What do we give to get Ben Simmons?

Skybox · Post #141 » by **Skybox** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:37 am

Simmons is far superior to Draymond in my opinion. Draymond is really good, but more than anything, he fits perfectly alongside the superstars he fell in with. Simmons would immediately be the best player on a lot of teams in this league. Draymond would simply be exposed if some lesser team made a move to grab his star power. I'm not knocking Draymond, I just don't feel that he's anywhere near the individual talent as a lot of stars that he is lumped in with.

drsd · Post #142 » by **drsd** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:07 pm

Skybox wrote:Simmons is far superior to Draymond in my opinion. Draymond is really good, but more than anything, he fits perfectly alongside the superstars he fell in with. Simmons would immediately be the best player on a lot of teams in this league. Draymond would simply be exposed if some lesser team made a move to grab his star power. I'm not knocking Draymond, I just don't feel that he's anywhere near the individual talent as a lot of stars that he is lumped in with.

Green is an enforcer. A team only needs that if there is strong guard play.

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MagicFan101 · Post #143 » by **MagicFan101** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:22 pm

Cole + RJ + Ross + ‘22 FRP (unprotected) + ‘23 CHI pick

= Ben Simmons + Tyrese Maxey

** I put no thought into the cap here. Add meaningless fillers as need be to make it work but on the basis of team building alone, is the a deal worth considering?

—> Fultz is flipped soon after or even included if Philly wants him back.

Skin · Post #144 » by **Skin** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:12 pm

8 pages of Ben Simmons??? I thought this team needed more 3pt shooting. Simmons is the opposite of what fits us. Jeez.

MagicFan101 · Post #145 » by **MagicFan101** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:30 pm

Skin wrote:8 pages of Ben Simmons??? I thought this team needed more 3pt shooting. Simmons is the opposite of what fits us. Jeez.

We are Jalen Suggs + _____

That is the honest truth. Forget what you “know” about this roster based on recent years.

Our mission now to surround him with enough talent that we can win meaningful games and hang onto him longer than we have other stars (if he in fact is that star many expect him to be).

Skybox · Post #146 » by **Skybox** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:19 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
Skin wrote:8 pages of Ben Simmons??? I thought this team needed more 3pt shooting. Simmons is the opposite of what fits us. Jeez.

We are Jalen Suggs + _____

That is the honest truth. Forget what you “know” about this roster based on recent years.

Our mission now to surround him with enough talent that we can win meaningful games and hang onto him longer than we have other stars (if he in fact is that star many expect him to be).

100...I was going to offer "anything but Suggs and no picks that aren't at least top-3 protected". The one a couple spots up is a little light, IMO, I'd add the DEN pick as well but I'd want top-3 protection on our '22. I still think Cole, RJ, and TRoss is too light (especially if Maxey is in the mix)...I think Isaac and/or Chuma would have to be there as well as the 3 picks (only one of which is truly valuable unless CHI or DEN straight up collapse). I'd be good with Simmons, Suggs, and all the shooters we can dredge up.

ARandomStranger · Post #147 » by **ARandomStranger** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:47 pm

No thanks. Guy is a malignant tumor for the Sixers organization and is pretty much unplayable in the 4th quarter due to mental issues that transcend basketball. He is also a huge diva who has made absolutely no strides in improving his game from where he was when he first started. Sure, he has added layers to the depth of what he can do, but he has never subtracted from the things he can't do. He is still a guy who can't do anything outside of a couple of feet from the basket and when fouled is a sub-par free throw shooter. Great defender sure, guy who can pass the rock yes, but when you need him most he tends to shrug away from it.

Post #148 » by **Bensational** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:55 am

MagicFan101 wrote:
Skin wrote:8 pages of Ben Simmons??? I thought this team needed more 3pt shooting. Simmons is the opposite of what fits us. Jeez.

We are Jalen Suggs + _____

That is the honest truth. Forget what you “know” about this roster based on recent years.

Our mission now to surround him with enough talent that we can win meaningful games and hang onto him longer than we have other stars (if he in fact is that star many expect him to be).

Suggs + Simmons + (hopefully) Top 3 pick next draft could set up a quick turnaround if players show the promise we’re hoping they hold. I would imagine Suggs and Simmons would elevate the guys around them, too.

MagicFan101 · Post #149 » by **MagicFan101** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:59 pm

Bensational wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
Skin wrote:8 pages of Ben Simmons??? I thought this team needed more 3pt shooting. Simmons is the opposite of what fits us. Jeez.

We are Jalen Suggs + _____

That is the honest truth. Forget what you “know” about this roster based on recent years.

Our mission now to surround him with enough talent that we can win meaningful games and hang onto him longer than we have other stars (if he in fact is that star many expect him to be).

Suggs + Simmons + (hopefully) Top 3 pick next draft could set up a quick turnaround if players show the promise we’re hoping they hold. I would imagine Suggs and Simmons would elevate the guys around them, too.

WCJ is a smart player. Nothing special but a smart kid who only gets better around two great distributors like Suggs and Simmons.

The same story goes for Chuma and I expect we can say the same for Franz soon.

If Isaac is not included and remains healthy we know what he can be. So that gives us a very strong forward / big rotation.

Now, can we find a lights out SG … ??

The identity of this team would be DEFENSE and Ball Movement. Suggs, Simmons, Chuma and Isaac are all fantastic and some even elite defenders. A few guys are among the best distributors in the game. Suggs and Chuma can shoot fairly well. Go out and find a world class 3-pt shooting SG and this is a tough team.

jonbob17 · Post #150 » by **jonbob17** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:10 pm

RickB-Orlando wrote:What I can't figure out is why the LA Lebrons haven't traded for Simmons yet. A few second rate shooters, some second round picks and the Laker facade should easily be enough for a Simmons trade.

