NBA protocols/Covid/Vaccine - Discussion thread

[xdrta+]

Man, Jonathan Issac is a very articulate and well versed young man. Encourage everyone to go listen to his stance on why he decided not to get vaccinated. Magic got themselves a gem, he's the type of guy that should be president of the players union.

It's nice that he's articulate, too bad he's wrong about his vaccine information. Lucky for him he works in Florida, where they do as little as possible to try and stop the spread of the virus. Banning mask mandates in schools, good grief.

[TheAlanParsons]

You guys are aware that by far the most vax resistant group is the black community, right? Because through experience they (rightly) don't trust the government. And breaking things down by education level, the most resistant are people with PhDs. The next most are just HS graduates. The people in the middle are just eating this crap up. Just goes to show that a little education is a dangerous thing.

[FNQ]

Read on Twitter

The only large scale randomized control trial suggests natural immunity is stronger (though perhaps variance exists): https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

"In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher."

"“The differences are huge,” says Thålin, although she cautions that the numbers for infections and other events analyzed for the comparisons were “small.” For instance, the higher hospitalization rate in the 32,000-person analysis was based on just eight hospitalizations in a vaccinated group and one in a previously infected group. And the 13-fold increased risk of infection in the same analysis was based on just 238 infections in the vaccinated population, less than 1.5% of the more than 16,000 people, versus 19 reinfections among a similar number of people who once had SARS-CoV-2."

2 problems with this:

1) "Perhaps variance exists"? It of course exists. Immune systems are not all built the same, the same strength, the same scope.. there is an insanely large variance. Just like height, shade of skin, shade of hair color... its closer to being unique than it is finite.

2) This above study - assuming all the science is above board - would be easily repeatable data that most of medicine would get behind, as a strong natural immunity, at least relative to the vaccine, would obviously be a preferable option. So why is it when we zoom out from this study, this isnt what's being seen? Why isn't this repeatable? From the article:

In another analysis, the researchers compared more than 14,000 people who had a confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection and were still unvaccinated with an equivalent number of previously infected people who received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The team found that the unvaccinated group was twice as likely to be reinfected as the singly vaccinated.

So I take issue with the presentation of this study being the *only* one when they literally reference a conflicting one in the article.

[Hsker4Life]

Man, Jonathan Issac is a very articulate and well versed young man. Encourage everyone to go listen to his stance on why he decided not to get vaccinated. Magic got themselves a gem, he's the type of guy that should be president of the players union.

It's nice that he's articulate, too bad he's wrong about his vaccine information. Lucky for him he works in Florida, where they do as little as possible to try and stop the spread of the virus. Banning mask mandates in schools, good grief.

Mandating children wear masks all day in school is more outrageous than banning that idea.

[xdrta+]

Man, Jonathan Issac is a very articulate and well versed young man. Encourage everyone to go listen to his stance on why he decided not to get vaccinated. Magic got themselves a gem, he's the type of guy that should be president of the players union.

It's nice that he's articulate, too bad he's wrong about his vaccine information. Lucky for him he works in Florida, where they do as little as possible to try and stop the spread of the virus. Banning mask mandates in schools, good grief.

Mandating children wear masks all day in school is more outrageous than banning that idea.

Sure it's outrageous, if you don't want to protect children who aren't eligible for vaccination. Why wouldn't you want to protect children?

[Sharcm1]

I just want to know why the NYC and San Fran vaccine requirements don’t apply to visiting teams players who aren’t vaccinated

[FNQ]

This is a little different but I live an area that was affected by the BP Oil Spill in 2010. They were paying a lot of people good money to help with the cleanup. And now 11 years later I hear radio ads everyday about a class action lawsuit for those that were diagnosed with cancer or suffering from other issues. You just never know.

As far as vaccines go just think about the swine flu vax and what problems it caused.

Ok so let me explain why these situations are vastly different.

