Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Mik317]

Harden would have died of cheesesteak overdose here

so there

(this is how I cope)

[Stanford]

I wonder how hard Brand would have gone after Harden

[Rastas]

Oh boy, now Ben is starting to try to change the narrative. It's always someone else, not him.

https://theathletic.com/2854156/2021/09/28/ben-simmons-believes-playing-with-joel-embiid-has-run-its-course-and-sixers-media-day-messages-fall-flat-with-him/?source=twitterhq

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Simmons was so convinced that new Sixers president Daryl Morey was about to reunite with his favorite franchise player that he started researching on the real estate front. If you had to pinpoint a moment when emotional ties were severed between Simmons and the only NBA franchise he has ever known, that may have been it.

Sorry people who still believe that the Rockets didn't back out at the last minute.

“I watched last night a player lead their team to victory where a thousand pounds of digital ink were spilled on how much he would never play for that team again,” Morey had said of the Green Bay Packers star who led a last-second win over the San Francisco 49ers on Sunday night after looking destined for a divorce with the franchise just months ago. “Look, every situation is different, but we have a lot of optimism that we can make it work here. …Ben’s a great player, and we expect him back. We expect him to be a 76er.”

Cue the response.

“It’s total bull,” one source with knowledge of Simmons’ outlook said of Morey’s analysis.

Yet of all the problem areas to explore, there’s none more unyielding and impossible to ignore than this: People who have intimate knowledge of how he sees this situation continue to insist that he’s done playing with Embiid. There’s nothing personal about this choice, it seems, but the 25-year-old Simmons has clearly decided that his career is better off without Embiid blocking the runways in the paint that he so badly needs to succeed.

As he sees it, sources say, the organization’s choice to build its basketball ecosystem around Embiid’s style simply isn’t conducive to the way he needs to play. So while Embiid insisted to reporters on Monday that he wants Simmons back, this much is clear: The feeling is not mutual.

“It has run its course,” the source said of their pairing.

Truth be told, sources say Simmons thought he would have been traded by now.

When he met with the Sixers brass at the Los Angeles home of his agent, Rich Paul, in August, telling managing partner Josh Harris in direct fashion that he no longer wanted to play for his club, the goal was to avoid this sort of mess. Sources say the Sixers had come equipped with all sorts of reasons that he should want to stay, and even supported the argument with a statistically based presentation featuring the success of the Embiid-Simmons pairing. But his view, his uneasy feelings about the problematic fit remained unchanged.

Either way, the claim from the Simmons side is that there is no coming back from this. Even if he returned to avoid the stiff penalties, sources close to Simmons say the notion that he would up his trade value by re-engaging mentally and playing well enough to convince suitors that he might be willing to stay is, well, just that. Delusional.

[Eyeamok]

Oh boy, now Ben is starting to try to change the narrative. It's always someone else, not him.

https://theathletic.com/2854156/2021/09/28/ben-simmons-believes-playing-with-joel-embiid-has-run-its-course-and-sixers-media-day-messages-fall-flat-with-him/?source=twitterhq

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Simmons was so convinced that new Sixers president Daryl Morey was about to reunite with his favorite franchise player that he started researching on the real estate front. If you had to pinpoint a moment when emotional ties were severed between Simmons and the only NBA franchise he has ever known, that may have been it.

Sorry people who still believe that the Rockets didn't back out at the last minute.

“I watched last night a player lead their team to victory where a thousand pounds of digital ink were spilled on how much he would never play for that team again,” Morey had said of the Green Bay Packers star who led a last-second win over the San Francisco 49ers on Sunday night after looking destined for a divorce with the franchise just months ago. “Look, every situation is different, but we have a lot of optimism that we can make it work here. …Ben’s a great player, and we expect him back. We expect him to be a 76er.”

Cue the response.

“It’s total bull,” one source with knowledge of Simmons’ outlook said of Morey’s analysis.

Yet of all the problem areas to explore, there’s none more unyielding and impossible to ignore than this: People who have intimate knowledge of how he sees this situation continue to insist that he’s done playing with Embiid. There’s nothing personal about this choice, it seems, but the 25-year-old Simmons has clearly decided that his career is better off without Embiid blocking the runways in the paint that he so badly needs to succeed.

