Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants)

[Andrew McCeltic]

People are allowed to make their own risk assessments. That’s important. And plenty of times as a country we do risk assessment badly.

BUT: in this case it does seem like there’s a “correct” answer - it’s like an algebra exam where half the people pick the wrong answer and are free to stick with it. But when everybody else yells “you dumb selfish ****, people are dying!”, it doesn’t work.

[zoyathedestroya]

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Can I get in on this action? I'm ready to get my booster!

[Fencer reregistered]

Glenn Greenwald is still valorizing Jonathon Isaac.

This is about as sane a version of the wrong side of the argument as one can find. Further, it's reasonably short, assuming one doesn't go past the paywall.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/an-nba-star-and-new-yorks-governor-8d1

[exculpatory]

Glenn Greenwald is still valorizing Jonathon Isaac.

This is about as sane a version of the wrong side of the argument as one can find. Further, it's reasonably short, assuming one doesn't go past the paywall.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/an-nba-star-and-new-yorks-governor-8d1

Sane but immoral.

[exculpatory]

ICUs at 100 percent capacity: See the hardest-hit hospitals in the U.S.
Early this month, Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta delayed elective surgeries and procedures. The reason: There were so many Covid-19 patients in the hospital's intensive care unit that there was just no room for anyone who isn't seriously ill.

But the unvaccinated who are flooding these ICUs sustained their “liberty as Americans.”

No words left.

[Curmudgeon]

Interesting article today in the NYT on the history of anti-vaxxers, going back to those who resisted George Washington's mandate that his troops be innoculated against smallpox. From the Times:

"In 1905, when the Supreme Court ruled against the Massachusetts pastor who did not want to take a smallpox vaccine, Justice John Marshall Harlan explained that the Constitution did not allow Americans always to behave however they chose. “Real liberty for all could not exist,” Harlan wrote in his majority opinion, if people could act “regardless of the injury that may be done to others.”

[canman1971]

Interesting article today in the NYT on the history of anti-vaxxers, going back to those who resisted George Washington's mandate that his troops be innoculated against smallpox. From the Times:

"In 1905, when the Supreme Court ruled against the Massachusetts pastor who did not want to take a smallpox vaccine, Justice John Marshall Harlan explained that the Constitution did not allow Americans always to behave however they chose. “Real liberty for all could not exist,” Harlan wrote in his majority opinion, if people could act “regardless of the injury that may be done to others.”

Interesting. There is precedent.

[GWVan]

Against the grain in here but a reasonable discussion of mandates and how other countries are handling them:
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[Curmudgeon]

Interesting. There is precedent.

Yes, the case is Jacobsen v. Massachusetts 197 U.S. 11 1905. It's pretty much on point.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280

[Andrew McCeltic]

Glenn Greenwald is still valorizing Jonathon Isaac.

This is about as sane a version of the wrong side of the argument as one can find. Further, it's reasonably short, assuming one doesn't go past the paywall.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/an-nba-star-and-new-yorks-governor-8d1

Sane but immoral.

Sane but wrong is a much better starting point than scared, uninformed and wrong.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Interesting article today in the NYT on the history of anti-vaxxers, going back to those who resisted George Washington's mandate that his troops be innoculated against smallpox. From the Times:

"In 1905, when the Supreme Court ruled against the Massachusetts pastor who did not want to take a smallpox vaccine, Justice John Marshall Harlan explained that the Constitution did not allow Americans always to behave however they chose. “Real liberty for all could not exist,” Harlan wrote in his majority opinion, if people could act “regardless of the injury that may be done to others.”

Interesting. There is precedent.

Absolutely there’s precedent- at the state level. Jacobsen had to pay only - in 1905’s money - a five dollar fine.

[Andrew McCeltic]

ICUs at 100 percent capacity: See the hardest-hit hospitals in the U.S.
Early this month, Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta delayed elective surgeries and procedures. The reason: There were so many Covid-19 patients in the hospital's intensive care unit that there was just no room for anyone who isn't seriously ill.

The “second-hand smoking” analogy is powerful to me. I’m scheduled to go in next month to get my now huge balls (thanks Moderna!) sculpted into an even more impressive profile and I’d hate to reschedule my crowning glory (I’m getting offers to be in porn) just because ddb rolled into the hospital and took the last bed.

[canman1971]

Interesting. There is precedent.

Yes, the case is Jacobsen v. Massachusetts 197 U.S. 11 1905. It's pretty much on point.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280

Great article. Peter Canellos used to write for the Boston Globe.

