Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Sixerscan]

Article 6 PLAYER CONDUCT
6.1 General.
In addition to any other rights a Team or the NBA may have by contract (including but not limited to the rights set forth in paragraphs 9 and 16 of the Uniform Player Contract) or by law, when a player fails or refuses, without proper and reasonable cause or excuse, to render the services required by a Player Contract or this Agreement, or when a player is, for proper cause, suspended by his Team or the NBA in accordance with the terms of such Contract or this Agreement, the Current Base Compensation payable to the player for the year of the Contract during which such refusal or failure and/or suspension occurs may be reduced (or, in the case of a suspension, shall be reduced) by (a) 1/145th of the player’s Base Compensation for each missed Exhibition, Regular Season or Playoff game for any suspension of less than twenty (20) games and (b) 1/110th of the player’s Base Compensation for each missed Exhibition, Regular Season or Playoff game for any suspension of twenty (20) games or more (including any indefinite suspension that persists for twenty (20) games or more or consecutive suspensions for continuing acts or conduct that persist for twenty (20) games or more).

This part I bolded in red is the sticking point that will be debated. How do they determine reasonable excuse?

Could the threats from Philly fans be enough for Ben to claim that he is not wanting to be subject to abuse and therefore can't render services?

Lol can you imagine.

"But judge I would have done my drive and kick game but I was worried I would get a wedgie when I left the practice facility."

[Ballerhogger]

Right, and if he doesn’t play, he HAS to give that money back at some point. You think he can just keep 16M, magically?

It’s basically just a front, under the assumption he’s going to play.

its guaranteed 8.25m yes... that's how guaranteed checks work.He gets that no matter what. If hes traded tomorrow the other team pays it. If not 76ers pay it.

That’s not how it works at all. The collective bargaining agreement specifically says that the guaranteed salary is contingent on the service being provide.

Even if you haven’t read the CBA, an elementary understanding of contracts in general would be enough to figure out that what you are saying isn’t accurate. I’m astonished that this is news to you.

ok what your saying is true , the first is on a Friday. they can fine him for media day , up to 50k, Tuesday if they practiced , Wednesday if they practiced and thrusday . After the hes due his guaranteed money .. because if he doesn’t get it the NBAP will be knocking on the door . This going be experiment on what the next cba will have or won’t have . All eyes are on morey , Ben and 76ers ownership. . He can say he feels neglected etc . See how drawn out this can be …

[Sportfan73]

Does the fact that we're discussing how much money is obligated to a fully healthy player who doesn't want to play not alarm anybody?

Truly don’t think we make it there

Ok truly, but for who's sake if we don't make it there? The pressure is on finding a trade OR getting Ben to play while healthy.

Other teams caving and upping their offers way sooner than some are making it sound. Everything thought they were tough in august and September with Morey but it’s not every day you can get someone like Ben locked for 4 years at his age. I give it 2-4 weeks

[Tomjas]

Truly don’t think we make it there

Ok truly, but for who's sake if we don't make it there? The pressure is on finding a trade OR getting Ben to play while healthy.

Other teams caving and upping their offers way sooner than some are making it sound. Everything thought they were tough in august and September with Morey but it’s not every day you can get someone like Ben locked for 4 years at his age. I give it 2-4 weeks

Harden and Jimmy were both traded within first 10 games

Everyone knows that the situation is untenable so teams POTENTIALLY will just say fk it and pull the trigger rather than risk missing out

[Jhawk03]

Ok truly, but for who's sake if we don't make it there? The pressure is on finding a trade OR getting Ben to play while healthy.

Other teams caving and upping their offers way sooner than some are making it sound. Everything thought they were tough in august and September with Morey but it’s not every day you can get someone like Ben locked for 4 years at his age. I give it 2-4 weeks

Harden and Jimmy were both traded within first 10 games

Everyone knows that the situation is untenable so teams POTENTIALLY will just say fk it and pull the trigger rather than risk missing out

Are you saying Morey and the Sixers will just say fk it and take whatever offer in the end?

[Sportfan73]

Ok truly, but for who's sake if we don't make it there? The pressure is on finding a trade OR getting Ben to play while healthy.

Other teams caving and upping their offers way sooner than some are making it sound. Everything thought they were tough in august and September with Morey but it’s not every day you can get someone like Ben locked for 4 years at his age. I give it 2-4 weeks

Harden and Jimmy were both traded within first 10 games

Everyone knows that the situation is untenable so teams POTENTIALLY will just say fk it and pull the trigger rather than risk missing out

Agreed everyone thinking it’s going to go half the season is only considering what Morey WOULD do. But I don’t think he will have to. There’s going to be a bidding war sooner rather than later for him imo. We might not get a star but we will get an adequate offer or two before December

[Tomjas]

Other teams caving and upping their offers way sooner than some are making it sound. Everything thought they were tough in august and September with Morey but it’s not every day you can get someone like Ben locked for 4 years at his age. I give it 2-4 weeks

Harden and Jimmy were both traded within first 10 games

Everyone knows that the situation is untenable so teams POTENTIALLY will just say fk it and pull the trigger rather than risk missing out

Are you saying Morey and the Sixers will just say fk it and take whatever offer in the end?

