If Push Came to Shove... (Irving Trade)

[Whiskey Slick]

Kyrie's supporters, friend and teammates support him BECAUSE of instances like these... not in spite of them. Kyrie cant let KD down on this one, because they both have the same view.

its and indvidual choice, and no one should tell a black man what to do with his own body, or really anything that isnt their business.

Well isn't that special. That's not what I was hearing from large segments of the media, most of Hollywood, elected Democrats, even rank and file Democrats, when they thought it was white conservatives, particularly Trump supporters, who were refusing to take the vaccine.

Then it was perfectly fine to mandate what these SELFISH WHITE PEOPLE put in their bodies.

Then if they wanted to commit suicide, FINE, but they had no right to take other people with them.

That was the message I was hearing, LOUD & CLEAR, and I've been vaxed not once, not twice, but three times.

But I still heard the message when it came to white people, especially Trump supporters, and it was far different.

Double standard, much?

[GTR11]

Kyrie's supporters, friend and teammates support him BECAUSE of instances like these... not in spite of them. Kyrie cant let KD down on this one, because they both have the same view. its and indvidual choice, and no one should tell a black man what to do with his own body, or really anything that isnt their business.

KD for a fact did not come here for legacy, or to win titles. he said so many times, including on his own podcast, in context, without spin

Keep telling it to yourself and see how this can blow up if Kyrie won't get vaccinated. As grown as man you should know friendships and business don't go hand to had all the time. This can and will get ugly. This looney tune better get his act together.

So, when he gets the shot. Is he still a “looney toon” or you go around slick with words in public like this to other peoples just the same? He doesn’t owe us ****. No athlete in sports does.

Keep that same energy, win or lose.

I you don't have to worry I will keep it up. You and that flat earth conspiracy theorist keep keep believing how vaccines are evil.

[GTR11]

Kyrie's supporters, friend and teammates support him BECAUSE of instances like these... not in spite of them. Kyrie cant let KD down on this one, because they both have the same view. its and indvidual choice, and no one should tell a black man what to do with his own body, or really anything that isnt their business.

KD for a fact did not come here for legacy, or to win titles. he said so many times, including on his own podcast, in context, without spin

Keep telling it to yourself and see how this can blow up if Kyrie won't get vaccinated. As grown as man you should know friendships and business don't go hand to had all the time. This can and will get ugly. This looney tune better get his act together.

Again, KD and Kyrie are tight BECAUSE of this, not in exception to it. Taking stands and being empowered is what fuels both of them. They didnt team up because they both like pokemon and all of a sudden KD is like "huh this kyrie dude puts weird crap before basketball"

Read KDs essays, listen to KDs podcast (specifically the ones with kyrie on) and read the book about the 2019 nets.

do that, and it is abundantly clear basketball is not #1 priority for either (while still a major priority for both) and that both put empowerment and supporting personal choice first.

i dont know about hardem, but for KD/Kyrie this is why they bonded

Unbelievable, at least pretend that you understood main point. Whatever happened in a past only go that far. Things change everytime, what you do next is what going to show how things going to turn out.


Plain and simple for you. Me and my ex been in great relationship for three years and than got married. We were good for another five till things changed and we divorced. Comprehend now?

[Whiskey Slick]

Unbelievable, at least pretend that you understood main point. Whatever happened in a past only go that far. Things change everytime, what you do next is what going to show how things going to turn out.


Plain and simple for you. Me and my ex been in great relationship for three years and than got married. We were good for another five till things changed and we divorced. Comprehend now?

NO, he doesn't comprehend now and he never will. I've been down this road with Proko enough to know Kyrie is NEVER WRONG about anything, ever. He can quit on the team or commit the most heinous crimes you can possibly imagine, I mean absolute unspeakable carnage, and he'll still be here making some lame excuses for Kyrie. Comprehending that Kyrie is hurting the team is literally impossible for Proko. He is so obsessed with Social Justice, not just normal SJ, but to such an extreme that he will ALWAYS defend Kyrie, even if he literally quits on the team over some flat earth theory, then turn it into a courageous act of black empowerment.

IOW's he knows as much about being part of a team, and caring about your team, to the point where you even make personal sacrifices for the good of the team, i.e. being a TEAM LEADER, as Kyrie does ... which is zero.

[MrDollarBills]

Again, I don't want Kyrie to be traded. I want him here to win a championship with us. It's fun watching him play and he was a flat out stud last season. But the idea of him not playing at home and missing games in MSG is a non starter. He's got to be 100% available.

