Political Roundtable Part XXX

[Zonkerbl]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/with-a-straight-face-to-an-adoring-crowd-trump-lies-and-says-arizona-audit-found-he-won/vi-AAOS8Iu?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531
Obviously, nothing's ever going to change with him, but the bold-faced pure lies starting at the 58 second mark... Again, what's more disturbing? - the lies trying to de-legitimize our elections - or the fact that there is an enormous cult of personality still following this horrible piece of garbage?

Yeah this is crazy. You've gotta believe that he's losing people on the margins - people who actually get their information from somewhere other than Trump himself. Even Fox News is reporting the truth about this.

[Ruzious]

Will I get dinged by the mods of I post the STFU Friday youtube video that very helpfully, but profanely, explains what to do when pulled over by the cops?

When the cops pull you over what do you say? "Why did you pull me over?"
When they start asking questions what do you say? "I'm not discussing my day."
If they keep asking questions? Politely ask "Am I being detained or am I free to go?"
If detained, what do you say? "I invoke the fifth"
AND THEN WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU STFU!!!!

I think this is a relatively tame version:

Watch on YouTube

Agreed, but don't go out of your way to get pulled over by tossing roaches out of your car. That is being a dick, imo.

[dobrojim]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/with-a-straight-face-to-an-adoring-crowd-trump-lies-and-says-arizona-audit-found-he-won/vi-AAOS8Iu?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531
Obviously, nothing's ever going to change with him, but the bold-faced pure lies starting at the 58 second mark... Again, what's more disturbing? - the lies trying to de-legitimize our elections - or the fact that there is an enormous cult of personality still following this horrible piece of garbage?

Yeah this is crazy. You've gotta believe that he's losing people on the margins - people who actually get their information from somewhere other than Trump himself. Even Fox News is reporting the truth about this.

Losing a few on the margins, sure. Remember though, it's really easy to be conned into believing
what you already are predisposed to believe and it's even proportionally harder to come to the realization
that you've been conned. Given everything we've seen with the relationship between the cult and the 'cultee',
I find it difficult in the extreme to imagine anything that would result in him losing very many of
his followers. One can hope though for that day of reckoning.

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[verbal8]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/with-a-straight-face-to-an-adoring-crowd-trump-lies-and-says-arizona-audit-found-he-won/vi-AAOS8Iu?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531
Obviously, nothing's ever going to change with him, but the bold-faced pure lies starting at the 58 second mark... Again, what's more disturbing? - the lies trying to de-legitimize our elections - or the fact that there is an enormous cult of personality still following this horrible piece of garbage?

Yeah this is crazy. You've gotta believe that he's losing people on the margins - people who actually get their information from somewhere other than Trump himself. Even Fox News is reporting the truth about this.

Losing a few on the margins, sure. Remember though, it's really easy to be conned into believing
what you already are predisposed to believe and it's even proportionally harder to come to the realization
that you've been conned. Given everything we've seen with the relationship between the cult and the 'cultee',
I find it difficult in the extreme to imagine anything that would result in him losing very many of
his followers. One can hope though for that day of reckoning.

Trump is a danger to the GOP on two levels. The obvious one is those who don't believe him are likely to leave or at least temporarily vote against the GOP. The other is that those who believe Trump decide to drop out of political participation. If all the elections are rigged and all of the candidates other than Trump are losers, why should his fans vote?

[Zonkerbl]

Yeah this is crazy. You've gotta believe that he's losing people on the margins - people who actually get their information from somewhere other than Trump himself. Even Fox News is reporting the truth about this.

Losing a few on the margins, sure. Remember though, it's really easy to be conned into believing
what you already are predisposed to believe and it's even proportionally harder to come to the realization
that you've been conned. Given everything we've seen with the relationship between the cult and the 'cultee',
I find it difficult in the extreme to imagine anything that would result in him losing very many of
his followers. One can hope though for that day of reckoning.

Trump is a danger to the GOP on two levels. The obvious one is those who don't believe him are likely to leave or at least temporarily vote against the GOP. The other is that those who believe Trump decide to drop out of political participation. If all the elections are rigged and all of the candidates other than Trump are losers, why should his fans vote?

Well, the plan now is to try and rig the elections so even when Trump loses, the GOP state legislature awards the electoral votes to him anyway. And then we'll officially be living in a totalitarian state.

[Zonkerbl]

can't believe you guys were yelling at me about Trumpism leading to fascism in 2016

I'm Jewish, it's not like I haven't seen this happen and studied it carefully so I can recognize the signs

It's not like I'm not part of a community that has studied all this very carefully so we can recognize the signs

No wonder Nate doesn't come around here anymore - he's won already. Why waste energy on persuasion? Next step is figuring out how to administrate camps for political prisoners. We've got the infrastructure for it already. Then if bullets for executing prisoners becomes too expensive, that's when you build the death camps. Let's hope the economy responds well to a totalitarian takeover of the US

Although if the Dem party is forced to start guerilla warfare against the Republicans, yeah that will probably tank the economy :/

[dobrojim]

I don’t remember yelling at anyone about such things. I will confess
to surprise at having the strength of cristo-fascism so clearly demonstrated
by what’s happened then and since.

