Joel Embiid: “We got rid of Jimmy, just to make sure he needed the ball in his hands”

[art_tatum]

Lol the 76ers didnt offer to pay jimmy it doesnt matter what 'jimmys reason for leaving is' if the 76ers never offered a max, or at least according to reports rescinded the offer once free agency started.

So why did they rescind the max offer? Is the real question and it can be possible its because they were going forward with simmons as the guy with the ball.

[Pointgod]

Joel Embiid dealing with the Simmons situation

[Jabroni Lames]

Jimmy tells you candidly why he left.. from his own mouth..

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The fact that people just think Embiid is spitting truth may be part of the reason Simmons wants to get out of there.

Player's never say publicly that it's "about the money". The real reason Butler was pissed at Minny because Glen Davis gave both Wiggins and KAT 5 year max deals, but they would only entertain a 4-year deal with Butler because of his age. Sixers apparently felt the same way, or maybe worse. They never say it's about the money, but it almost always is.

[TheNewEra]

It's clear you have a narrative in your head alreayd, and are being stubborn, just because it didn't come from Jimmy's mouth. You realize people can still withhold information. Politicians do it all the time. Doctor's sugarcoat medical results often. Just because Jimmy didn't actually say it doesn't make it true. Maybe Jimmy didn't want to say it, because Joel told him not to. He knew that if Jimmy said that it would create a rift that would make Joel upset even more (because you know the media would ask for comment from Joel), and then it would make the last two seasons more awkward. Jimmy, JJ and Joel are good friends. You dont' think friends will protect Joel, so as not to make his life harder?

So it’s more logical to push your anti-Simmons narrative than take the words of someone that was there and spoke about the issue openly?

This is just like the Kyrie stuff lol when the media or fans hate you then anything can be twisted into a story.

You know you're doing the same thing by not believing the other person in Joel right? Joel held back for the betterment of the team all this time. Now that Ben has started saying he can't play with Jo, Jo is telling the truth about what actually happened. If Ben was still on the team, this information would never have gotten out.

Anti Simmons? Please tell me, are the majority of people pro Simmons at this point? Do you see anything in Simmons character, or ability as a player right now, for people to be pro Simmons? Everything he has done this summer paints him in a terrible light. When he was on the team, all I wanted was for him to get better as a player. To be more assertive, to take a few jumpers. Every time he would have a 25+ point game I was excited, but over the years I came to realize that he didn't' have it in him. I bought those summer videos the first few years hook, line and sinker. I then noticed, that it was all a ploy to change the narrative and get the media off his back. I gave Ben every chance he needed, and so did the Sixers as an organization. That includes Joel changing his game, the team not signing ball handlers because it would alienate Ben, and the previous regime **** on Joel, and siding with Ben.

Joel makes a statement that the front office got rid of Jimmy to appease Ben and keep the ball in his hands. Jimmy tells YOU and the world in a interview the situation happened with Ben being upset and rightfully so about what happen. I don’t think Joel is lying the ball handling stuff was a issue and hell everyone knew it could be before and after the trade for Butler but the argument was is this the major reason Butler left/not brought back. To that there is no indication it played a major role.

Here is the best part =Jimmy said that it was all or nothing by the end of the year. He even suggested to Brown that they could find a way to blend ball handling duties between TJ/Ben/Butler but was told don’t worry about. So as a organization you are saying they went from demoting Ben to completely taking his concerns with ball handling to remove Butler as top priority.

Didn’t know Simmons had that much power in the organization especially since after Butler leaving the following year it’s the James Harden trade rumors.

Definitely anti Simmons narrative running around a bit. He’s handled the situation in a poor manor considering his contract but at this point the 76ers handling as a organization has looked insane between Doc interviews and Embiid passive aggression

[IAMZOOTED2]

Jimmy tells you candidly why he left.. from his own mouth..

Watch on YouTube

The fact that people just think Embiid is spitting truth may be part of the reason Simmons wants to get out of there.

Player's never say publicly that it's "about the money". The real reason Butler was pissed at Minny because Glen Davis gave both Wiggins and KAT 5 year max deals, but they would only entertain a 4-year deal with Butler because of his age. Sixers apparently felt the same way, or maybe worse. They never say it's about the money, but it almost always is.

