Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Philly's Best]

Have him put his money where his mouth is. Give the money back and accept $0 to get out of his contract. Not $1

[Sixersftw]

Of course he's okay with it. He doesn't even like playing basketball.

You're right. And he gets paid half his salary to sit home and play COD all day.

Wait, I'm starting to think this was the plan all along.

Find something you love (COD) and you'll never work a day in your life.

[spikeslovechild]

What are you basing that off of? Porters 23 games in Houston?

As far as prospect wise first of all KPJ is not your typical end of the first round pick he only fell there due to character concerns which is a big part of why he was benched and let go in Cleveland.

Edwards still is the better prospect but had KPJ not had those character concerns he probably would have been a top 7 pick.

First off, i have edwards over KPJ in terms of value. But the gap for me is small but the price you need to pay for Edwards is significantly higher.

KPJ is just a year older, both averages 16-19ppg with around 52.+% TS%. Both have upward trajectory and are promising players, both can create their shots and be explosive scorers.

Now comparing KPJ to Sexton, both are very similar in terms of level as a scorer comparing both guys at age 20. 16.+ppg on 52TS%

If you will ask me, all three of Sexton, KPJ and Edwards have the skillset we need and are very close in terms of level as a scorer but each have a big disparity in terms of value.

Then if you look at Sexton and DFox, both are equals as scorers. You can even make a case that Sexton is the more impactful player based on oncourt and on/off numbers. While i wouldnt put too much (but still consider it as part of my overall data points) into the on/off numbers, for it is largely context dependent.

We dont know which player could be the best player among the 3 in x years but I find all three to be guys who can help our team and replace Ben’s role as our team’s second guy behind Embiid.

This exercise is not all about preference, it’s more about alternative options. We need to have alternative options if Edwards, Fox or Sexton are not available.

I don't think HOU wants to trade KPJ, though. And the only reason MIN might even consider trading Edwards is specifically because of Ben, his game, and his relationship with KAT and DLo.

I don't think KPJ really even belongs in this discussion honestly. He was traded for a 2nd rounder 20 games ago.

[Ballerhogger]

Of course he's okay with it. He doesn't even like playing basketball.

You're right. And he gets paid half his salary to sit home and play COD all day.

Wait, I'm starting to think this was the plan all along.

Find something you love (COD) and you'll never work a day in your life.

4d chess.

[Ballerhogger]

I still can't get over this guy telling people that he wants to be the number one option.

Serious question: which NBA teams would Ben Simmons be the number one option on today? None?

magic?

[Negrodamus]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264225/Spurs-76ers-Havent-Gotten-Far-With-Trade-Talks-On-Ben-Simmons

Still feels like a darkhorse to get hime since they likely want to build a team around a marketable player like Ben, who already has the intrigue by Popovich. That clashes with the frugal and trade averse nature of the Spurs. It'll rightly be a shock, but I am not counting them out of the running.

[Rastas]

Have him put his money where his mouth is. Give the money back and accept $0 to get out of his contract. Not $1

He already offered that - but you wont hear much about it because that option does not help Philly too much so not Click worthy.

[Sixersftw]

Have him put his money where his mouth is. Give the money back and accept $0 to get out of his contract. Not $1

He already offered that - but you wont hear much about it because that option does not help Philly too much so not Click worthy.

There's legit no chance that happened or I should say, there's no chance that could happen. Ben could say that but the union would have a meltdown.

[BullyKing]

Have him put his money where his mouth is. Give the money back and accept $0 to get out of his contract. Not $1

He already offered that - but you wont hear much about it because that option does not help Philly too much so not Click worthy.

There's legit no chance that happened or I should say, there's no chance that could happen. Ben could say that but the union would have a meltdown.

Even if they didn't, why would the Sixers even remotely consider this? They'd still be over the cap and even if the NBA created some special exception in the amount of his salary, there is no one out there worth more than the minimum.

[76ciology]

I don't think KPJ really even belongs in this discussion honestly. He was traded for a 2nd rounder 20 games ago.

Im not trying to argue and Im just trying to understand your position.

What makes you say there’s a big difference between Edwards and KPJ? KPJ is just a year older.

Is it because Edwards is drafted first overall and KPJ was acquired for just a 2nd rounder?

Yes, Edwards should be valued higher and there is a good case of Edwards being the better player. But for me, the gap is not that big between the two.

I know you’re not buying KPJ’s numbers last season because of the limited number of games. But let’s say he got those numbers for a full season, will that change your mind?

Just trying to understand your position.

Is the gap really big between KPJ and Edwards? How big?

[Sixerscan]

I don't think KPJ really even belongs in this discussion honestly. He was traded for a 2nd rounder 20 games ago.

Im not trying to argue and Im just trying to understand your position.

