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Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1181 » by spikeslovechild » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:11 pm

thenbaman wrote:The sixers will be just as good or better than last year with maxey running the show.


That is why I am personally in no rush to see Ben moved.

If a good offer is made for sure but otherwise why move him just for the sake of it when doing so doesn't really improve our title chances? Morey was clear the goal is title contention. I hope he sticks with it.

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Tomjas wrote:Why would Morey care?

He’s earning $10 million a year for 5 years with his main claim to fame being completely **** up the Chris Paul trade

He’s a hack that’s lucky to have a job


You do realize that our previous GM's were BC and Brand?

Morey does look like a guy who learns from his past mistakes + this is a very difficult situation for any GM. I don't think we'd be better off with some other guy.


Morey is cleaning up BC mess. Had he hit on Fultz this would have never happened we had the opportunity to draft Tatum and didn't not only didn't we draft Tatum but Brand then went on and brought in Horford who Morey also had to clean up the mess of.

Anyone here would rather still have Horford rather than Green? Still have Richardson rather than Curry? This Simmons situation is a long time coming and has nothing to do with Morey.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1182 » by davesilver » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:30 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
thenbaman wrote:The sixers will be just as good or better than last year with maxey running the show.


That is why I am personally in no rush to see Ben moved.

If a good offer is made for sure but otherwise why move him just for the sake of it when doing so doesn't really improve our title chances? Morey was clear the goal is title contention. I hope he sticks with it.

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Tomjas wrote:Why would Morey care?

He’s earning $10 million a year for 5 years with his main claim to fame being completely **** up the Chris Paul trade

He’s a hack that’s lucky to have a job


You do realize that our previous GM's were BC and Brand?

Morey does look like a guy who learns from his past mistakes + this is a very difficult situation for any GM. I don't think we'd be better off with some other guy.


Morey is cleaning up BC mess. Had he hit on Fultz this would have never happened we had the opportunity to draft Tatum and didn't not only didn't we draft Tatum but Brand then went on and brought in Horford who Morey also had to clean up the mess of.

Anyone here would rather still have Horford rather than Green? Still have Richardson rather than Curry? This Simmons situation is a long time coming and has nothing to do with Morey.


Thank you for bringing some much needed optimism.

In hindsight, I think you’re right that the Simmons situation was a long time coming. I believe the longer this situation plays out, the more Ben’s value will increase.

Ultimately we have the potential MVP in Embiid, future draft assets, tons of young talent, solid vets, 3rd option on a championship team (Tobias).

0 reason to rush into a lopsided trade with Ben where our return does not meet our demands.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1183 » by Negrodamus » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:33 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:We shouldn't be surprised that Ben Simmons fans want to see Ben Simmons play immediately, regardless of how detrimental it is to his value or the Sixers contention now and in the future.


Not me - I'm happy for Ben to get some away time to work on things like - FT's and Right Handed Shooting, any niggling injury's and especially to Detox all the Toxicity he's been dealing with.

My guess is he has a date in mind on when he may be prepared to return if Morey won't Trade him.
Just don't expect to much actual Playing if he does show up.


Yea, if only he had time to work on that this offseason, or the previous 6 offseasons (+ broken foot year). It's like asking a teacher to postpone the test after having 5 months to prepared with no new material added to the course.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1184 » by SixthStreet » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:36 pm

I am curious about what will happen if Simmons reports and plays to avoid fines but sleepwalks through games so I checked out Harden's Rockets numbers last year.

8 GP, 24.8 PPG, 10.4 AST, 5.1 REB, 7.5 FTA, .444/.347/.883 shooting splits

He didn't care and still put up raw numbers like that. My takeaway from this is that Simmons probably won't actually report. He will look so useless if he tries to halfass his way to his salary since most of his value is defensive and rebounding and that's effort driven. And we all know he cares what others think. He will get absolutely roasted by the fans and media if he shows up.