For the oil spill: the oil was not sterile. It was not only not sterile, it was the exact opposite of that. We had no idea what the oil combined with. Oil can not only kill marine life, but it can break down elements of the corpses that remain present in the oil. So anything that existed in the ocean - be it a poisonous marine life body, an infected marine life body, etc.. could be present in the oil. Since we have a pretty good idea that oil itself doesn't cause cancer, its a logical conclusion, yes? Especially since those people would not be immediately treated for any specific thing.. because again, it was not sterile, so we could not prepare for it. If we did know exactly what was causing this, it could have been addressed and possibly taken care of.

The swine flu vax issue? You know were past all that ya? There were several concurrent diseases going around but everything was assumed to be swine flu, because they didnt have all the information/tech we have now. It doesn't apply to whats happening now. Its like refusing to get in a car because someone out in the world crashed their car 40 years ago..

But is there something specific about the swine flu stuff that youre connecting here? I'm looking at it generally.. what specifically about the swine flu vaccine and the surrounding issues is the concern?

[Hsker4Life]

It's nice that he's articulate, too bad he's wrong about his vaccine information. Lucky for him he works in Florida, where they do as little as possible to try and stop the spread of the virus. Banning mask mandates in schools, good grief.

Mandating children wear masks all day in school is more outrageous than banning that idea.

Sure it's outrageous, if you don't want to protect children who aren't eligible for vaccination. Why wouldn't you want to protect children?

Mask mandates in schools aren’t about protecting the children. The flu is more harmful to kids than COVID is, yet we aren’t trying to force kids to wear masks for flu protection.

And in a classroom setting for 8 hours a day, no mask outside of an N95 is doing any good. These cloth masks that kids very rarely wear correctly aren’t stopping COVID.

[dhsilv2]

You guys are aware that by far the most vax resistant group is the black community, right? Because through experience they (rightly) don't trust the government. And breaking things down by education level, the most resistant are people with PhDs. The next most are just HS graduates. The people in the middle are just eating this crap up. Just goes to show that a little education is a dangerous thing.

If you believe a "study" for an online poll where respondents self identified education level and even then it is indicating that ~20% of a population of 1% of the country are in this "most skeptical" group.

[xdrta+]

Mandating children wear masks all day in school is more outrageous than banning that idea.

Sure it's outrageous, if you don't want to protect children who aren't eligible for vaccination. Why wouldn't you want to protect children?

Mask mandates in schools aren’t about protecting the children. The flu is more harmful to kids than COVID is, yet we aren’t trying to force kids to wear masks for flu protection.

And in a classroom setting for 8 hours a day, no mask outside of an N95 is doing any good. These cloth masks that kids very rarely wear correctly aren’t stopping COVID.

Of course mask mandates are about protecting the children. And saying "what about flu" is just silly. But I'm done before someone says this thread isn't about masks. Anit-vaxxers are hopeless anyway.

[TheAlanParsons]

You guys are aware that by far the most vax resistant group is the black community, right? Because through experience they (rightly) don't trust the government. And breaking things down by education level, the most resistant are people with PhDs. The next most are just HS graduates. The people in the middle are just eating this crap up. Just goes to show that a little education is a dangerous thing.

If you believe a "study" for an online poll where respondents self identified education level and even then it is indicating that ~20% of a population of 1% of the country are in this "most skeptical" group.

I'm sure you just lap up any studies that agree with your beliefs.

[Hsker4Life]

Sure it's outrageous, if you don't want to protect children who aren't eligible for vaccination. Why wouldn't you want to protect children?

Mask mandates in schools aren’t about protecting the children. The flu is more harmful to kids than COVID is, yet we aren’t trying to force kids to wear masks for flu protection.

And in a classroom setting for 8 hours a day, no mask outside of an N95 is doing any good. These cloth masks that kids very rarely wear correctly aren’t stopping COVID.

Of course mask mandates are about protecting the children. And saying "what about flu" is just silly. But I'm done before someone says this thread isn't about masks. Anit-vaxxers are hopeless anyway.

Anti-vaxxer? What are you blabbering about? I’m very pro-vaccine. I’m just anti-school-masks-mandate. I’ve already given you some of my reasons.

1. Kids are at low risk from COVID
2. Masks in schools don’t significantly slow the spread of COVID in students

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.19.21257467v1.full

[FNQ]

Mandating children wear masks all day in school is more outrageous than banning that idea.