Wait a second. Let's not act like money doesn't go hand in hand with decisions made. The reason Jimmy was low-balled in Minny is as much about money as it is faith in their other two guys to produce. The same with Philly. Jimmy's offer was unpalatable because Philly thought they had their needs met in Ben.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Oh man, I love this. It's a damn shame we didn't choose to build around the Embiid/Butler duo (which I actively campaigned for at the time )

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I have just a question, I hope someone can answer me.
Assuming Simmons decides to holdout the whole year, if Philly wins the title.would he be entitled to get a ring?

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[eyeatoma]

So it’s more logical to push your anti-Simmons narrative than take the words of someone that was there and spoke about the issue openly?

This is just like the Kyrie stuff lol when the media or fans hate you then anything can be twisted into a story.

You know you're doing the same thing by not believing the other person in Joel right? Joel held back for the betterment of the team all this time. Now that Ben has started saying he can't play with Jo, Jo is telling the truth about what actually happened. If Ben was still on the team, this information would never have gotten out.

Anti Simmons? Please tell me, are the majority of people pro Simmons at this point? Do you see anything in Simmons character, or ability as a player right now, for people to be pro Simmons? Everything he has done this summer paints him in a terrible light. When he was on the team, all I wanted was for him to get better as a player. To be more assertive, to take a few jumpers. Every time he would have a 25+ point game I was excited, but over the years I came to realize that he didn't' have it in him. I bought those summer videos the first few years hook, line and sinker. I then noticed, that it was all a ploy to change the narrative and get the media off his back. I gave Ben every chance he needed, and so did the Sixers as an organization. That includes Joel changing his game, the team not signing ball handlers because it would alienate Ben, and the previous regime **** on Joel, and siding with Ben.

Joel makes a statement that the front office got rid of Jimmy to appease Ben and keep the ball in his hands. Jimmy tells YOU and the world in a interview the situation happened with Ben being upset and rightfully so about what happen. I don’t think Joel is lying the ball handling stuff was a issue and hell everyone knew it could be before and after the trade for Butler but the argument was is this the major reason Butler left/not brought back. To that there is no indication it played a major role.

Here is the best part =Jimmy said that it was all or nothing by the end of the year. He even suggested to Brown that they could find a way to blend ball handling duties between TJ/Ben/Butler but was told don’t worry about. So as a organization you are saying they went from demoting Ben to completely taking his concerns with ball handling to remove Butler as top priority.

Didn’t know Simmons had that much power in the organization especially since after Butler leaving the following year it’s the James Harden trade rumors.

Definitely anti Simmons narrative running around a bit. He’s handled the situation in a poor manor considering his contract but at this point the 76ers handling as a organization has looked insane between Doc interviews and Embiid passive aggression

If you follow the entire process saga you'll learn that in the Colangelo days Simmons was the star that they wanted to build around. You'll learn that from the Burner drama. Brett Brown made Ben a pg to appease him, and the sixers had Fultz offball to appease him. All the players the Sixers acquired were chosen to be able to spread the floor, but have limited ball handling capabilities. It's a big reason why when Simmons isn't playing we suck. It's because the team was designed to maximize Simmons when he was on the floor. Yes, Ben had a lot of power in the organization and that only really changed once Morey arrived. Even when Brand was around the team was built to compliment Ben, and not Joel.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Now explain the decision to draft Fultz

A 40% 3p shooter that can create off the dribble, that can guard 1, 2 and potentially even 3s?
The theory behind the Fultz pick was excellent

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[Doranku]

I hope Ben goes to a team in Philly's division so I can watch Embiid **** on him 4 times a year. That first matchup is going to be great. Embiid is going to destroy him (if Ben has the balls to play).

[Currygoat]

And this is why his leaving lmao. Keep telling us your real feelings Embiid

[JujitsuFlip]

I have just a question, I hope someone can answer me.
Assuming Simmons decides to holdout the whole year, if Philly wins the title.would he be entitled to get a ring?

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Yes. Dion Waiters was entitled to a ring in the bubble regardless who won the Lakers/Heat series. Similarly in the 2016 finals, Varejao was entitled to a ring regardless which team won the Warriors/Cavs series.