No

Other teams will add something to push it over the line

[Jhawk03]

Harden and Jimmy were both traded within first 10 games

Everyone knows that the situation is untenable so teams POTENTIALLY will just say fk it and pull the trigger rather than risk missing out

Are you saying Morey and the Sixers will just say fk it and take whatever offer in the end?

No

Other teams will add something to push it over the line

Ok, well that answer illustrates my initial question... are the other owners and GMs gonna give the Sixers .75 cents on the dollar instead of .50 cents for example?? And if so, for WHO'S SAKE??

[zimpy27]

Posted on trade forum but didn't get a lot of feedback. Wondered what you guys think?
I think that Philly team is strong and LeVert could be the bench leader if you want to start Maxey.

PHI get CJ+LeVert for giving Simmons+Curry
CJ, Green, LeVert, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond
- Philly get two guys that can initiate scoring in the half-court

POR get Siakam for giving CJ
Lillard, Powell, Covington, Siakam, Nurkic -- Simons, Snell, Little, Nance, Zeller
- Portland get good value for CJ, become a much stronger defensive team

IND get Simmons+Curry+Achiuwa for giving Sabonis+LeVert+Lamb
Curry, Brogdon, Warren, Simmons, Turner -- McConnell, JHoliday, Oshae, Achiuwa, Goga
- Rick gets to build a super-efficient offense around Simmons, Curry, Brogdon

TOR get Sabonis+Lamb for giving Siakam+Achiuwa
FVV, Trent, OG, Barnes, Sabonis -- Flynn, Lamb, Watanabe, Boucher, Birch
- Raptors get their starting C and can move Barnes into starting squad

Levert has a stress fracture in his back. Do not want...

He's unlikely to miss a game

[Sportfan73]

Are you saying Morey and the Sixers will just say fk it and take whatever offer in the end?

No

Other teams will add something to push it over the line

Ok, well that answer illustrates my initial question... are the other owners and GMs gonna give the Sixers .75 cents on the dollar instead of .50 cents for example?? And if so, for WHO'S SAKE??

For their own sake because they are still getting .75 cents on the dollar and a few teams that thought they could get him for .50 throughout August and September decided they want him and will up the offer.

[Sportfan73]

Harden and Jimmy were both traded within first 10 games

Everyone knows that the situation is untenable so teams POTENTIALLY will just say fk it and pull the trigger rather than risk missing out

Are you saying Morey and the Sixers will just say fk it and take whatever offer in the end?

No

Other teams will add something to push it over the line

Like what about the other teams GM and ownership wanting Simmons but also not wanting to trade for a guy that everyone thinks is selfish and quits on his teammates so they add the extra to get it done before that’s the case. Just because Morey doesn’t care doesn’t mean other teams don’t

[76ciology]

.75 cents on the dollar for now, but $1.50 for a dollar later. Thats the worst case scenario im looking.

Think of Ben for Kevin Love a couple of Cavs picks and a pick swap or for Buddy Hield, Bagley, a couple of Kings pick and a pick swap.

Preferably I want Sexton, Edwards, KPJ, Haliburton or similar young player in return along with the picks.

Personally I think we can be just as good as last season with Ben if we replace Ben with a scorer while Maxey shows improvement

[Sportfan73]

.75 cents on the dollar for now, but $1.50 for a dollar later. Thats the worst case scenario im looking.

Think of Ben for Kevin Love a couple of Cavs picks and a pick swap or for Buddy Hield, Bagley, a couple of Kings pick and a pick swap.

Preferably I want Sexton, Edwards, KPJ, Haliburton or similar young player in return along with the picks.

I don’t think Morey does a deal with at least one headlining piece. Obviously those guys you listed would qualify

[Filthadelphia]

Right. We all know what they can give him in fines. The failure to render services and losing his entire paycheck is what Ben won’t give up. He could likely afford to sit a whole season, but he isn’t going to give $33 million back.

Now its your turn to post about fines again from your corner lol

You obviously don’t know how his contract is structured

He was paid $8.25 million of the $33 million for this season on July 1

Unless they suspend him in the next 24 hours, he is owed another $8.25 million TOMORROW

He’s not going to the poor house anytime soon

The point is it doesn't really matter in the long run if they pay him tomorrow because he's gonna have to pay it back as he misses games, practices, media availability etc. over the course of the season. The July payment too. Those are basically interest free loans with the payment due within a year if he's actually going to openly not show up without some sort of excuse.