He'll probably average something like 6/6/6. Fitting for someone that wants to be demonized by the organization, fans and city to blaze his trail out.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1185 » by thenbaman » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:45 pm

Maxey will have a great attitude work and play hard and keep
on improving that's all we ever wanted from ben.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1186 » by Bum Adebayo » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:55 pm

That's all you can ask a player to do, work hard and try to improve, if in the end you are not talented enough it's not your fault and it is what it is, unlike our little primadonna Ben Simmons who is all talent with zero heart and work ethic. There is no merit on being talented, it's just genetics which you as a player have done nothing to obtain, it's pure luck. Working hard on the other hand is something you choose to do. You never praise a player just for being talented, the praise can only come from a player improving his game and from working hard to get to the next level.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1187 » by thenbaman » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:04 pm

I can't wait to see the team play this year win or lose.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1188 » by spikeslovechild » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:06 pm

SixthStreet wrote:I am curious about what will happen if Simmons reports and plays to avoid fines but sleepwalks through games so I checked out Harden's Rockets numbers last year.

8 GP, 24.8 PPG, 10.4 AST, 5.1 REB, 7.5 FTA, .444/.347/.883 shooting splits

He didn't care and still put up raw numbers like that. My takeaway from this is that Simmons probably won't actually report. He will look so useless if he tries to halfass his way to his salary since most of his value is defensive and rebounding and that's effort driven. And we all know he cares what others think. He will get absolutely roasted by the fans and media if he shows up.

He'll probably average something like 6/6/6. Fitting for someone that wants to be demonized by the organization, fans and city to blaze his trail out.


He is too much of a coward to go on the court and pay the price with fans.

It's why if he wants to demand a trade and the situation is not salvageable him sitting out and staying away from the team isn't a bad thing. For one he's burned a ton of bridges how many players on the team are sympathetic to Ben right now? Two we aren't in a situation where we are forced to deal with the distraction of Ben being here everyday sulking and wearing sublimal message tshirts not playing in games. Three fans don't have to watch him not give us his all and half ass it around the court. From a financial perspective it also makes it much easier as well because he won't be getting paid either. The owner isn't going to care.

People don't really get him staying away from the team is a massive favor for us and the team in general. His trade demand is a story now but it will die down as the season begins and new storylines are created especially if the Sixers win. Him sitting out MAKES IT EASIER for the team to play hardball should this situation continue to drag out.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1189 » by Negrodamus » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:37 pm

Read on Twitter
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Honestly, if we treat this like an injury year for Kyrie and pray that there are no COVID restrictions next year, then we completely obliterate this trade.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1190 » by Sixerscan » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:40 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Honestly, if we treat this like an injury year for Kyrie and pray that there are no COVID restrictions next year, then we completely obliterate this trade.

Didn't Durant already nix this?
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1191 » by Negrodamus » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:42 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=20

Honestly, if we treat this like an injury year for Kyrie and pray that there are no COVID restrictions next year, then we completely obliterate this trade.

Didn't Durant already nix this?


I'm just passing along any unsubstantiated crumb of information on this hell ride. I'm about to dip into Vin Fosh territory.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1192 » by Stanford » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:44 pm

What does "multiple team officials" even mean? The head of scouting for the Mavs? President of marketing for the Hornets? It says right in the report: they're just speculating.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1193 » by SixersFanInNY » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:51 pm

syntax wrote:


Kwame refers to many NBAers faking injuries if they dont want to report. While this is hardly surprising, can anybody guess which players he is referring to?
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1194 » by Stanford » Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:53 pm

On the trade itself: I'd be more than a little queasy trading one guy we can't be sure even cares about basketball for another guy we can't be sure even cares about basketball.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1195 » by Sixersftw » Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:10 pm

Stanford wrote:On the trade itself: I'd be more than a little queasy trading one guy we can't be sure even cares about basketball for another guy we can't be sure even cares about basketball.

Well they both don't care about basketball but one of them is also very bad at half court basketball. Idk, whats the vaccination rules for PA?
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1196 » by Stanford » Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:13 pm

Sixersftw wrote:Well they both don't care about basketball but one of them is also very bad at half court basketball.