As he sees it, sources say, the organization’s choice to build its basketball ecosystem around Embiid’s style simply isn’t conducive to the way he needs to play. So while Embiid insisted to reporters on Monday that he wants Simmons back, this much is clear: The feeling is not mutual.

“It has run its course,” the source said of their pairing.

Truth be told, sources say Simmons thought he would have been traded by now.

When he met with the Sixers brass at the Los Angeles home of his agent, Rich Paul, in August, telling managing partner Josh Harris in direct fashion that he no longer wanted to play for his club, the goal was to avoid this sort of mess. Sources say the Sixers had come equipped with all sorts of reasons that he should want to stay, and even supported the argument with a statistically based presentation featuring the success of the Embiid-Simmons pairing. But his view, his uneasy feelings about the problematic fit remained unchanged.

Either way, the claim from the Simmons side is that there is no coming back from this. Even if he returned to avoid the stiff penalties, sources close to Simmons say the notion that he would up his trade value by re-engaging mentally and playing well enough to convince suitors that he might be willing to stay is, well, just that. Delusional.

Morey was right. And I have a hard time believing Ben Simmons or his camp now are trying to switch the blame.



Aaron Rodgers doesn't want to return to Green Bay Packers, sources say
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31359453/aaron-rodgers-want-return-green-bay-packers-sources-say

Top Insider Hearing Aaron Rodgers “Not Coming Back” To Green Bay
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/top-insider-hearing-aaron-rodgers-not-coming-back-to-green-bay/

[Negrodamus]

I wonder how hard Brand would have gone after Harden

Traded Embiid.

[Ballerhogger]

Harden would have died of cheesesteak overdose here

so there

(this is how I cope)

What about theme philly clubs ?!

[Eyeamok]

I wonder how hard Brand would have gone after Harden

Traded Embiid.

Then Ben would finally have the team he wants without anyone clogging up his paint and holding him back.

[DCasey91]

Josh Harris to Ben: “Tough ti**ties Ben shut up and play I’m the big boss man, you got 4 years here learn how to shoot goddamn it.”

Josh Harris to the shareholders: “I’m going to make him an offer he can’t refuse.”

Josh Harris to Rich Paul: “Put Dead Horse in the bed... Rich Paul was never seen in NBA circles again.”

Josh Harris to Morey: “Now for that pri*k Ferttita screwing us over at the last second. Do your worst NerdMaster.”

I dunno our owner is a pu**y though lol

[Mik317]

Harris is more likely to force a trade through to end the bad press than anything.

Especially if he ends up in the crosshairs next.

[Rastas]

Disagree. Philly fans aren't a singular voice when it comes to Ben. Collapsing in the playoffs, demanding a trade, shutting off communication, blaming the fans, not reporting to camp, refusing to meet with teammates, etc. Klutch is just using the Philly fan stigmata as a desperate scapegoat to deflect away from Ben's inadequacies. It's a load of absurdity and most who think for themselves aren't buying into it.

Hoops fans nationwide widely agree there's no defending his off-season antics. His criticism is justified and we as sixer fans have every right to be disappointed.

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Aahh Yes - The Pack Mentality of Hating is strong on RealGM going by just how many Ben threads on the Main Board this offseason.
And yet not one offical word out of Ben's mouth has been recorded to react over - just a bunch of he said she said Click Bait to Stir the Masses.
You guy's can continue to be disappointed in Ben's performances - that's fair - but from Ben's point of view it was a building up of frustration on how he was being told to play that has led to where we are now.
That and his Off Court Family issues led to what we saw in Hawks Playoffs.

1. How do you know this is Ben’s POI? Are you his mind?

2. He seemed to do fine before the Hawks Series. Players have serious issues they take time off. That is a private matter no one knows besides his own family/friends.

3. I just want to see if we can make it to part VI. But thanks for contributing in possibly getting there

Your welcome , I also hope to keep this going at least until the Games start - most least boring offseason ever.

[Bum Adebayo]

Ben Simmons signed a 5-year 177M extension to play with Sixers for the duration of the contract. If he didn't want to play with Sixers anymore or play with Embiid anymore, then he could've turned down the extension and just sign the 1-year qualifying offer or something else (I'm not an expert at this). He had the choice, he just wanted the money more, which is fine, but then you have no right to complain about it, you chose it, end of story. There is no way forcing a trade is ok, no matter the circumstance.

