NBA protocols/Covid/Vaccine - Discussion thread

[Nate505]

Fair is fair. I can hear Wiggins and Beal's sleeves getting rolled up.
Dunno bout Kyrie

I think the opposite actually, those two have been much more vocal about their stupidity than Kyrie in this instance.

I don't think it's fair to call them stupid. I have close relatives who are strongly against getting vaccinated that aren't stupid people. People who want everyone to get vaccinated have to understand the motivations of those who are resisting it. In my family's case it is a deep seeded fear and mistrust of the federal government that is the primary cause of their resistance. And people calling them stupid or ignorant has only caused them to dig in their heels more and become further entrenched in their beliefs.

I don't have the answer for how to open up real dialogue with guys like Wiggins and Beal, but if the goal is to get them vaccinated, insulting them is having the opposite of the desired result.

Lucky for them nobody thought like them when the polio and smallpox vaccines were developed. Wonder if an of these government mistrusters have the measles vaccine, mumps vaccine, rubella vaccine, get a tentus shot, etc.

The mistrust and fear of the Feds is odd to me, unless these people are going to completely live off the grid. If not, the Feds are pretty much in your life whether you like it or not.

[Cartuse]

These people are nutty.

Wouldn’t doubt their only interaction outside of work (if they even do work) is thru this basketball message board.

No need for personal attacks. People are allowed to express their viewpoints and opinions.

To be fair, that viewpoint was that he wants people who aren't vaccinated to die because it continues to benefit him financially. I'm not sure that is something people should be allowed to express?

I'm of the apparent minority that believes that yes, that is something people should be allowed to express.

If you don't let people express anything they want, then you won't know what people think. This way you know.

Of course this is a basketball forum with its own rules, so that's that. But in the public arena I'm an absolute believer in unrestricted free speech, even if you're inciting violence or whatever. Supressing the voice only serves to hide the thoughts

[TheAlanParsons]

I think the opposite actually, those two have been much more vocal about their stupidity than Kyrie in this instance.

I don't think it's fair to call them stupid. I have close relatives who are strongly against getting vaccinated that aren't stupid people. People who want everyone to get vaccinated have to understand the motivations of those who are resisting it. In my family's case it is a deep seeded fear and mistrust of the federal government that is the primary cause of their resistance. And people calling them stupid or ignorant has only caused them to dig in their heels more and become further entrenched in their beliefs.

I don't have the answer for how to open up real dialogue with guys like Wiggins and Beal, but if the goal is to get them vaccinated, insulting them is having the opposite of the desired result.

Lucky for them nobody thought like them when the polio and smallpox vaccines were developed.

The mistrust and fear of the Feds is odd to me, unless these people are going to completely live off the grid. If not, the Feds are pretty much in your life whether you like it or not.

People who get the polio and smallpox vaccines don't get infected by and spread smallpox and polio!

Jesus, you vax crusaders get this vaccine which you say protects you, but then are afraid you might get sick from unvaxxed people. Then you demand they get a vax shot that you obviously have zero confidence in. It's insanity.

[ItsDanger]

I'd like to see the section of CBA they base this on. Going to be a solid legal case regardless.

Nonsense. It's not based on the CBA, it's based on obeying the laws of the city. Arenas in SF and NYC have to obey health orders the same way that restaurants or anyone else has to obey health orders. If the city says restaurant workers have to meet certain health standards, restaurants have to enforce that or get shut down. The same goes for arenas. Where is the solid legal case?

Is that your legal opinion? LOL. Isaac can definitely sue and will likely win.

[AingesBurner]

I'm So sick of companies enforcing rules and making me comply with things in order to have employment and get paid.

Technically it’s the city or state government laying out the rules. Also there are threats of lawsuits to government and companies if they don’t provide a safe work environment.

If someone got Covid went to work and killed someone’s grandma or mother, some lawsuit happy grieving person might have a case to get millions if all precautions were not taken.

Just those people who get the vaccine and die from a vaccine injury are the ones left in the cold…. Families having no avenues of getting compensated for a family members death.

[Ben-N1ce]

This is wrong on so many levels. Imagine withholding millions of dollars from someone over their personal beliefs. Unreal

I personally believe I should be able to sniff cocaine off strippers butts while I work. Weed is also legal in my state yet some employers drug test for it anyway so I can't get those jobs. It's a travesty.

[jg77]

Lets be honest. Even if it was 100%, this would still be an issue. It would just become "not enough people are getting the booster shot"

They don't see that they're being gas-lighted. Biden just said the other day that we needed to be at 98% vaxxed, lol. It has gone from two weeks to slow to curve to almost everyone must be vaxxed for this to end. They also said there wouldn't be passports and now there are. They said there wouldn't be mandates and now we have those. It's just going to keep going and going.

I'm living pretty much the same life as I was pre-pandemic. The only thing that's changed is that I wear a mask in Ubers, stores, and planes, I show a vaccination record at some restaurants and if I feel cold symptoms, I work from home for a day. Are these the "restrictions" making your lives unbearable?

Yes, very much so. I've said this on here before but I have two daughters in Australia. My youngest was born in April 2020 and I haven't even seen her yet because of this stuff going on. They said their country will open on such and such date and then you book a flight only for the re-opening to get extended again. This gaslighting needs to stop.