I also think it would cost picks or Maxey, so I'm not eager.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1197 » by KramerDSP » Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:15 pm

I am convinced Kyrie will ultimately retire before his contract is completed. No interest in Kyrie the person, even though Kyrie the player is a perfect fit for Embiid. It’d be one headache after another.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1198 » by Sixersftw » Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:24 pm

Stanford wrote:
Sixersftw wrote:Well they both don't care about basketball but one of them is also very bad at half court basketball.


I also think it would cost picks or Maxey, so I'm not eager.

That's fair. I'm operating as if it was at most 1 pick and I'm still not super into it. Talent wise it would be crazy but, personality wise, it would also be ... crazy.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1199 » by Rastas » Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:27 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Rastas wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:We shouldn't be surprised that Ben Simmons fans want to see Ben Simmons play immediately, regardless of how detrimental it is to his value or the Sixers contention now and in the future.


Not me - I'm happy for Ben to get some away time to work on things like - FT's and Right Handed Shooting, any niggling injury's and especially to Detox all the Toxicity he's been dealing with.

My guess is he has a date in mind on when he may be prepared to return if Morey won't Trade him.
Just don't expect to much actual Playing if he does show up.


Yea, if only he had time to work on that this offseason, or the previous 6 offseasons (+ broken foot year). It's like asking a teacher to postpone the test after having 5 months to prepared with no new material added to the course.


Ben was on court training as hard as anyone this offseason , now all his NBA training partners are back with their teams he can concentrate on individual skills.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V 

Post#1200 » by Samson » Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:50 pm

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syntax wrote:


Kwame refers to many NBAers faking injuries if they dont want to report. While this is hardly surprising, can anybody guess which players he is referring to?


I actually typed out a post about this and deleted it because I figured, "Ahh nobody cares" ... I can't speak to people faking injuries in the NBA ... although several teammates called out Albert Haynesworth of the NFL for faking injuries before. But as far as Ben Simmons, I think this is a real, actual risk - he can use this to his advantage *absolutely* ... I used the example of back injuries and didn't even remember he has a history of them ... I myself have had major back surgery before I turned 30. I blew my knee wrestling in HS several times, had major surgery (done by the then-Flyers team Doctor/surgeon! at CHoP!) - and it really was never the same. I spent the next decade+++ ruining my back trying to protect my knee. I was lucky that WHEN my back went, it was identifiable and verifiable ... and now with my surgery, as soon as I tell people what I had done to me, they're like, "OHHH..." - in my general area of NJ back before I moved to FL, I regularly had people say -"OH *YOU'RE* that guy!!!" ... but a huge percentage of back injuries are not diagnosable or unverifiable but certainly, the people are in real pain. All he has to do is play ONE GAME, step on the court, a little while later (particularly after *doing* something) awkwardly wince and hold his back...

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OHHH IT HURTS IT HURTS IT'S A DEEP DEEP PAIN, OHHHH NOOO, ALL IS LOST!!!

And Kwame is right ... with a Doctor saying "OH NO HE'S SERIOUSLY HURT, HE CAN'T PLAY!!!" in the short term, he's getting paid. In the medium term, he's fighting about it and getting paid. In the long term, he almost certainly gets paid until he's traded. I think that IF he does this, he might actually put other teams off him... but there's always someone who says "Oh he just is doing what he's gotta do... he can come play for us no problem!"

It's a fascinating situation all around. I went from being one of his biggest "fans" and defenders to just wondering how someone who is a 7ft tall All-NBA world-class athlete can literally be the new definition of "punk biatch" ... And contrary to his pity party, this is *NO ONE'S FAULT BUT HIS OWN* ... he wants to be part of LeBron and Paul's Player Empowerment Movement - with certain undertones I need not mention - he can have it. Enjoy ruining your reputation for life. I am not sure what that absolute *genius* jersey-salesperson Agent of yours is telling you - in most of the world, you don't get paid if you don't go to work. You can Kardashian yourself all you want, decide you're an Influencer , whatever. But you don't get your basketball pay check if you refuse to play basketball...

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