[Mik317]

I get wanting a new start, avoiding the fans, and wanting out after that finish.

Like yeah him owning up to his issues; improving and all that would also help but I can't blame a guy for wanting the "easier" option as a big piece of **** myself lol.

I just question his method for getting there is all. While not everyone was on Harden or ADs side of things for their break ups; they were already established and their situations had capped out. Ben isn't that. And Klutch's attempts to gain sympathy have not worked out at all IMO. The only people I see buying it are those already on Ben's side or those who hate the Sixers.... He comes off bad in every single report and I don't think that helps his easy out plan at all lol. He will probably play well were ever he goes but unless he comes out of his shell...its going to be rough out there when the difficult things start. Like w/ GS out of the running, the Wolves are really his best landing spot due to Towns and a lesser extent Dlo/Edwards but he is in for a rude awakening anywhere else and a lot of people are going to be at his head the moment things don't go well.

All he had to do was say " I think I need a fresh start so I can figure things out" and people would have been on his side a bit more. Especially if he leaned into the mental health aspects of things. Blaming everyone else for his struggles isn't doing that IMO.

But again that is more to put pressure on the FO to make a move asap than anything. Basically "this situation is not salvagable...move on now" but it does not help Ben's image at all.

[Jailblazers7]

I think what makes this situation so weird is that neither side really has any leverage. Ben is under contract for 4 years and Philly has no real offers to pursue that would keep them as a potential playoff contender. So each side is try to play the media game and win a tiny sliver of leverage until a viable exist opportunity pops up.

[Stanford]

I think what makes this situation so weird is that neither side really has any leverage.

True. Though it's also weird because Ben (with his agent) is conducting himself in the manner of a superstar. These things usually work themselves out because superstar players have immense value. But Ben isn't a superstar and he evidently doesn't have immense value.

[Jailblazers7]

I think what makes this situation so weird is that neither side really has any leverage.

True. Though it's also weird because Ben (with his agent) is conducting himself in the manner of a superstar. These things usually work themselves out because superstar players have immense value. But Ben isn't a superstar and he evidently doesn't have immense value.

Yeah, it’s a good point. Honestly, the only two groups in the world that value Ben as a superstar are Ben’s camp and the Sixers FO.

[spikeslovechild]

If Simmons wanted to leave he shouldn't have signed a max extension.

As of such he'll be moved on our timetable not his no matter how much he whines to the media

[the_process]

I keep coming back to Haliburton would be real nice next to Maxey in the backcourt.

Simmons and Bagley to POR
McCollum and Covington to SAC
Haliburton and Hield to PHI

[Skates]

Simmons and Klutch have become full on social media trolls, the wussy kind that have other people spew their emo crap for them and are huddled in Mom’s basement refusing to face anyone in public till their terrible two’s tantrum is catered to.

[Sportfan73]

I keep coming back to Haliburton would be real nice next to Maxey in the backcourt.

Simmons and Bagley to POR
McCollum and Covington to SAC
Haliburton and Hield to PHI

I would love this, but I think with the way both teams are acting it just ends up being a Philly Portland deal.

[thenbaman]

That’s nonsense

Simmons is very unselfish and plays off the ball all the time

His usage rate is also ridiculously low

It’s got nothing to do with him wanting to be known as a pg

He simply doesn’t want to play here anymore for whatever reason

Simmons is being a complete dick but being a pg is the least of his concerns

I think it’s somewhere in the middle. Ben def ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed and selfish meaning what he’s doing now is pretty selfish/self centered to me. That’s fine but make it clear to everyone especially where you work and get paid (could be that who knows but the reports look bad).

Has player empowerment gone too far the other way

Also he did kick up a fuss about the whole Butler PG role thing.

From outside looking in he’s isn’t franchise material hence the divide in reality of himself wanting his own thing could be there all this time as the agenda.

Sixers have really catered every step of the way for Ben.

How many play's per game did you see that were catered for Ben.
That's right - almost none .
Now your understanding a bit more why he wants out.
Sure he was looked after behind the scenes - who wouldn't want to keep the ultimate Team Role Player happy.

Can't call plays for someone who's afraid of the ball,lol