Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[guest81]

I can’t see a scenario where we don’t accept Anthony Edwards, so I think a third team being needed means we are doing the picks platter instead and rerouting it to the third team.

I hope we somehow pry Shai out of left field, but OKC already has way too many picks. They’re over saturated with picks to the point that it’s almost detrimental to them in the way it cost us four seconds to rent George Hill for a month.

Why does Simmons value go up at this point?

[spikeslovechild]

Only stars I see potentially being moved for picks this season are SGA, FVV, Siakam, Ingram

These are unlikely but possible for enough picks.

FVV isn't a star and neither is Siakam

[Tomjas]

I can’t see a scenario where we don’t accept Anthony Edwards, so I think a third team being needed means we are doing the picks platter instead and rerouting it to the third team.

I hope we somehow pry Shai out of left field, but OKC already has way too many picks. They’re over saturated with picks to the point that it’s almost detrimental to them in the way it cost us four seconds to rent George Hill for a month.

I can’t see why the Timberwolves would trade Edwards for Simmons unless it’s a Hail Mary to keep KAT

There’s probably a better argument to trade KAT for a boatload of assets and build around ANT

[Kobblehead]

would you guys want a Wiggins, Draymond, Moody and possibly Wiseman package for Simmons/Tobi?

I would want you to find a third to bring into the trade to take Wiseman and send a talented rookie contract player our way.

Can you send Wiseman to Orlando and get Cole Anthony sent our way?
Can you send Wiseman to Chicago and get Coby White sent our way?

[KramerDSP]

I can’t see a scenario where we don’t accept Anthony Edwards, so I think a third team being needed means we are doing the picks platter instead and rerouting it to the third team.

I hope we somehow pry Shai out of left field, but OKC already has way too many picks. They’re over saturated with picks to the point that it’s almost detrimental to them in the way it cost us four seconds to rent George Hill for a month.

Why does Simmons value go up at this point?

I don’t see his value going up as much as I see the new owners thinking “wait, we can keep all three of Russell, Edwards, and KAT and add Ben Simmons to that core? And we just have to mortgage our future with worthless picks since we’ll be a playoff team? Hmmm” and pulling the trigger.

I get the sense that Minnesota is the most desperate to make a splash. And if all they can offer is Beasley and Beverley as players with one young prospect, we are only trading with them if they pony up the picks and the swaps.

[KramerDSP]

I can’t see a scenario where we don’t accept Anthony Edwards, so I think a third team being needed means we are doing the picks platter instead and rerouting it to the third team.

I hope we somehow pry Shai out of left field, but OKC already has way too many picks. They’re over saturated with picks to the point that it’s almost detrimental to them in the way it cost us four seconds to rent George Hill for a month.

I can’t see why the Timberwolves would trade Edwards for Simmons unless it’s a Hail Mary to keep KAT

There’s probably a better argument to trade KAT for a boatload of assets and build around ANT

I mean, it’s something Hinkie would have done. Ironically enough, Gupta is there. That’d be a fascinating pivot, but there’s zero smoke on that end. The owners wouldn’t be up for that barring a return of an even more established all-star. And I’m not sure they could trade KAT even if they wanted to after all that **** he went through with COVID killing quite a few of his immediate family members.

[Negrodamus]

I can’t believe we drafted 4 centers (Noel, Embiid, Okafor, Simmons) in four years.

[sixers4real]

I still predict Simmons will get traded after December 15, not because of the specific player, but because it will be more noise and trades after that date. And I expect Morey to go for top value.

Kings (Halliburton + Hield or Fox)
Wolves (Edwards or unprotected picks+swaps)
Cavs (Sexton+Love+unprotected picks)
Pelicans (Ingram)

These teams will be out of playoff picture late December/January. Panic mode will be activated.

I don’t think Lillard or Beal will be available during the season, but I like the options above.

Why would the Pelicans trade Ingram for Simmons? Ingram is the better player and better fit next to Zion.