Sure it's outrageous, if you don't want to protect children who aren't eligible for vaccination. Why wouldn't you want to protect children?

Mask mandates in schools aren’t about protecting the children. The flu is more harmful to kids than COVID is, yet we aren’t trying to force kids to wear masks for flu protection.

And in a classroom setting for 8 hours a day, no mask outside of an N95 is doing any good. These cloth masks that kids very rarely wear correctly aren’t stopping COVID.

Nope.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/148/3/e2020042929

Its super wordy but let me know where you have questions or concerns with the compiled data

[TheAlanParsons]

Sure it's outrageous, if you don't want to protect children who aren't eligible for vaccination. Why wouldn't you want to protect children?

Mask mandates in schools aren’t about protecting the children. The flu is more harmful to kids than COVID is, yet we aren’t trying to force kids to wear masks for flu protection.

And in a classroom setting for 8 hours a day, no mask outside of an N95 is doing any good. These cloth masks that kids very rarely wear correctly aren’t stopping COVID.

Nope.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/148/3/e2020042929

Its super wordy but let me know where you have questions or concerns with the compiled data

That organization also believes that boys can be girls for real, and vice versa, if they have the insane belief that they were born in the wrong body. So don't ask me or anyone else to assume they are capable of rational analysis.

[Hsker4Life]

Sure it's outrageous, if you don't want to protect children who aren't eligible for vaccination. Why wouldn't you want to protect children?

Mask mandates in schools aren’t about protecting the children. The flu is more harmful to kids than COVID is, yet we aren’t trying to force kids to wear masks for flu protection.

And in a classroom setting for 8 hours a day, no mask outside of an N95 is doing any good. These cloth masks that kids very rarely wear correctly aren’t stopping COVID.

Nope.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/148/3/e2020042929

Its super wordy but let me know where you have questions or concerns with the compiled data

[FNQ]

That organization also believes that boys can be girls for real, and vice versa, if they have the insane belief that they were born in the wrong body. So don't ask me or anyone else to assume they are capable of rational analysis.

Hey werent you the guy pushing a random, uncertified online poll as some sort of evidence?

[FNQ]

Mask mandates in schools aren’t about protecting the children. The flu is more harmful to kids than COVID is, yet we aren’t trying to force kids to wear masks for flu protection.

And in a classroom setting for 8 hours a day, no mask outside of an N95 is doing any good. These cloth masks that kids very rarely wear correctly aren’t stopping COVID.

Nope.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/148/3/e2020042929

Its super wordy but let me know where you have questions or concerns with the compiled data

Ok.. whats your question? I like that RSV was included, certainly not to increase numbers, but go on

Also a source would be nice. I showed you mine.. based on 250k COVID cases in people under the age of 18 and over 2 million influenza cases.

[TheAlanParsons]

That organization also believes that boys can be girls for real, and vice versa, if they have the insane belief that they were born in the wrong body. So don't ask me or anyone else to assume they are capable of rational analysis.

Hey werent you the guy pushing a random, uncertified online poll as some sort of evidence?

Is that all you got?

[FNQ]

That organization also believes that boys can be girls for real, and vice versa, if they have the insane belief that they were born in the wrong body. So don't ask me or anyone else to assume they are capable of rational analysis.

Hey werent you the guy pushing a random, uncertified online poll as some sort of evidence?

Is that all you got?

I mean, its a far better counter than "I dont like one of their other opinions, so this hard data you're presenting doesn't count"

Because what I'm showing is that you are working backwards from the answer you want it to be in both cases, and then denying it if the data doesnt line up with your misguided hopes. Whereas I'm just following the data.

[TheAlanParsons]

Hey werent you the guy pushing a random, uncertified online poll as some sort of evidence?

Is that all you got?

I mean, its a far better counter than "I dont like one of their other opinions, so this hard data you're presenting doesn't count"

Because what I'm showing is that you are working backwards from the answer you want it to be in both cases, and then denying it if the data doesnt line up with your misguided hopes. Whereas I'm just following the data.

Do you deny that blacks are by far the most against this vax? And thus they will be by far the most punished by these mandates? Doesn't that qualify as racism with the BLM crowd?