Hopefully pragmatism and sensibility will win the day and two months from now we'll be arguing about rotations and how much Steve Nash sucks while we curb stomp the league, and this drama becomes a distant memory

[Whiskey Slick]

Again, I don't want Kyrie to be traded. I want him here to win a championship with us. It's fun watching him play and he was a flat out stud last season. But the idea of him not playing at home and missing games in MSG is a non starter. He's got to be 100% available.

Hopefully pragmatism and sensibility will win the day and two months from now we'll be arguing about rotations and how much Steve Nash sucks while we curb stomp the league, and this drama becomes a distant memory

I'm with you 100%

I wish to God Kyrie will come to his senses, AND FAST, so he can practice with the team, get his body prepared in the preseason etc., and play a full season, not less than half, but that's what I hope for cause I know he's great.

That said, if he insists on this selfish nonsense and essentially quits on the team, we're gonna have NO CHOICE but to trade him, assuming ANYONE ELSE will take him and he'll even agree to play elsewhere, but if it comes to that he will have totally screwed us because there's no way in hell we would get anything close to equal value.

What we received in return, if we receive anything at all, would make all of us want to vomit. That's why all Nets fans should be hoping for the former, that he actually puts the team above his conspiracy theories.

BTW Kyrie, I have all kinds of preconditions and I still took 3 shots. Not 1, not 2, but 3.

The only side effect I encountered is the same as a flu shot. For a couple of days I felt a little sluggish.

But that's the normal symptom for flu shots, which I get every year, and it lasts about 48 hours.

[Prokorov]

its player empowerment and black empowerment.

If I said I'm not getting vaccinated partly because of "white empowerment" (although I'm Latino), you would probably call me a selfish, Trump supporting (whether I am or not), flag waving, "white supremacist" who deserves to die, but who has no right to take other people to the grave with me.

Right? .... and tell me the truth.

White empowerment is the status quo. you dont need to state it, it is assumed. And not only is it ok now, it has been ok for the entire exsistance of this country. If you are white, and state "im not getting vaccinated" you dont need to tell us you have the empowerment and priveledge to make choices for yourself. its assumed already, because you are white.

Black empowerment isnt asking for special treatment, its asking for the same choices and freedom over ones self that whites are afforded at birth, that blacks must fight for every day.

[Prokorov]

Keep telling it to yourself and see how this can blow up if Kyrie won't get vaccinated. As grown as man you should know friendships and business don't go hand to had all the time. This can and will get ugly. This looney tune better get his act together.

Again, KD and Kyrie are tight BECAUSE of this, not in exception to it. Taking stands and being empowered is what fuels both of them. They didnt team up because they both like pokemon and all of a sudden KD is like "huh this kyrie dude puts weird crap before basketball"

Read KDs essays, listen to KDs podcast (specifically the ones with kyrie on) and read the book about the 2019 nets.

do that, and it is abundantly clear basketball is not #1 priority for either (while still a major priority for both) and that both put empowerment and supporting personal choice first.

i dont know about hardem, but for KD/Kyrie this is why they bonded

Unbelievable, at least pretend that you understood main point. Whatever happened in a past only go that far. Things change everytime, what you do next is what going to show how things going to turn out.


Plain and simple for you. Me and my ex been in great relationship for three years and than got married. We were good for another five till things changed and we divorced. Comprehend now?

The reasons you got divorced I assume are different then the reasons you got married right? like things change?

Kyrie taking a personal stand despite the blow back is why KD/Kyrie "got married". This is the thing that bonds them. KD/Kyrie might have a falling out at some time. of course that could happen. but it would never be something like this. this if anything will bring them closer together. Its why they vibe in the first place.

[Prokorov]

Again, I don't want Kyrie to be traded. I want him here to win a championship with us. It's fun watching him play and he was a flat out stud last season. But the idea of him not playing at home and missing games in MSG is a non starter. He's got to be 100% available.

Hopefully pragmatism and sensibility will win the day and two months from now we'll be arguing about rotations and how much Steve Nash sucks while we curb stomp the league, and this drama becomes a distant memory

I'm with you 100%

I wish to God Kyrie will come to his senses, AND FAST, so he can practice with the team, get his body prepared in the preseason etc., and play a full season, not less than half, but that's what I hope for cause I know he's great.

That said, if he insists on this selfish nonsense and essentially quits on the team, we're gonna have NO CHOICE but to trade him, assuming ANYONE ELSE will take him and he'll even agree to play elsewhere, but if it comes to that he will have totally screwed us because there's no way in hell we would get anything close to equal value.

What we received in return, if we receive anything at all, would make all of us want to vomit. That's why all Nets fans should be hoping for the former, that he actually puts the team above his conspiracy theories.