I didn’t say they would. There is only one way to get Ingram is a three-team deal.

I just want Ingram badly for Simmons, because I believe Maxey being our starting PG for a long time.

But if Minnesota makes Edwards available for Simmons, and New Orleans start badly, maybe they will want Edwards+salary for Ingram, while Wolves get Simmons, we get Ingram.

That’s the only way I can think of us getting Ingram. Of course that’s based on nothing lol.

[whatisacenter]

would you guys want a Wiggins, Draymond, Moody and possibly Wiseman package for Simmons/Tobi?

I would want you to find a third to bring into the trade to take Wiseman and send a talented rookie contract player our way.

Can you send Wiseman to Orlando and get Cole Anthony sent our way?
Can you send Wiseman to Chicago and get Coby White sent our way?

I actually like Wiseman and would be reluctant to include him in the deal but I think it would take a FRP or Wise to get the deal done. Sure, I could see moving him to a third team but I think Maxey is better than both Cole and Coby.

[Madd Squabbles]

Indiana has emerged as a contender. Had this feeling!

I've said from the beginning that I would take Brogdon, Warren, and a FRP for Simmons in a heartbeat and then pray for health. This is really the only trade being considered that actually makes the Sixers a better team than they were last year (health permitting). Brogdon is the perfect non-allstar point guard to replace Simmons. Also, Curry can play with him with Maxey coming off the bench. Sweet lineup.

What if it was Brogdon, four years of TJ McConnell, an unprotected 22 1st and a lottery protected 24 1st?

I would personally prefer Warren to an additional FRP. I think he is the perfect player for the Sixers health considering.

[Sportfan73]

I've said from the beginning that I would take Brogdon, Warren, and a FRP for Simmons in a heartbeat and then pray for health. This is really the only trade being considered that actually makes the Sixers a better team than they were last year (health permitting). Brogdon is the perfect non-allstar point guard to replace Simmons. Also, Curry can play with him with Maxey coming off the bench. Sweet lineup.

What if it was Brogdon, four years of TJ McConnell, an unprotected 22 1st and a lottery protected 24 1st?

I would personally prefer Warren to an additional FRP. I think he is the perfect player for the Sixers health considering.

Even with Tobias?

[Madd Squabbles]

Indiana has emerged as a contender. Had this feeling!

I've said from the beginning that I would take Brogdon, Warren, and a FRP for Simmons in a heartbeat and then pray for health. This is really the only trade being considered that actually makes the Sixers a better team than they were last year (health permitting). Brogdon is the perfect non-allstar point guard to replace Simmons. Also, Curry can play with him with Maxey coming off the bench. Sweet lineup.

Both of those players are very injury prone. You really want to take that risk?

The short answer is No! But it seems that none of the players I prefer are available. I personally believe the available players are Minny's trash, Sexton, CJ McCullum, Toronto's trash, GS trash, SAC trash, and Brogdon.

Of the secondary choices that I believe can be had I like Brogdon, Warren, and a FRP first and Sexton, Love and 2 FRPs second,

My thinking with these trade offers is would I love the trade if I were a fan of the other teams. I think a trade with Indy or CLE would be a win win.

[Madd Squabbles]

With all due respect, I don't think Morey would sniff any of those deals. We are in a position to contend for a title with Embiid. None of those packages get us there, unfortunately. I do think from a fan and outsider perspective, there is a case to be made for packages like these. However, I think offers like this or better (i.e. CJ + Cov + multiple picks) have been made and Morey hasn't accepted them.

Dame, Beal, Edwards, Kyrie...someone who can be a 1B to Joel's 1A. That's how Morey has traditionally built his teams, and I think that's how he will continue to do so. The fact that Ben has 4 more years on his deal makes it easier for him to hold onto him for the right deal.

I keep seeing replies like these. I have one question. What if none of the players you want are available? Would you just let Simmons sit out for 4 years and let him leave as a free agent or would you accept something less than what's on your wish list? Just demanding that Morey bring in a star player is not how trades work. You have to have a willing participant. I believe a lot of fans lose sight of this.