The Simmons hate is strong.
Simmons is still going is going to get a Beal level player....Maybe a Lavine at worst....
Philly still has the leverage of the contract, and they aren't giving him away for something that makes their title chances worse.

jonbob17 · Post #151 » by **jonbob17** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:12 pm

drsd wrote:
Green is a better defender and rebounder. Simmons is a better scorer and distributor. Actually their games are quite dissimilar.

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Golden State GM strongly disagrees with you.

Post #152 » by **Knightro** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:44 pm

I would take Simmons if the price was right.

He's only 25.

PrimeThyme · Post #153 » by **PrimeThyme** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:13 pm

Yeah, I'm actually shocked this thread has gained the traction it has. Especially since we've already taken on Philly's last reclamation project in Fultz.

I get that he's not what Fultz was. He's already a legitimate top 10 defender in this league, but he's also a 35 plus million dollar player who was passing up open layups in the playoffs && refuses to take a shot outside of the painted area as well. Let's not even get into some of the diva character issues either, which arguably dates back to his lone season at LSU.

He's not a guy I want to build a team around, && when you factor in his deficiencies and contract I think you'll have to.

BadMofoPimp · Post #154 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:55 pm

Skin wrote:8 pages of Ben Simmons??? I thought this team needed more 3pt shooting. Simmons is the opposite of what fits us. Jeez.

Scouts talking about the Magic and their lack of 3 point shooters. They would have to be insane to go after Simmons.

Skybox · Post #155 » by **Skybox** » Fri Oct 1, 2021 12:53 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Skin wrote:8 pages of Ben Simmons??? I thought this team needed more 3pt shooting. Simmons is the opposite of what fits us. Jeez.

Scouts talking about the Magic and their lack of 3 point shooters. They would have to be insane to go after Simmons.

If Ben Simmons was joining the Magic it wouldn't be to complement the existing players- he'd immediately be the cornerstone to build around. The dismissive talk is ridiculous. He'd be the best guy on many teams in the league. Suggs is way cheaper and has unknown but high upside...outside of him, nobody on the Magic can even project optimistically to hold Simmons' jock, regardless of contract, passing up a dunk to make a pass, and whatever else you can find. This is no scrub we're talking about. He's at a low value point right now, somebody might score a huge get for their team if PHI just can't wait him out...I don't think ORL has a package that would do it. Maybe Isaac, Ross, Cole, Hampton and one of OUR frps and at least one of the CHI or DEN frp. If Isaac shows up, ready to contribute where he left off before too much of the season goes by-he might be the key. I include Cole AND Hampton only because Maxey, it seems, might be in the package (otherwise just one of them)...I'm honestly not in love with this but people are talking about Simmons like he's not a DPOY candidate who can handle and pass at an elite level at 6'10 and is a freight train going to the rim.

thelead · Post #156 » by **thelead** » Fri Oct 1, 2021 1:02 am

Knightro wrote:I would take Simmons if the price was right.

He's only 25.

JI + fillers for Simmons. Do you do it?

BadMofoPimp · Post #157 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Fri Oct 1, 2021 2:06 am

Skybox wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
Skin wrote:8 pages of Ben Simmons??? I thought this team needed more 3pt shooting. Simmons is the opposite of what fits us. Jeez.

Scouts talking about the Magic and their lack of 3 point shooters. They would have to be insane to go after Simmons.

If Ben Simmons was joining the Magic it wouldn't be to complement the existing players- he'd immediately be the cornerstone to build around. The dismissive talk is ridiculous. He'd be the best guy on many teams in the league. Suggs is way cheaper and has unknown but high upside...outside of him, nobody on the Magic can even project optimistically to hold Simmons' jock, regardless of contract, passing up a dunk to make a pass, and whatever else you can find. This is no scrub we're talking about. He's at a low value point right now, somebody might score a huge get for their team if PHI just can't wait him out...I don't think ORL has a package that would do it. Maybe Isaac, Ross, Cole, Hampton and one of OUR frps and at least one of the CHI or DEN frp. If Isaac shows up, ready to contribute where he left off before too much of the season goes by-he might be the key. I include Cole AND Hampton only because Maxey, it seems, might be in the package (otherwise just one of them)...I'm honestly not in love with this but people are talking about Simmons like he's not a DPOY candidate who can handle and pass at an elite level at 6'10 and is a freight train going to the rim.

There are 31 other boards on RealGM with their fans saying the same exact thing about why their team is a legit spot for Simmons. I don't think the Magic brass are even thinking that Simmons is a fit here. Don't think there is a shot in hell this is even considered. Just fans pipe dreams to me and this is some fans bored with the Magic dreaming some ideas of Simmons on the Magic to me. Simmons just makes this team mediocre and he would hate it here.

Post #158 » by **Knightro** » Fri Oct 1, 2021 2:23 am

thelead wrote:
Knightro wrote:I would take Simmons if the price was right.

He's only 25.

JI + fillers for Simmons. Do you do it?

Yes.

Optimus_Steel · Post #159 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Fri Oct 1, 2021 3:07 am

How? Get one of the Kardashians to move here but that ain't happening.

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drsd · Post #160 » by **drsd** » Fri Oct 1, 2021 9:17 am

PrimeThyme wrote:Yeah, I'm actually shocked this thread has gained the traction it has. Especially since we've already taken on Philly's last reclamation project in Fultz.

Dude: the Magic got Fultz for Jonathon Simmons, a top-20-protected first (which will NEVER convert), and a 2019 second.

If the Magic can acquire Simmons for such a terrible package, of course the Magic trade for him. For example, if the Magic could trade Harris, Ross, Anthony and the Denver pick for Simmons, of course WeHamm makes that trade.

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