BTW Kyrie, I have all kinds of preconditions and I still took 3 shots. Not 1, not 2, but 3.

The only side effect I encountered is the same as a flu shot. For a couple of days I felt a little sluggish.

But that's the normal symptom for flu shots, which I get every year, and it lasts about 48 hours.

Putting the team before yourself is nonsense. Thats like oldschool white guys running slaves nonsense. You and your family always come first, work is further down that list. The Nets get that. It is why players flocked here, including kyrie

[Whiskey Slick]

Putting the team before yourself is nonsense. Thats like oldschool white guys running slaves nonsense.

It's hard to believe people like you even exist. You're so extreme, you're like a cartoon.

Yeah okay, old school white guys were paying their slaves 100's of millions of dollars to play a kids game.

[Whiskey Slick]

White empowerment is the status quo. you dont need to state it, it is assumed.

I wish someone would have told me about that when I was a kid and my father was in prison and I was living in a NYC neighborhood where most people, maybe you, wouldn't even leave their apartments after dark. But I did because I had two choices, steal or starve. So I stole, mostly so I could eat, and I was already in Spofford by 13, maybe because my white skin/privilege was overruled by my Latino last name?

And it was all downhill from there (Rikers Island etc.), until I found God, but by that time most of my friends; black, white and Latino, were either dead or doing 10+ Years. I guess the white and Latino ones didn't get that white privilege exemption either, huh?

I was already a mean little SOB when I was a kid, but I am through walking on the wild side.

Watch on YouTube

But that's okay, you just keep spewing the SJW nonsense cause every board needs a class clown.

[TheNetsFan]

While I don't think it's true, I have wondered whether Kyrie is actually vaccinated but "undeclared." He has skipped media day before. It could just be a way to cause a stir and push back on mandates, or a way to skip media day again.

I got my second dose in April, but certainly dragged my feet on voluntarily declaring out of fear I would have to start returning to the office. I think many did the same, as working from home has spoiled us. Now my employer has a mandate in place with non-compliance resulting a 30-day unpaid suspension followed by termination for cause.

I'm reaching, but I would love to believe we'll be full strength for the start of the season.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Im never trading Kyrie.

Especially for a bum like Simmons. Say what you want about Kyrie. When its time to show up he is incredible.

He will eventually get the vaccine. I'm not worried.

[Prokorov]

Putting the team before yourself is nonsense. Thats like oldschool white guys running slaves nonsense.

It's hard to believe people like you even exist. You're so extreme, you're like a cartoon.

Yeah okay, old school white guys were paying their slaves 100's of millions of dollars to play a kids game.

The money is nothing to them. whats millions when you have billions and control? They control the media, the narratives. I mean Donald sterling paid blacks millions and he was like the poster boy for old white dudes.

There is a reason this wave of black athletes with this empowerment movement have made step 1 setting up their own production companies and allowing their narratives to go direct to the people, without any oversight. They want to tell their story, not have it controlled or told by others.

Again, this isnt some wild extreme cartoon. you can hear it right from KDs mouth: https://boardroom.tv/listen/
And that is the beauty of the movement. you can call it something extreme or some nonsense, but dude is coming to you direct telling you himself.

Black athletes are rich. but blacks need to be wealthy, not reach to make any kind of dent in the inbalance of wealth and power. they need to owner property. they need to own land. and they need to obtain these things in a way where they arent also dumping money into white entities. the top athletes are pushing to be billionaires and to obtain the majority of their wealth OUTSIDE their NBA contracts.

Pierce Simpson talked about the importance of blacks owning all stages of wealth building process. being the product is lucrative but it isnt helping the imbalance that those who own the product stand to make more money then the athletes. he talks about blacks being the products for black owned entities, or like KD, Lebron, Jermaine o'neal and others... owning the production company, the media outlet, the investment firm, have only blacks as equity stakeholders, using black owned lines of distrobution, etc...

KDs portfolio is worth more then the entire extension he just signed. He is on his way to being a billionaire, and in the process making other blacks rich while also allowing them to speak their truth, unedited, and without repricautious.

[Prokorov]

White empowerment is the status quo. you dont need to state it, it is assumed.

I wish someone would have told me about that when I was a kid and my father was in prison and I was living in a NYC neighborhood where most people, maybe you, wouldn't even leave their apartments after dark. But I did because I had two choices, steal or starve. So I stole, mostly so I could eat, and I was already in Spofford by 13, maybe because my white skin/privilege was overruled by my Latino last name?