Do you think it's realistic for a player to sit out for 4 years, or for it to take 4 years for a star to become disgruntled?

No but even if he doesn't sit out he will become a cancer and fake injury for the next 4 years so he's not playing either way.

[Madd Squabbles]

I still predict Simmons will get traded after December 15, not because of the specific player, but because it will be more noise and trades after that date. And I expect Morey to go for top value.

Kings (Halliburton + Hield or Fox)
Wolves (Edwards or unprotected picks+swaps)
Cavs (Sexton+Love+unprotected picks)
Pelicans (Ingram)

These teams will be out of playoff picture late December/January. Panic mode will be activated.

I don’t think Lillard or Beal will be available during the season, but I like the options above.

Why would the Pelicans trade Ingram for Simmons? Ingram is the better player and better fit next to Zion.

I didn’t say they would. There is only one way to get Ingram is a three-team deal.

I just want Ingram badly for Simmons, because I believe Maxey being our starting PG for a long time.

But if Minnesota makes Edwards available for Simmons, and New Orleans start badly, maybe they will want Edwards+salary for Ingram, while Wolves get Simmons, we get Ingram.

That’s the only way I can think of us getting Ingram. Of course that’s based on nothing lol.

I'm from New Orleans so I follow the Pels. The only way the Pels trade Ingram for Edwards would be if Ingram and Zion came to blows during practice. There is a ton of pressure for the Pels to win this year. They will not win with Edwards in Place of Ingram. That would be a big step back. Sixers would be better off keeping Edwards themselves then trying to trade him away to another team.

[Filthadelphia]

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So Tomjas was right then.

[the_process]

I've said from the beginning that I would take Brogdon, Warren, and a FRP for Simmons in a heartbeat and then pray for health. This is really the only trade being considered that actually makes the Sixers a better team than they were last year (health permitting). Brogdon is the perfect non-allstar point guard to replace Simmons. Also, Curry can play with him with Maxey coming off the bench. Sweet lineup.

What if it was Brogdon, four years of TJ McConnell, an unprotected 22 1st and a lottery protected 24 1st?

I would personally prefer Warren to an additional FRP. I think he is the perfect player for the Sixers health considering.

No interest in Warren whatsoever.

Indy's offer would have to be Brogdon and Sabonis, where Sabonis is sent to a third team and those assets go to Philly. Even then I don't love it, unless there is some miraculous offer out there for Sabonis?

I feel like the Dubs are going to be out there pushing a Wiggins, Wiseman, Moody, 1st package for a good player any second now.

[Madd Squabbles]

What if it was Brogdon, four years of TJ McConnell, an unprotected 22 1st and a lottery protected 24 1st?

I would personally prefer Warren to an additional FRP. I think he is the perfect player for the Sixers health considering.

Even with Tobias?

Warren is a 3/4. He can play with Tobias.

[Tomjas]

No way that Pacers trade Brogdon and Sabonis for Ben

That’s just silly

[Madd Squabbles]

What if it was Brogdon, four years of TJ McConnell, an unprotected 22 1st and a lottery protected 24 1st?

I would personally prefer Warren to an additional FRP. I think he is the perfect player for the Sixers health considering.

No interest in Warren whatsoever.

Indy's offer would have to be Brogdon and Sabonis, where Sabonis is sent to a third team and those assets go to Philly. Even then I don't love it, unless there is some miraculous offer out there for Sabonis?

I feel like the Dubs are going to be out there pushing a Wiggins, Wiseman, Moody, 1st package for a good player any second now.

If this is the only trade you would accept from Indy then you should look at other teams. There is no way Indy is trading an all-star plus Brogden for a disgruntled Simmons. Teams don't overpay for disgruntled players, they underpay for them.

[Tomjas]

Kings have interest in Sabonis

Pacers get Simmons

Kings get Sabonis + filler

Sixers get Fox and a Pacers pick