[IAMZOOTED2]

You know you're doing the same thing by not believing the other person in Joel right? Joel held back for the betterment of the team all this time. Now that Ben has started saying he can't play with Jo, Jo is telling the truth about what actually happened. If Ben was still on the team, this information would never have gotten out.

Anti Simmons? Please tell me, are the majority of people pro Simmons at this point? Do you see anything in Simmons character, or ability as a player right now, for people to be pro Simmons? Everything he has done this summer paints him in a terrible light. When he was on the team, all I wanted was for him to get better as a player. To be more assertive, to take a few jumpers. Every time he would have a 25+ point game I was excited, but over the years I came to realize that he didn't' have it in him. I bought those summer videos the first few years hook, line and sinker. I then noticed, that it was all a ploy to change the narrative and get the media off his back. I gave Ben every chance he needed, and so did the Sixers as an organization. That includes Joel changing his game, the team not signing ball handlers because it would alienate Ben, and the previous regime **** on Joel, and siding with Ben.

Joel makes a statement that the front office got rid of Jimmy to appease Ben and keep the ball in his hands. Jimmy tells YOU and the world in a interview the situation happened with Ben being upset and rightfully so about what happen. I don’t think Joel is lying the ball handling stuff was a issue and hell everyone knew it could be before and after the trade for Butler but the argument was is this the major reason Butler left/not brought back. To that there is no indication it played a major role.

Here is the best part =Jimmy said that it was all or nothing by the end of the year. He even suggested to Brown that they could find a way to blend ball handling duties between TJ/Ben/Butler but was told don’t worry about. So as a organization you are saying they went from demoting Ben to completely taking his concerns with ball handling to remove Butler as top priority.

Didn’t know Simmons had that much power in the organization especially since after Butler leaving the following year it’s the James Harden trade rumors.

Definitely anti Simmons narrative running around a bit. He’s handled the situation in a poor manor considering his contract but at this point the 76ers handling as a organization has looked insane between Doc interviews and Embiid passive aggression

If you follow the entire process saga you'll learn that in the Colangelo days Simmons was the start that they wanted to build around. YOu'll learn that from the Burner drama. Brett Brown made Ben a pg to appease him, and the sixers had Fultz offball to appease him. Yes, Ben had a lot of power in the organization and that only really changed once Morey arrived. Even when Brand was around the team was built to compliment Ben, and not Joel.

Not only that, but those burner phones were used to trash jo and his health status

[TheGOATRises007]

The Sixers completely botched it.

They could have hypothetically traded Simmons then for a high tier AS or even a superstar.

Dame-Butler-Embiid as a trio could have been feasible, but they got so enamored with Ben Simmons being Lebron 2.0.

Now Simmons' stock has completely plummeted and their window has closed.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Jimmy tells you candidly why he left.. from his own mouth...

I get where you're going but I don't think it's that simple, for two reasons. First I've had plenty of work drama over the years and I definitely reframe narratives about what happened to make them simpler and more about my own values and control. I'm someone who's pretty low-ego and generally very honest with myself but still try to do that to make it seem like my principled disagreement about something was why something happened, rather than a more complicated chain of things. Butler also seems like someone who's really into that type of thing (in a good way).

Second, in this video Butler specifically mentions both a) Simmons being very upset about losing touches and b) him leaving because the team wasn't sure about him and was worried he wouldn't fit their personnel experiments. Both of those point directly to the Sixers being concerned about the fit of the 3 all-star guys that year. So the root cause could easily be that question of Simmons and touches.

You can come up with other narratives. Maybe Jimmy left because of aliens and now he's covering it up.

All you have is the truth Jimmy has given here, Jimmy of all players is going to give you the truth.nhes saying some very controversial things here, why would he say them? He doesn't have to speak at all.

If you choose not to believe what Jimmy is saying on the topic of why he left then you want to have a pretty solid line of evidence to refute it.

This is BS.
The data point we have is what Butler is telling you.
That doesn't account for the sincerity of Butler.
That doesn't account for the knowledge of Butler of what was actually happening behind the scenes.
You never listen to one witness and expect to know the fact.

