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[jbk1234]

Morey didn't have a good hand here, but man, did he play it poorly.

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Finally honest? I indicated Brogdon misses a healthy number of games which is empirically correct.

I think you are confusing me with another poster....

Actually you are the correct poster as your comment was an obvious reply to the post above the original and an apparent devaluation comment on Brogdon and I asked you if this is true then why do you(Philly fans) want him? Which is a fair question to ask.

2021 season Brogdon played 56 games
Simmons played 58 games

Come on now...Let's be fair.

Using 2021 season (only) is a misrepresentation.

Going back to 2016-2017 Brogdon has played in (75, 48, 64, 54 and 56 games). You can count on his missing 20-25 games a year every year.

One of the main reasons why the Bucks let him go to Indy was his health.

[doctor him]

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I don't think that changes a thing.

Simmons will get moved when a suitable offer comes in and not before.

No one is going to say "Oh well...I guess we need to take a role player and a late first type of offer now."

We all know where we're at and nothing's changed.

[Ballerhogger]

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At this point is how 76ers start up to all star break. if they are losing joel wont be happy about it.

[jbk1234]

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I don't think that changes a thing.

Simmons will get moved when a suitable offer comes in and not before.

No one is going to say "Oh well...I guess we need to take a role player and a late first type of offer now."

We all know where we're at and nothing's changed.

To the extent there was still some hope that Ben could come back without it detrimentally impacting team chemistry, I think that just died.

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[Texas Chuck]

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Embiid saying this doesn't make it true. Butler wanted to sign with Miami, not Philly. This was not Philly saying we'd rather have Hoford than Butler.

I mean reality still has to matter here.

[jbk1234]

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Embiid saying this doesn't make it true. Butler wanted to sign with Miami, not Philly. This was not Philly saying we'd rather have Hoford than Butler.

I mean reality still has to matter here.

I think the veracity, or lack thereof, the statement is secondary to the fact that Biid is making it publicly.

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[mademan]

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I don't think that changes a thing.

Simmons will get moved when a suitable offer comes in and not before.

No one is going to say "Oh well...I guess we need to take a role player and a late first type of offer now."

We all know where we're at and nothing's changed.

no doubt, but it's only been 2 days and the media questions have been Ben Simmons dominant. After every loss, media members will question Embiid if they have enough, did he talk to Ben Simmons, is he coming back, what's management saying...etc. If Embiid cant decline answering the questions now, what's he gonna say after a bad loss?

There's no way this doesnt stay a running theme throughout the season and become a huge distraction and talking point. If Philly management is ok with that, then more power to them. I wouldnt even be surprised if Paul/Klutch is/are telling reporters to keep asking these questions in exchange for potential scoops.

[Texas Chuck]

Okay I guess, but you indicated Morey misplayed his hand when he had nothing to do with the signing of Horford or Joel running his mouth something he's done from day 1.

The situation is terrible and blame belongs in multiple places without question including Morey, but Ben Simmons is still the guy who got them to this specific point.

[jbk1234]

Okay I guess, but you indicated Morey misplayed his hand when he had nothing to do with the signing of Horford or Joel running his mouth something he's done from day 1.

The situation is terrible and blame belongs in multiple places without question including Morey, but Ben Simmons is still the guy who got them to this specific point.

If only Biid eventually making unhelpful public statements was in anyway foreseeable.

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Didnt see this part. Embiid airing it out

[tidho]

I don't think that changes a thing.

Simmons will get moved when a suitable offer comes in and not before.

No one is going to say "Oh well...I guess we need to take a role player and a late first type of offer now."

We all know where we're at and nothing's changed.

I think this is true. That doesn't mean things won't change though. As some point the team and Embiid specifically are going to get frustrated by this. At some point you're risking him wanting out if you just let the situation rot inside the organization.

Step 1 Simmons has to prove he's willing to give up money to stay away, but if he does then its the Sixers on the clock.

[cavsfanatic]

I don't think that changes a thing.

Simmons will get moved when a suitable offer comes in and not before.

No one is going to say "Oh well...I guess we need to take a role player and a late first type of offer now."

