ATL - 2021-22 Regular Season Begins

DrWood · Post #381 » by **DrWood** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:12 am

paulpressey25 wrote:Am I missing something on the Michael Porter jr contract?

That seems like a premature overpay.

he doesn't have much of a track record. I wonder what injury he had that kept him from playing as a rookie.

Plossum · Post #382 » by **Plossum** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:51 am

DrWood wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:Am I missing something on the Michael Porter jr contract?

That seems like a premature overpay.

he doesn't have much of a track record. I wonder what injury he had that kept him from playing as a rookie.

I think he had back issues.

emunney · Post #383 » by **emunney** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:12 am

Yeah he had a back injury that required surgery while he was at Missouri, missed most of the year but came back right at the end, then had another back surgery and missed his entire rookie year. Basketball's hard on a healthy back. We'll see, hope it holds up.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #384 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:39 am

Max contacts and a soft cap is a garbage system. The max contact creates a world where the true best of the best are underpaid and then the next wave of guys are overpaid because basically 2-3 guys on every team get around the max. Then the soft cap creates situations where teams are left choosing to over pay a guy or let him walk and have way less to replace them.

But I can't see either the players or some owners going to an NFL style CBA. It would likely help with the competitive balance/super team stuff too. But again I'm not holding my breath.

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DrWood · Post #385 » by **DrWood** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:54 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Max contacts and a soft cap is a garbage system. The max contact creates a world where the true best of the best are underpaid and then the next wave of guys are overpaid because basically 2-3 guys on every team get around the max. Then the soft cap creates situations where teams are left choosing to over pay a guy or let him walk and have way less to replace them.

But I can't see either the players or some owners going to an NFL style CBA. It would likely help with the competitive balance/super team stuff too. But again I'm not holding my breath.

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I wonder why no league has a performance based pay system. Give everyone a minimum based on their years of service (500K for a rookie), and then tie in the rest of the salary to some system.

AussieBuck · Post #386 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:37 pm

I just assumed getting a vaccine was part of the deal with the Porter jr contract. Wild that they paid him without it.

ClassicJack · Post #387 » by **ClassicJack** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:45 am

DrWood wrote:I wonder why no league has a performance based pay system. Give everyone a minimum based on their years of service (500K for a rookie), and then tie in the rest of the salary to some system.

It's called a players union.

Post #388 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:37 am

So Harden won’t sign an extension this year? Lol.

brettski · Post #389 » by **brettski** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:54 am

paulpressey25 wrote:So Harden won’t sign an extension this year? Lol.

Thank you! I've been waiting to see a discussion on this, especially those following it closer that can tell me why! Is there more money in a new contract vs an extension? I assumed he was far enough into his career the answer to that was no...

Perseus1966 · Post #390 » by **Perseus1966** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:40 am

If Porter gets 207 ,how much Giannis must get?

DrWood · Post #391 » by **DrWood** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:54 am

ClassicJack wrote:
DrWood wrote:I wonder why no league has a performance based pay system. Give everyone a minimum based on their years of service (500K for a rookie), and then tie in the rest of the salary to some system.

It's called a players union.

There's no reason why average salary (and whatever cut the union gets) would go down. They could probably game it so they came out ahead.

Post #392 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:29 pm

DrWood wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Max contacts and a soft cap is a garbage system. The max contact creates a world where the true best of the best are underpaid and then the next wave of guys are overpaid because basically 2-3 guys on every team get around the max. Then the soft cap creates situations where teams are left choosing to over pay a guy or let him walk and have way less to replace them.

But I can't see either the players or some owners going to an NFL style CBA. It would likely help with the competitive balance/super team stuff too. But again I'm not holding my breath.

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I wonder why no league has a performance based pay system. Give everyone a minimum based on their years of service (500K for a rookie), and then tie in the rest of the salary to some system.

MLB has this exact system.

WRau1 · Post #393 » by **WRau1** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:09 pm

I think MPJ caps out as an elite #2, which makes his contract fine since that's about the going rate.

emunney · Post #394 » by **emunney** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:17 pm

brettski wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:So Harden won’t sign an extension this year? Lol.

Thank you! I've been waiting to see a discussion on this, especially those following it closer that can tell me why! Is there more money in a new contract vs an extension? I assumed he was far enough into his career the answer to that was no...

I think he probably just wants to be able to gtfo if things aren't right.

emunney · Post #395 » by **emunney** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:18 pm

Perseus1966 wrote:If Porter gets 207 ,how much Giannis must get?

Well, Porter only gets 207 if he makes an All-NBA team or wins MVP this year. But Giannis gets 228 regardless, that's signed and sealed.

Ron Swanson · Post #396 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:01 pm

Amazed that Harden likely turning down an extension and opting for unrestricted free agency next summer isn't dominating the headlines. But then again, he's not a star in a "small market" so.....

DingleJerry · Post #397 » by **DingleJerry** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:08 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Amazed that Harden likely turning down an extension and opting for unrestricted free agency next summer isn't dominating the headlines. But then again, he's not a star in a "small market" so.....

Dude sure does have Miami written all over him doesn't he?

He's originally from LA, would be funny if he demands there and a Westbrook trade for him has to happen. Re-uniting KD and RW. BKN obviously would have to make it a 3 team though. PG13 based trade could work too to get to LA

Post #398 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:37 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Amazed that Harden likely turning down an extension and opting for unrestricted free agency next summer isn't dominating the headlines. But then again, he's not a star in a "small market" so.....

At some point the national guys have to get all over this. The assumption was that the Nets were working on making sure their big three were all locked up long-term before the start of the season.

But it just points to the fact the Nets are great on paper, but on the actual court, the dysfunctions of those three guys (health, ego, etc.) seem to always surface.

LuessiT · Post #399 » by **LuessiT** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:56 pm

emunney wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:If Porter gets 207 ,how much Giannis must get?

Well, Porter only gets 207 if he makes an All-NBA team or wins MVP this year. But Giannis gets 228 regardless, that's signed and sealed.

You forgot DPOY lol.

Milbucks96 · Post #400 » by **Milbucks96** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:21 pm

The difference between signing now vs later is $62 million for Harden. Seems like he knows he can get this same contract later no matter what but wants to maximize his profit for his last contract.

Me, like most other people would lock in the money but I assume he knows he’s getting maxed no matter what so he’s shooting for the biggest payday first. He’s staying in Brooklyn, they will do anything to keep Kd and Harden.