[Marley2Hendrix]

Right click image, open in new tab, click to magnify. The one thing I've wanted for months that I can't find is a breakdown of COVID deaths by age and comorbidity. If you are under 50 and healthy with no comorbidities, statistically speaking, dying of COVID is quite likely to be an exceptionally atypical outcome. Unfortunately, I do believe the percentage of people under 50 with one or more comorbidities (i.e., obesity, diabetes, anxiety/stress disorder, etc.) is probably depressingly high. Based on nothing more than numbers, I have reservations about mass vaccinating children. If not immuno-compromised, it would seem most over 50 should get vaccinated.



As an aside, two books that seem relevant to life and culture over the past 18 months:

Ernest Becker's Man's Denial of Death (https://www.amazon.com/Denial-Death-Ernest-Becker/dp/0684832402/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=mens+denial+of+death&qid=1633018597&sr=8-1)

The Population Bomb (https://www.amazon.com/Population-Bomb-Paul-R-Ehrlich/dp/B000EI3XOS/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=population+bomb&qid=1633018641&sr=8-1)

Lastly, it raises an eyebrow this has had no coverage:

https://pathologie-konferenz.de/en/

https://odysee.com/@en:a5/PK_Tot-durch-Impfung_english:a

Disclaimer - Not a medical professional/not pretending to be one. I got my second shot of Pfizer in March, primarily driven by two things - 1) I'm a psychologist and I work with a generally vulnerable population [prison settings] 2) I like to travel, and, around January, I heard horror stories of friends essentially getting extorted to pay large sums of money to prove they were negative for covid to travel out of some foreign countries [I also thought a vax passport situation likely would arise]. I wanted to avoid that mess.

ETA - of note, if you made a same breakdown of COVID deaths in healthier countries like Canada/Australia, it really highlights how unhealthy America is. If I recall correctly, I believe around 2/3rds of the COVID-19 deaths in Canada/Australia were attributable to individuals older than the average life expectancy for their respective countries (roughly 50% of all COVID deaths in the US have been individuals older than the US life expectancy of 78.54 y/o. It sounds callous, but it makes me think of Jurassic Park, nature, uh, finds a way).

[exculpatory]

Glenn Greenwald is still valorizing Jonathon Isaac.

This is about as sane a version of the wrong side of the argument as one can find. Further, it's reasonably short, assuming one doesn't go past the paywall.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/an-nba-star-and-new-yorks-governor-8d1

Sane but immoral.

Sane but wrong is a much better starting point than scared, uninformed and wrong.

Both true but your way might induce a few converts.
Go for it.

[exculpatory]

Sane but immoral.

Sane but wrong is a much better starting point than scared, uninformed and wrong.

True that.

[exculpatory]

ICUs at 100 percent capacity: See the hardest-hit hospitals in the U.S.
Early this month, Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta delayed elective surgeries and procedures. The reason: There were so many Covid-19 patients in the hospital's intensive care unit that there was just no room for anyone who isn't seriously ill.

The “second-hand smoking” analogy is powerful to me. I’m scheduled to go in next month to get my now huge balls (thanks Moderna!) sculpted into an even more impressive profile and I’d hate to reschedule my crowning glory (I’m getting offers to be in porn) just because ddb rolled into the hospital and took the last bed.

Cute, but hard to laugh.

[exculpatory]

Cancel

[exculpatory]

Sane but immoral.

Sane but wrong is a much better starting point than scared, uninformed and wrong.

True that.

[La Flame]

ICUs at 100 percent capacity: See the hardest-hit hospitals in the U.S.
Early this month, Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta delayed elective surgeries and procedures. The reason: There were so many Covid-19 patients in the hospital's intensive care unit that there was just no room for anyone who isn't seriously ill.

The “second-hand smoking” analogy is powerful to me. I’m scheduled to go in next month to get my now huge balls (thanks Moderna!) sculpted into an even more impressive profile and I’d hate to reschedule my crowning glory (I’m getting offers to be in porn) just because ddb rolled into the hospital and took the last bed.

Funny though how people like this think they are sooo morally superior and better people than unvaccinated, but I've never seen an unvaccinated person make fun or wish ill on the vaxed. Wishing to see people in a hospital lmao for real, what has the world come to. There's even people celebrating death of others just because they were unvaccinated, who knows for what reason.
Also fyi there's 107 VAERS reports of swollen testicles. And lots of cases are not reported on there. But **** those people who are ill for life because they don't fit your "vaccine is from the gods" agenda right?