We all know where we're at and nothing's changed.

I think this is true. That doesn't mean things won't change though. As some point the team and Embiid specifically are going to get frustrated by this. At some point you're risking him wanting out if you just let the situation rot inside the organization.

Step 1 Simmons has to prove he's willing to give up money to stay away, but if he does then its the Sixers on the clock.

There is now way in hell he's coming back to play for Philly, anyone that believes that is delusional.

[Helsbyte]

Finally honest? I indicated Brogdon misses a healthy number of games which is empirically correct.

I think you are confusing me with another poster....

Actually you are the correct poster as your comment was an obvious reply to the post above the original and an apparent devaluation comment on Brogdon and I asked you if this is true then why do you(Philly fans) want him? Which is a fair question to ask.

2021 season Brogdon played 56 games
Simmons played 58 games

Come on now...Let's be fair.

Using 2021 season (only) is a misrepresentation.

Going back to 2016-2017 Brogdon has played in (75, 48, 64, 54 and 56 games). You can count on his missing 20-25 games a year every year.

One of the main reasons why the Bucks let him go to Indy was his health.

Why did you only post Brogdon's last 5 years and not Simmons last 5 as comparison? Here let me.


Simmons Brogdon
2016 0 (missed season) 75
2017 81 48
2018 79 64
2019 57 54
2020 58 56

TOTALS 275 297


So over the span of both players career(5 years each) Brogdon has played in more games than Simmons and you would have us believe Brogdon is more injury prone of the two. Over the past 2 season there is only a 5 game difference between the 2. Maybe I am not the one cherry picking stats.......just saying.

[doctor him]

I don't think that changes a thing.

Simmons will get moved when a suitable offer comes in and not before.

No one is going to say "Oh well...I guess we need to take a role player and a late first type of offer now."

We all know where we're at and nothing's changed.

I think this is true. That doesn't mean things won't change though. As some point the team and Embiid specifically are going to get frustrated by this. At some point you're risking him wanting out if you just let the situation rot inside the organization.

Step 1 Simmons has to prove he's willing to give up money to stay away, but if he does then its the Sixers on the clock.

Anything "can" change in the future.

I do however enjoy the constant (and perhaps "hopeful") speculation from other fanbases that this scenario would spin into Embiid wanting out literally a month after signing his extension. (Should we speculate whether Durant is tired of Kyrie now too?).

Simmons wants to be dealt now, but that's not happening. He can pout or whatever, but the Sixers aren't going to take a bad deal. Moreover, the fanbase is fine with letting Simmons sit. He's the "bad guy" in this situation for leaking out the "fans" as one of his many, many, many excuses over the past couple of couple months.

If we get to the all-star break and the Sixers are in the 7th seed for example, then that might change, but that won't happen because:

1. Even without Simmons they are a 4 seed at worst.
2. Some other team with big dreams to make a playoff or make a playoff run (Portland, Sacramento, Minny, Cleveland, Chicago, etc...) is going to start out slow. Someone will talk themselves into paying close to market value for a 25 year old all star to sell their fanbase. A deal like that will buy an embattled GM another 12 -18 months.
3. Simmons (himself) isn't built to take the heat. Well before January, he's going to go to Klutch and tell them to make a deal happen. Rich P. will pull some off the books favor ("If you make this deal happen, then when _________ comes up as a free agent we'll make sure we don't forget your coming through for us here.")

But there's no pressure from the Sixers side on this until you start making reservations for Valentine's Day dinner.

[basketballwacko2]

Ben and Curry for Brogdon and then sabonis to a third team and the return to Philly

This would be an easy NO from the Pacers. Sabonis has more trade value than Simmons does right now. It is not even close. Then you want the Pacers to add Brogdon for Curry????? You can break the trade down any way you want. If you are adding Sabonis with Brogdon it is a NO.

9th seed

There’s literally nobody on your roster not available for Simmons

First let me make this clear, I don't even want ben simmons, 2nd this is a guy who says he will never play for your team again! You leverage is gone if you just tell him to sit at home the league may well arbitrate that his contract is voided and he becomes a FA next year. IDK that it will happen but it could, by next year I mean 22-23. In that case you get nothing. I wouldn't trade Brogdon or Sabonis for Ben because I've seen this show before, player demands trade and you have to dump him.