And it was all downhill from there (Rikers Island etc.), until I found God, but by that time most of my friends; black, white and Latino, were either dead or doing 10+ Years. I guess the white and Latino ones didn't get that white privilege exemption either, huh?

I was already a mean little SOB when I was a kid, but I am through walking on the wild side.

Watch on YouTube

But that's okay, you just keep spewing the SJW nonsense cause every board needs a class clown.

Your personal experiences are anecdotal and a sample size approaching 0 with regards to the population in the US as a whole. everyone has a story. the broad spectrum and complete sample and data are what matters.

White privilege is a thing. It doesnt mean bad things dont happen to white people... it just means bad things dont happen to white people because of the color of their skin.

A for profit prison system that targets blacks and sentences blacks to 2x the the sentence term of whites for similar crimes with a police force that kills blacks for misdemanor traffic stops exsists regardless of whatever you went through.

[Whiskey Slick]

Your personal experiences are anecdotal and a sample size approaching 0 with regards to the population in the US as a whole. everyone has a story.

Oh yeah, so what's your story, since you know so much about how tough life can be in the Ghetto?

I'm dying to hear your "anecdotal story", or is this all just propaganda you read about in books?

[Prokorov]

Your personal experiences are anecdotal and a sample size approaching 0 with regards to the population in the US as a whole. everyone has a story.

Oh yeah, so what's your story, since you know so much about how tough life can be in the Ghetto?

I'm dying to hear your "anecdotal story", or is this all just propaganda you read about in books?

What does tough life have to do with anything? this is about equality (and lack there of) and white privilege. White privilege doesn't mean white people havent struggled, had it tough, or even not gotten a fair shake... it just means that those tough times and struggles weren't due to the color of their skin.

My story is irrelevant. like you i represent close to 0.0% of the population. my individual story is nothing compared to the aggrigate data of hundreds of millions of americans over 2+ centuries.

If you are curious. i didnt struggle. I didnt work all that hard. I work kinda hard. but not like grinding it in school and with 3 jobs and babysitting sibling while my single mom worked 3 jobs. I wasnt rich but i had a big family and always had food, clotches, and safety. I got ok grades, graduated, got into a better college then i deserved because they prioritized community college transfers and then got a great job after doing relatively well and working connections i made on co-op.

I literally did nothing special, worked hardish at times, lived a realtively decent life morally until i got older once i realized the big picture, and now have a great job and home ina great neighborhood.

The problem is... i went to school with mostly spanish and black kids. who worked harder then me. grinded harder then me. and most of them never mad it to college. some not out of high school, and 2 of them were killed by cops (in a time before body cameras). without any charges.

My story isnt about my stuggles as a black man. my story is about me coasting through life without obstacle as a white man, and watching others who worked harder struggle because of the color of their skin.

i try to be an ally. an anti-racist. to support things so that my adopted black son will have the same opportunites as my biological white daughter (who has her own obstacles as a woman).

[Whiskey Slick]

Your personal experiences are anecdotal and a sample size approaching 0 with regards to the population in the US as a whole. everyone has a story.

Oh yeah, so what's your story, since you know so much about how tough life can be in the Ghetto?

I'm dying to hear your "anecdotal story", or is this all just propaganda you read about in books?

What does tough life have to do with anything? this is about equality (and lack there of) and white privilege. White privilege doesn't mean white people havent struggled, had it tough, or even not gotten a fair shake... it just means that those tough times and struggles weren't due to the color of their skin.

My story is irrelevant. like you i represent close to 0.0% of the population. my individual story is nothing compared to the aggrigate data of hundreds of millions of americans over 2+ centuries.

If you are curious. i didnt struggle. I didnt work all that hard. I work kinda hard. but not like grinding it in school and with 3 jobs and babysitting sibling while my single mom worked 3 jobs. I wasnt rich but i had a big family and always had food, clotches, and safety. I got ok grades, graduated, got into a better college then i deserved because they prioritized community college transfers and then got a great job after doing relatively well and working connections i made on co-op.

I literally did nothing special, worked hardish at times, lived a realtively decent life morally until i got older once i realized the big picture, and now have a great job and home ina great neighborhood.

The problem is... i went to school with mostly spanish and black kids. who worked harder then me. grinded harder then me. and most of them never mad it to college. some not out of high school, and 2 of them were killed by cops (in a time before body cameras). without any charges.

My story isnt about my stuggles as a black man. my story is about me coasting through life without obstacle as a white man, and watching others who worked harder struggle because of the color of their skin.

i try to be an ally. an anti-racist. to support things so that my adopted black son will have the same opportunites as my biological white daughter (who has her own obstacles as a woman).