What makes you say there’s a big difference between Edwards and KPJ? KPJ is just a year older.

Is it because Edwards is drafted first overall and KPJ was acquired for just a 2nd rounder?

Yes, Edwards should be valued higher and there is a good case of Edwards being the better player. But for me, the gap is not that big between the two.

I know you’re not buying KPJ’s numbers last season because of the limited number of games. But let’s say he got those numbers for a full season, will that change your mind?

Just trying to understand your position.

Is the gap really big between KPJ and Edwards? How big?

Well the issue is also why KPJ was acquired for a second rounder. Teams worry about character and personality concerns, fans hand wave them until a guy gets in trouble or is holding out from camp because he's up in his feelings.

[76ciology]

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Part of the reason why Ben wants out. He’ll look like a scrub next to maxey

[76ciology]

I don't think KPJ really even belongs in this discussion honestly. He was traded for a 2nd rounder 20 games ago.

Im not trying to argue and Im just trying to understand your position.

What makes you say there’s a big difference between Edwards and KPJ? KPJ is just a year older.

Is it because Edwards is drafted first overall and KPJ was acquired for just a 2nd rounder?

Yes, Edwards should be valued higher and there is a good case of Edwards being the better player. But for me, the gap is not that big between the two.

I know you’re not buying KPJ’s numbers last season because of the limited number of games. But let’s say he got those numbers for a full season, will that change your mind?

Just trying to understand your position.

Is the gap really big between KPJ and Edwards? How big?

Well the issue is also why KPJ was acquired for a second rounder. Teams worry about character and personality concerns, fans hand wave them until a guy gets in trouble or is holding out from camp because he's up in his feelings.

Ok. I understand that. So the character issue is the reason for the gap to widen between KPJ and Edwards? Because if so, its understandable.

[Sixersftw]

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Part of the reason why Ben wants out. He’ll look like a scrub next to maxey

It's been a decade since we had a lead ballhandler that could shoot. Is Maxey the one to finally break the spell?

[76ciology]

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Part of the reason why Ben wants out. He’ll look like a scrub next to maxey

It's been a decade since we had a lead ballhandler that could shoot. Is Maxey the one to finally break the spell?

Dont jinx it

[sodmoraes]

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Part of the reason why Ben wants out. He’ll look like a scrub next to maxey

I know thats a lot of "Ifs" ", but if Maxey 3 pt ball is legit, and he can become an adequate passer he will be a really good player, maybe an allstar in the future?

He´s a pretty good slasher, so if people respect his shooting ability he will feast. His work ethics seems to be great, so i know his 3 pt will get there, this year or the next one. I´m more worried about his passing abilities, he´s not a natural passer. Let´s hope he can improve in this area, so we can have our future PG.

[Sportfan73]

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Part of the reason why Ben wants out. He’ll look like a scrub next to maxey

I know thats a lot of "Ifs" ", but if Maxey 3 pt ball is legit, and he can become an adequate passer he will be a really good player, maybe an allstar in the future?

He´s a pretty good slasher, so if people respect his shooting ability he will feast. His work ethics seems to be great, so i know his 3 pt will get there, this year or the next one. I´m more worried about his passing abilities, he´s not a natural passer. Let´s hope he can improve in this area, so we can have our future PG.

If those 2 things happen he can be an all star level guard. Defense has trended in the correct direction as well

[Sixerscan]

Read on Twitter

Part of the reason why Ben wants out. He’ll look like a scrub next to maxey

I know thats a lot of "Ifs" ", but if Maxey 3 pt ball is legit, and he can become an adequate passer he will be a really good player, maybe an allstar in the future?

He´s a pretty good slasher, so if people respect his shooting ability he will feast. His work ethics seems to be great, so i know his 3 pt will get there, this year or the next one. I´m more worried about his passing abilities, he´s not a natural passer. Let´s hope he can improve in this area, so we can have our future PG.

Yeah my biggest question with him at the point in terms of him being a starter is whether he can actually play point guard. He'll score, the shooting seems to be progressing fine and the defense should be fine as long as you don't count on him to cover anything but point guards.

The point guard thing is big though. If he can't run the offense and set guys up you're going to see a lot of guys struggle more than you might think. Probably not Embiid but the shooters and Harris to some extent.

[RedSalsa]

Am I the only that thinks we could actually be better with out Ben come playoff time? Maxey is way Superior offensively and Tisse is just about at his level defensively and will actually take a wide-open three!

[the_process]

Spurs were mentioned in the WT today as a team interested but that hasn't made much headway with a Ben trade. Have to assume Klutch dropped that because Pop would build the team around Ben.

The Spurs don't have any elite pieces but they have a couple of intriguing youngsters, a couple of vets who can help you win now, and they have all their picks.