY A MILE.

Agreed CJ is much more preferable if you can get him. Wolves are heavily linked with their new President . If you cant get deal with POR do you take a Beasley offer?

[SO_MONEY]

He won’t see the point. Wasting your words.

IDK, we will see if he goes out of his way to respond again with vacuum logic. To his credit he didn't after I broke it down this time.

I mean, I see no point in continuing. Beasley is as much of a "scorer" as Hield. He is an elite shooter, but there is a HUGE difference between that type and actual shot creator and playmaker which is CJ. It's painfully obvious that this opinion is shared only by some of Wolves fans. The vast majority of neutral fans wouldn't even mention rhose players in the sme breath. Especially considering that Beasley value 100% is hurt by his offcourt issues.
I guarantee you, if we created a poll - CJ would win BY A MILE.

A poll isn't going to address the point being made. Every team is different, it is not one size fits all. I already said this...I don't get why you come back to it. You are living in a vacuum.

MN would absolutely rather have Beasley, you should understand this is in fact almost certainly true. So if MN would rather have him it would stand to reason other teams might want him as well. I don't know enough about all the teams to say what is what, but I can tell you MN wouldn't want CJ's contract at his age and would opt to have the flexibility and a young quality player on a good contract which would allow for things with roster construction. What does that say about CJ? I don't know but it kind of says something... doesn't it? Maybe that CJ doesn't have a high demand across ALL teams. Similar to Simmons really. Similar to a ton of players.

[cool93]

IDK, we will see if he goes out of his way to respond again with vacuum logic. To his credit he didn't after I broke it down this time.

I mean, I see no point in continuing. Beasley is as much of a "scorer" as Hield. He is an elite shooter, but there is a HUGE difference between that type and actual shot creator and playmaker which is CJ. It's painfully obvious that this opinion is shared only by some of Wolves fans. The vast majority of neutral fans wouldn't even mention rhose players in the sme breath. Especially considering that Beasley value 100% is hurt by his offcourt issues.
I guarantee you, if we created a poll - CJ would win BY A MILE.

Agreed CJ is much more preferable if you can get him. Wolves are heavily linked with their new President . If you cant get deal with POR do you take a Beasley offer?

Of course not. The offer mentioned was something like Beasley+filler+pick. That's atrocious. Sixers already had a lot better offers and I am pretty sure better offers will be there come deadline.
Thats a troll offer, nothing more.
If Wolves want to get Simmons for fillers, they would need to add multiple picks.

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[GutUNC]

that sums it up for morey

Are any of these rumored? Or are they just speculation?

Maybe I’ve missed something, but the only one I saw from a source with any access to an actual front office was Brogdan and a pick, and that was over a month ago.

Thats why I said this sums it up for morey , weve seen hundreds of proposals being thrown out. At least 300 posts about this topic. If there a offer morey thinking he can get thats better than these offers . Id love to see it. These trades get talked about the most.

So you still don't realize that what's talked about on this website doesn't effect what's actually being discussed?

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I think the main issue would be that you can't play Curry or Maxey with CJ and expect not to get crushed defensively.

I think the hold up is the second piece.
I expect blazers want to move CJ+Nurkic for Simmons+stretch5.
I expect Philly want to move Simmons+Curry for CJ+Wing

Portland's offense is predicated on the 1-5 pick-and-roll and Jusuf Nurkic is one of the best screen setters in the NBA. Billups has also indicated he will have a more prominent role in the Blazers offense so I highly doubt Nurk would be added to a Simmons deal.

How does Simmons fit into a Dame-Nurk offense?
If you take Simmons then that's going to have to change and he won't fit with Nurkic.

I'm not convinced they wont fit, Nurkic has gotten better at shooting the last 3 years so even if he regresses a little I think a coach can make it work.

Simmons is not really an interior defender and not someone I want playing center a ton and Nurkic has a huge effect on our teams defense while being one of the best screen setters.

It's definitely not something that is so obviously flawed as to not even be worth seeing how it works, I think it could be fine and Simmons could actually help Nurkic get some more easy buckets, which would be fantastic.

[giannis and 1]

Rumored offers so far.

*McCollum, Covington & pick(s)
*Brogdon, Warren & pick(s)
*D. Murray, L. Walker, T. Young & pick(s)
*Beasley, McDaniels, Beverly & pick(s)
*Sexton, Love, Osman & pick(s)
*Hield, Bagley & pick(s)

Not including Houston or Denver since neither seems realistic. Any offer or player I'm missing?

If Philly can get that Pacers or Spurs package, the deal should be done. I doubt those teams are actually offering all that.

[LarsV8]

To Houston
Evan Mobley
Kevin Love

To Cleveland
Ben Simmons
Seth Curry

To Philly
Ricky Rubio
Eric Gordon
Christian Wood
2022 Brooklyn #1 (or Miami's if lower top 14 protection)
2023 Milwaukee #1 Unprotected
2027 Brooklyn #1 Unprotected

Houston adds a blue chip prospect, while keeping their tank / capspace timeline.

Cleveland gets Simmons, who actually fits with Sexton, Garland and Allen

Philly gets a competitive starting five that actually fits and has some good assets if another star level players becomes available.