So if that's your story, and I appreciate the honesty, why didn't you EVER make the personal sacrifice like refusing that spot in a good college and insisting it be given to a more qualified black man or woman instead?

And why, until this day, haven't you done likewise with your cush job?

I'm sure there are plenty of qualified black men and women who can do your same job from home, and there's nothing they would love and appreciate more. Since you feel so strongly about this, why not insist your boss gives it to them? I mean if you feel like you are the beneficiary of white privilege, why not do the right thing?

[Prokorov]

So if that's your story, and I appreciate the honesty, why didn't you EVER make the personal sacrifice like refusing that spot in a good college and insisting it be given to a more qualified black man or woman instead?

It isnt just one thing. And it is alot more obvious in hindsight. Im 43. so going back to grammer school or high school, this is like the 80s and early 90s. the idea that inequality was a systemic thing wasnt really acknowledged and access to information wasnt really there with no internet. so you kind of took the news reporting at face value. and my parents where boomers, a generation riddled with racism. so when a minority got the short end, everything in my circle and in the news and in the papers was about how the minority didnt really deserve it or slandered them as a criminal or deviant.

part of it is selfishness. when your young, you typically have tunnell vision. trying to get yours. part of privilige is living in a bubble where everything isnt that bad and the injustices can be explained away. with that, its easy to just worry about yourself... again something minorities and blacks especially dont have the luxury of.

so i guess in short, some of it was ignorance some of it was selfishness and some of it was living in a world that painted everything as normal and just.

And why, until this day, haven't you done likewise with your Cush job?

I do now. giving up my job to a black person isnt really a thing. and whatever job i got to replace it would just be the same, me taking the job of someone probably more qualified. What i have done is worked with our owner/CEO to have a mantadory DEI program (diversity, equity, and inclusion) and partnered with organizaitons to help get blacks hired at a more representive rate in my field (IT). We also are spending a ton of resources into STEM programs and working with the YWCA to try and get more women into IT, where the male/female ratios is signifcantly less diverse then black/white

i do a lot personally to, but this isnt about trying to pretend im some saint. im not. but the issue is important to me and im trying my best to be an anti-racist, which is challenging when you never considered yourself racist or perpetuating things to begin with. but i certainly had my inherit biases and ignorances

I'm sure there are plenty of qualified black men and women who can do your same job from home, and there's nothing they would love and appreciate more. Since you feel so strongly about this, why not insist your boss gives it to them?[/quote]

[Whiskey Slick]

So if that's your story, and I appreciate the honesty, why didn't you EVER make the personal sacrifice like refusing that spot in a good college and insisting it be given to a more qualified black man or woman instead?

It isnt just one thing. And it is alot more obvious in hindsight. Im 43. so going back to grammer school or high school, this is like the 80s and early 90s. the idea that inequality was a systemic thing wasnt really acknowledged and access to information wasnt really there with no internet. so you kind of took the news reporting at face value. and my parents where boomers, a generation riddled with racism. so when a minority got the short end, everything in my circle and in the news and in the papers was about how the minority didnt really deserve it or slandered them as a criminal or deviant.

part of it is selfishness. when your young, you typically have tunnell vision. trying to get yours. part of privilige is living in a bubble where everything isnt that bad and the injustices can be explained away. with that, its easy to just worry about yourself... again something minorities and blacks especially dont have the luxury of.

so i guess in short, some of it was ignorance some of it was selfishness and some of it was living in a world that painted everything as normal and just.

And why, until this day, haven't you done likewise with your cush job?

I do now. giving up my job to a black person isnt really a thing. and whatever job i got to replace it would just be the same, me taking the job of someone probably more qualified. What i have done is worked with our owner/CEO to have a mantadory DEI program (diversity, equity, and inclusion) and partnered with organizaitons to help get blacks hired at a more representive rate in my field (IT). We also are spending a ton of resources into STEM programs and working with the YWCA to try and get more women into IT, where the male/female ratios is signifcantly less diverse then black/white

i do a lot personally to, but this isnt about trying to pretend im some saint. im not. but the issue is important to me and im trying my best to be an anti-racist, which is challenging when you never considered yourself racist or perpetuating things to begin with. but i certainly had my inherit biases and ignorances.

You know what, I appreciate your honesty and have a lot more respect for you now. IMO this is your best post ever, and even if we don't agree on this or that, it's obvious that you care about people and I really value that in a person. It's also clear that you are doing what you can to rectify what you view as injustice, and even if I don't see it the same way, I respect your opinion and that you are backing it up with actions, not just words.

God bless your two children too.