[wade44]

This is wrong on so many levels. Imagine withholding millions of dollars from someone over their personal beliefs. Unreal

Players can believe whatever the hell they want, but if you refuse to follow a local governments health ordinance that prevents you from doing your job, then how you going to expect the nba to pay a player for services the player is choosing not to provide?

What’s the difference with people who are granted exemption through religion (nothing against religion) versus those not granted exemption? I’m sure there will be many in that player’s local area that will be exempted and still pose the same threat as an unvaccinated player. The nba at the very least should grant religious exemption to that player. (Which is what like 2 players across the entire league)?! Withholding millions of dollars over a personal choice/decision is just plain morally wrong and straight up tyranny

[wade44]

This is wrong on so many levels. Imagine withholding millions of dollars from someone over their personal beliefs. Unreal

I personally believe I should be able to sniff cocaine off strippers butts while I work. Weed is also legal in my state yet some employers drug test for it anyway so I can't get those jobs. It's a travesty.

Take a hike buddy. Go get some air

[Nate505]

I don't think it's fair to call them stupid. I have close relatives who are strongly against getting vaccinated that aren't stupid people. People who want everyone to get vaccinated have to understand the motivations of those who are resisting it. In my family's case it is a deep seeded fear and mistrust of the federal government that is the primary cause of their resistance. And people calling them stupid or ignorant has only caused them to dig in their heels more and become further entrenched in their beliefs.

I don't have the answer for how to open up real dialogue with guys like Wiggins and Beal, but if the goal is to get them vaccinated, insulting them is having the opposite of the desired result.

Lucky for them nobody thought like them when the polio and smallpox vaccines were developed.

The mistrust and fear of the Feds is odd to me, unless these people are going to completely live off the grid. If not, the Feds are pretty much in your life whether you like it or not.

People who get the polio and smallpox vaccines don't get infected by and spread smallpox and polio!

Jesus, you vax crusaders get this vaccine which you say protects you, but then are afraid you might get sick from unvaxxed people. Then you demand they get a vax shot that you obviously have zero confidence in. It's insanity.

That happened because most people actually took it and the viruses didn't have a chance to mutate into viruses that would have been become more resistant to the vaccine. There wasn't 30% of the population where anti-vax nutjobs then.

[fendilim]

Read on Twitter

Good. Starting hitting them where it hurts their wallets. I bet they will suddenly find out in their “research” that taking the vaccine was the best course of action after all.

Well, it would matter to the lower-tier players, but the players with previously high salaries? I doubt it.



Doesn't do much, IMO.

[MoneyTalks41890]

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[cpower]

I'm So sick of companies enforcing rules and making me comply with things in order to have employment and get paid.

you can find jobs elsewhere if you dont want to work here.

[Ballerhogger]

They need make it for all players home or away. Really shoudlnt be just for few states at home.

[LightTheBeam]

No need for personal attacks. People are allowed to express their viewpoints and opinions.

To be fair, that viewpoint was that he wants people who aren't vaccinated to die because it continues to benefit him financially. I'm not sure that is something people should be allowed to express?

I'm of the apparent minority that believes that yes, that is something people should be allowed to express.

If you don't let people express anything they want, then you won't know what people think. This way you know.

Of course this is a basketball forum with its own rules, so that's that. But in the public arena I'm an absolute believer in unrestricted free speech, even if you're inciting violence or whatever. Supressing the voice only serves to hide the thoughts

I agree in the public. I'm simply talking about on this forum where I've been banned from the current affairs forum for far less.

[TheAlanParsons]

It's funny how here in Florida where there are no BS mandates you could walk around town and not even have an inkling that anything was wrong unless you turned on the fear inducing boob tube.

[wade44]

What I don’t get either is vaccinated players can still catch COVID and spread it. Did the league not think of this? Or are they just out to demonize unvaccinated players like all the other media is doing

[Mamba Mentality]

Fully on board with this. Freedom of choice isn’t freedom of consequence. Just because it's your personal decision whether to get vaccinated doesn't mean you can jeopardize the health of others by not following the most basic health and safety guidelines.

[Lunartic]

A reminder to keep this thread about how COVID is impacting the NBA, various rules for teams/cities, players it impacts, etc. It is not a place to discuss your feelings about the COVID vaccine in general. This was clearly stated by Dirk in the announcement at the top of the page in which the initial post in this thread refers to.

If people continue to derail the thread into non basketball related personal opinions, please report and these users will be dealt with.

Understood, considering how easily it is to delve into the actual vaccine and everything that entails, would you/other mods give an indication if you think a post is derailing before official action? It's almost impossible to walk the line of "how it applies to the NBA" only without overflow.

If someone says "thank god for common sense" in relation to the NBA not paying players for missing games, how does one refute that without getting into the topic of vaccine safety?

You've got a difficult job and you're a good mod.(rhyme) I think the vast majority of the posts in this thread are good faith regardless of disagreement, I just don't want to banned for continuing a discussion that isn't explicitly tied to a specific NBA instance.

Just a heads up would be appreciated

[JujitsuFlip]

Do they give players breakdowns on what % of their paycheque comes from games vs other duties (practice, media availability, film sessions, day to day stuff..etc) ? I wonder how they determine how much they'll get docked

Unvaccinated players in SF and NYC won't be able to use team facilities to practice either once the regular season starts.