At this point it's coming to where you get what you can and call it a win. If you get out of his contract and get some positive assets you have to salvage as much as possible this is the 2nd #1 overall pick that has gone bad for Philly. They didn't get much for Fultz, the longer they wait the less they'll get for Ben.

[LAL1947]

Morey didn't have a good hand here, but man, did he play it poorly.

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I don't get it. What has Morey got to do with any of this or that tweet? The only thing you can fault him for is trying to trade Ben for Harden at the start of the season... which any other GM would have done too. :shrug:

Unrelated PS: Since you're a moderator, may I request you to add a nice :shrug: smiley? We need one.

[doctor him]

Actually you are the correct poster as your comment was an obvious reply to the post above the original and an apparent devaluation comment on Brogdon and I asked you if this is true then why do you(Philly fans) want him? Which is a fair question to ask.

2021 season Brogdon played 56 games
Simmons played 58 games

Come on now...Let's be fair.

Using 2021 season (only) is a misrepresentation.

Going back to 2016-2017 Brogdon has played in (75, 48, 64, 54 and 56 games). You can count on his missing 20-25 games a year every year.

One of the main reasons why the Bucks let him go to Indy was his health.

Why did you only post Brogdon's last 5 years and not Simmons last 5 as comparison? Here let me.


Simmons Brogdon
2016 0 (missed season) 75
2017 81 48
2018 79 64
2019 57 54
2020 58 56

TOTALS 275 297


So over the span of both players career(5 years each) Brogdon has played in more games than Simmons and you would have us believe Brogdon is more injury prone of the two. Over the past 2 season there is only a 5 game difference between the 2. Maybe I am not the one cherry picking stats.......just saying.

Simmons broke a foot (rookies), had a knee (during the pandemic) and a back. Only the back injury would concern me as something chronic.

Brogdon is always hurt. Every season for the last 4 years and lots of different stuff. You want me to list them? Glad you asked.

DATE DESCRIPTION
04/29/2021 Hamstring
04/02/2021 Hip
03/22/2021 Back
02/27/2021 Knee
08/11/2020 Neck
08/05/2020 Neck
07/31/2020 Cervical Strain
03/04/2020 Hip
01/25/2020 Concussion
01/22/2020 Laceration
12/31/2019 Back
12/30/2019 Left Hamstring
12/23/2019 Groin
12/07/2019 Hand
11/15/2019 Back
03/15/2019 Heel
03/02/2019 Heel
02/22/2019 Foot
01/28/2019 Sternum
12/17/2018 Hamstring
12/14/2018 Hamstring
02/01/2018 Torn Left Quadricep Tendon
01/26/2018 Sore Right Calf
10/23/2017 Sprained Left Ankle

[jbk1234]

Morey didn't have a good hand here, but man, did he play it poorly.

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I don't get it. What has Morey got to do with any of this or that tweet? The only thing you can fault him for is trying to trade Ben for Harden at the start of the season... which any other GM would have done too. :shrug:

Unrelated PS: Since you're a moderator, may I request you to add a nice :shrug: smiley? We need one.

If you're going to take a hard line, if you're going to insist on a max return or nothing, you need to game out what that's likely to look like if things don't go your way. You can't engage in denialism.

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[basketballwacko2]

nope morey already said no. it has to be brogdon and turner for me. turner and sabonis would be even better while morey adds ben and picks.

Ben and Curry for Brogdon and then sabonis to a third team and the return to Philly

This would be an easy NO from the Pacers. Sabonis has more trade value than Simmons does right now. It is not even close. Then you want the Pacers to add Brogdon for Curry????? You can break the trade down any way you want. If you are adding Sabonis with Brogdon it is a NO.

I agree with you on this, I don't want Simmons. I can't figure out how to value him, he's a SF who can't shoot, or a 6'10'' PG, which is ok but he still can't shoot. I would not give Brogdon and a #1 for him as someone claimed the Pacers offered.