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[TheNewEra]

Sixers didn't get rid of Jimmy.

Jimmy left.

Wow. What a horrifically bad take. You really think you have more info than Joel???what arrogance.

They put Jimmy on the back of the bus during the season and then wouldn’t offer him max. That is getting rid of him.

If this were the case then how does the situation equal Simmons being the reason he left? You just mentioned a control and attitude problem which Jimmy did mention they wanted to control him as a person.

[Noodlesoop]

Jimmy tells you candidly why he left.. from his own mouth..

Watch on YouTube

The fact that people just think Embiid is spitting truth may be part of the reason Simmons wants to get out of there.

I forgot how good this interview was. The two things that jumped out were how weak management was in Philly (pointless film sessions, trying to control Butler, pacifying Simmons etc) and how Simmons was so annoyed that the ball got given to Butler so much in the playoffs …. great decision in hindsight!

[Tomjas]

You know you're doing the same thing by not believing the other person in Joel right? Joel held back for the betterment of the team all this time. Now that Ben has started saying he can't play with Jo, Jo is telling the truth about what actually happened. If Ben was still on the team, this information would never have gotten out.

Anti Simmons? Please tell me, are the majority of people pro Simmons at this point? Do you see anything in Simmons character, or ability as a player right now, for people to be pro Simmons? Everything he has done this summer paints him in a terrible light. When he was on the team, all I wanted was for him to get better as a player. To be more assertive, to take a few jumpers. Every time he would have a 25+ point game I was excited, but over the years I came to realize that he didn't' have it in him. I bought those summer videos the first few years hook, line and sinker. I then noticed, that it was all a ploy to change the narrative and get the media off his back. I gave Ben every chance he needed, and so did the Sixers as an organization. That includes Joel changing his game, the team not signing ball handlers because it would alienate Ben, and the previous regime **** on Joel, and siding with Ben.

Joel makes a statement that the front office got rid of Jimmy to appease Ben and keep the ball in his hands. Jimmy tells YOU and the world in a interview the situation happened with Ben being upset and rightfully so about what happen. I don’t think Joel is lying the ball handling stuff was a issue and hell everyone knew it could be before and after the trade for Butler but the argument was is this the major reason Butler left/not brought back. To that there is no indication it played a major role.

Here is the best part =Jimmy said that it was all or nothing by the end of the year. He even suggested to Brown that they could find a way to blend ball handling duties between TJ/Ben/Butler but was told don’t worry about. So as a organization you are saying they went from demoting Ben to completely taking his concerns with ball handling to remove Butler as top priority.

Didn’t know Simmons had that much power in the organization especially since after Butler leaving the following year it’s the James Harden trade rumors.

Definitely anti Simmons narrative running around a bit. He’s handled the situation in a poor manor considering his contract but at this point the 76ers handling as a organization has looked insane between Doc interviews and Embiid passive aggression

If you follow the entire process saga you'll learn that in the Colangelo days Simmons was the start that they wanted to build around. YOu'll learn that from the Burner drama. Brett Brown made Ben a pg to appease him, and the sixers had Fultz offball to appease him. Yes, Ben had a lot of power in the organization and that only really changed once Morey arrived. Even when Brand was around the team was built to compliment Ben, and not Joel.

There’s lots of things to criticise Simmons for but being selfish on the court isn’t one of them

He plays off the ball constantly whether it’s for Fultz, Jimmy, Maxey, Shake, TJ or whoever and he’s the one Sixer who’s role changes depending on lineup

[Shock Defeat]

I have just a question, I hope someone can answer me.
Assuming Simmons decides to holdout the whole year, if Philly wins the title.would he be entitled to get a ring?

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Of course not, teams can give or not give championship rings to anyone. They would definitely not send Simmons a ring.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Embiid sounded honest and mature in his response, while Simmon doesn't even have the guts to speak to reporters and continue to hide in his own little corner. Embiid deserves better teammates.

Mature? Speaking to reporters solves nothing.

well, he's uniting the team to have a great start of the season with or without Ben.
If I were a teammate I would be as motivated as ever by this situation, to prove Simmons they don't need him.

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