Starting to read this now.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/dont-laugh-marjorie-taylor-greene/617971/

[Zonkerbl]

It was doc, he said I was frothing at the mouth

[FAH1223]

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[Zonkerbl]

what a circus the Dem party is

[verbal8]

Sinema only makes sense if you think of her as a future lobbyist.

[FAH1223]

what a circus the Dem party is

Sinema only makes sense if you think of her as a future lobbyist.

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[Zonkerbl]

I agree, call McConnell's bluff. Dems may incompetence their way into it anyway.

Ugh. This is the party we're trusting to combat GOP fascism. I'm not inspired with confidence.

[Zonkerbl]

Wisconsin Assembly Flagrantly Violates 1st Amendment

https://madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/wisconsin-assembly-passes-ban-on-teaching-critical-race-theory/article_1e53044a-8047-58c7-9560-368ae54fb588.html

I wish I was a schoolteacher in Milwaukee so I could be the first to violate this law and get it to the Supreme Court. I don't think even Kavanaugh would fall for this. Thomas probably will, that idiot.

Although I think you have to violate the law and then get punished for it, maybe they're just not going to enforce it.

Oh it hasn't passed the Senate yet. Well but the Senate is Republican controlled so it'll probably pass. They're enforcing it by docking your funding by 10%, so yeah. All it takes is one schoolteacher to teach CRT or one of the related thoughtcrime, not get punished by the school district, and then the legislature tries to punish them by reducing their funding, and bam lawsuit.

I wonder how the 1a works for government employees like teachers. Surely this has been litigated before.

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/973/rights-of-teachers

Oh no!

"Teachers asserting a First Amendment violation must now clear an additional hurdle, as a result of the Supreme Court’s decision in Garcetti v. Ceballos (2006). In Garcetti the Court ruled that public employees do not retain First Amendment protection for speech as part of their official job duties."

[Ruzious]

From the bottom of the article Zonk linked:

Banned terms
In testimony before a joint meeting of the Assembly and Senate education committees in August, Rep. Chuck Wichgers, R-Muskego, one of the co-authors of the bill to ban the teaching of critical race theory, outlined a list of additional terms and concepts that he said violate the Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution and would be prohibited subjects in the classroom under the bill:

Critical Race Theory (CRT)

Action Civics

Social Emotional Learning (SEL)

Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI)

Culturally responsive teaching

Abolitionist teaching

Affinity groups

Anti-racism

Anti-bias training

Anti-blackness

Anti-meritocracy

Obtuse meritocracy

Centering or de-centering

Collective guilt

Colorism

Conscious and unconscious bias

Critical ethnic studies

Critical pedagogy

Critical self-awareness

Critical self-reflection

Cultural appropriation/misappropriation

Cultural awareness

Cultural competence

Cultural proficiency

Cultural relevance

Cultural responsiveness

Culturally responsive practices

De-centering whiteness

Deconstruct knowledges

Diversity focused

Diversity training

Dominant discourses

Educational justice

Equitable

Equity

Examine “systems"

Free radical therapy

Free radical self/collective care

Hegemony

Identity deconstruction

Implicit/Explicit bias

Inclusivity education

Institutional bias

Institutional oppression

Internalized racial superiority

Internalized racism

Internalized white supremacy

Interrupting racism

Intersection

Intersectionality

Intersectional identities

Intersectional studies

Land acknowledgment

Marginalized identities

Marginalized/Minoritized/Under-represented communities

Microaggressions

Multiculturalism

Neo-segregation

Normativity

Oppressor vs. oppressed

Patriarchy

Protect vulnerable identities

Race essentialism

Racial healing

Racialized identity

Racial justice

Racial prejudice

Racial sensitivity training

Racial supremacy

Reflective exercises

Representation and inclusion

Restorative justice

Restorative practices

Social justice

Spirit murdering

Structural bias

Structural inequity

Structural racism

Systemic bias

Systemic oppression

Systemic racism

Systems of power and oppression

Unconscious bias

White fragility

White privilege

White social capital

White supremacy

Whiteness

Woke

[Zonkerbl]

From the bottom of the article Zonk linked:

Banned terms
In testimony before a joint meeting of the Assembly and Senate education committees in August, Rep. Chuck Wichgers, R-Muskego, one of the co-authors of the bill to ban the teaching of critical race theory, outlined a list of additional terms and concepts that he said violate the Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution and would be prohibited subjects in the classroom under the bill:

[snip!]

"White fragility legislation declares the idea of white fragility a thoughtcrime"

[Ruzious]

And that's from a state that Biden won. This is like something you'd expect in the 1950's in Alabama from George Wallace. We're in 2021 but going back in time to dem goodoldays.

[Zonkerbl]

And that's from a state that Biden won. This is like something you'd expect in the 1950's in Alabama from George Wallace. We're in 2021 but going back in time to dem goodoldays.

Well the legislature has been gerrymandered so the Republicans control it even though they lost the popular vote. Horrifying really.

[Zonkerbl]

It's just... I assume that legislation like "Government Censorship of Certain Thoughtcrimes in Education" is exactly the sort of thing the first amendment was designed to prohibit.