You can either think of it like he would be making $0 or he would be making $33 million and having to give away $33 million. Either way he ends up at the same number by the end of the year.

Personally if I'm the Sixers I just keep all the still owed money in my account since that's where it's seemingly going to end up anyway. They may have their reasons to do the other way though.

The pertinent section of the CBA got posted a few pages ago and you ignored it.
With all your knowledge of the CBA, why dont you post the sections youre referring to and explain yourself?
Maybe that will help clear things up?

[76ciology]

.75 cents on the dollar for now, but $1.50 for a dollar later. Thats the worst case scenario im looking.

Think of Ben for Kevin Love a couple of Cavs picks and a pick swap or for Buddy Hield, Bagley, a couple of Kings pick and a pick swap.

Preferably I want Sexton, Edwards, KPJ, Haliburton or similar young player in return along with the picks.

I don’t think Morey does a deal with at least one headlining piece. Obviously those guys you listed would qualify

Definitely he’d want a headline piece but there’s also a possibility he’d do a deal without a headline piece in my opinion.

I also dont know how good Maxey is right now. Like what if the Doc and Morey are so high on him right now and projects him to play like an allstar? I then think he’d be more comfortable in trading without a headline piece. While I can say the opposite thing for the opposite scenario.

[Sportfan73]

Harden and Jimmy were both traded within first 10 games

Everyone knows that the situation is untenable so teams POTENTIALLY will just say fk it and pull the trigger rather than risk missing out

Are you saying Morey and the Sixers will just say fk it and take whatever offer in the end?

No

Other teams will add something to push it over the line

Like what about the other teams GM and ownership wanting Simmons but also not wanting to trade for a guy that everyone thinks is selfish and quits on his teammates so they add the extra to get it done before that’s the case. Just because Morey doesn’t care doesn’t mean other teams don’t

[Sixerscan]

You obviously don’t know how his contract is structured

He was paid $8.25 million of the $33 million for this season on July 1

Unless they suspend him in the next 24 hours, he is owed another $8.25 million TOMORROW

He’s not going to the poor house anytime soon

The point is it doesn't really matter in the long run if they pay him tomorrow because he's gonna have to pay it back as he misses games, practices, media availability etc. over the course of the season. The July payment too. Those are basically interest free loans with the payment due within a year if he's actually going to openly not show up without some sort of excuse.

You can either think of it like he would be making $0 or he would be making $33 million and having to give away $33 million. Either way he ends up at the same number by the end of the year.

Personally if I'm the Sixers I just keep all the still owed money in my account since that's where it's seemingly going to end up anyway. They may have their reasons to do the other way though.

The pertinent section of the CBA got posted a few pages ago and you ignored it.
With all your knowledge of the CBA, why dont you post the sections youre referring to and explain yourself?
Maybe that will help clear things up?

See the top of the page, loser.

Article 6, if you are curious.

[eyeatoma]

I’d also prefer getting Siakam instead. Biid-Siakam high low would be a match-up nightmare. You’d also be so elite defensively with two bigs who can step out, switch and protect the rim.

And if that doesnt work then I can always trade Siakam later.

Ughgh do not want Siakam.

[76ciology]

I’d also prefer getting Siakam instead. Biid-Siakam high low would be a match-up nightmare. You’d also be so elite defensively with two bigs who can step out, switch and protect the rim.

And if that doesnt work then I can always trade Siakam later.

Ughgh do not want Siakam.

Haha i can understand that for its not the ideal scenario. But like everything it has its upside and downside while compared to a meh player and 0 return, the upside of Siakam is better.

[Filthadelphia]

The point is it doesn't really matter in the long run if they pay him tomorrow because he's gonna have to pay it back as he misses games, practices, media availability etc. over the course of the season. The July payment too. Those are basically interest free loans with the payment due within a year if he's actually going to openly not show up without some sort of excuse.

You can either think of it like he would be making $0 or he would be making $33 million and having to give away $33 million. Either way he ends up at the same number by the end of the year.

Personally if I'm the Sixers I just keep all the still owed money in my account since that's where it's seemingly going to end up anyway. They may have their reasons to do the other way though.

The pertinent section of the CBA got posted a few pages ago and you ignored it.
With all your knowledge of the CBA, why dont you post the sections youre referring to and explain yourself?
Maybe that will help clear things up?

See the top of the page, loser.

Article 6, if you are curious.

Wow that 'loser' really hits me like a poison dagger to the heart. How will I ever recover?
Im asking an honest question.