Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Sixerscan]

I wonder what's the basis for Simmons' salary to be escrowed? Does the CBA allow for this because he hasn't reported? Otherwise it would seem to me that he would be due the salary as the contract specifies and that the levying and collection of fines is an unrelated financial matter. The team having the right to couple the matters seems odd.

To me it feel like either the Sixers have the league's unstated blessing to do this or a deal is imminent. There's no signs it's the latter.

It's because he went the extra step to say he's just not going to play this year. They have good faith reason to think he's not going to perform under the contract so they can withhold salary.

It really depends on how it is written but from what I've seen nothing ties that money to GP which means technically even if he came back they shouldn't be on the hook for the money regardless.

I think they legit set it up this way as an olive branch in an attempt to try and entice Simmons to come back. It also probably strengthens any sort of case should they go to arbitration that they acted in good faith.

We did the whole CBA deep dive a few days ago. It's tied to missed games, practices, media availability etc. They're on the hook for the money if he shows up minus what they are allowed to withhold because of things that he misses. But given that he's said he's just not going to show up they are just holding it now.

The escrow avoids any money having to actually change hands. Certainly the Sixers don't want to be chasing someone down for fine money who has already shown he's not willing to honor a contract. I guess they could just hold it but this is cleaner like you said and it's not like they need the cash.

[spikeslovechild]

It's because he went the extra step to say he's just not going to play this year. They have good faith reason to think he's not going to perform under the contract so they can withhold salary.

It really depends on how it is written but from what I've seen nothing ties that money to GP which means technically even if he came back they shouldn't be on the hook for the money regardless.

I think they legit set it up this way as an olive branch in an attempt to try and entice Simmons to come back. It also probably strengthens any sort of case should they go to arbitration that they acted in good faith.

We did the whole CBA deep dive a few days ago. It's tied to missed games, practices, media availability etc. They're on the hook for the money if he shows up minus what they are allowed to withhold because of things that he misses. But given that he's said he's just not going to show up they are just holding it now.

The escrow avoids any money having to actually change hands. Certainly the Sixers don't want to be chasing someone down for fine money who has already shown he's not willing to honor a contract. I guess they could just hold it but this is cleaner like you said and it's not like they need the cash.

I looked deeper into the CBA and it appears for bonus money (what essentially this is) it's tied to GP and equal to a fraction of games missed so it further makes sense why they would have it set aside in escrow.

[76ciology]

I hope there will be a owner union to ban these type of players. Im all for that.

Make sure to not give them an NBA contract

Either that or NBA should also explore banning players who goes renegade on their team after an investigation whether its warranted or not.

[Tomjas]

I hope there will be a owner union to ban these type of players. Im all for that.

Make sure to not give them an NBA contract

Either that or NBA should also explore banning players who goes renegade on their team after an investigation whether its warranted or not.

The Sixers have been trying to trade him for months

IF he comes back, it will only be for a short time, a massive distraction, he might take time from developing players and, worst case scenario, he sustains a serious injury

Better to let him sit out

[Sportfan73]

I hope there will be a owner union to ban these type of players. Im all for that.

Make sure to not give them an NBA contract

Either that or NBA should also explore banning players who goes renegade on their team after an investigation whether its warranted or not.

The Sixers have been trying to trade him for months

IF he comes back, it will only be for a short time, a massive distraction, he might take time from developing players and, worst case scenario, he sustains a serious injury

Better to let him sit out

Gimme a indy 3 teamer and let’s go

[76ciology]

I hope there will be a owner union to ban these type of players. Im all for that.

Make sure to not give them an NBA contract

Either that or NBA should also explore banning players who goes renegade on their team after an investigation whether its warranted or not.

The Sixers have been trying to trade him for months

IF he comes back, it will only be for a short time, a massive distraction, he might take time from developing players and, worst case scenario, he sustains a serious injury

Better to let him sit out

Im thinking bigger picture.

Like in the future, the league should investigate and see if a team treats a player well but the player still opts to renegade against the team, then they can enforce a ban.

This way you can put the player empowerment movement in balance.

[76ciology]

I dont know man..

But I think Embiid spilling made things worse but I dont know whats the situation so maybe Embiid have better judgement. Maybe the situation was really bad anyways, and the team has to let Embiid speak out to justify not paying Ben.

Remember that the team has received a lot of heat by not paying its staff. So it makes sense to make Embiid their spokeperson prior to not paying Ben.

[Sportfan73]

I dont know man..

But I think Embiid spilling made things worse but I dont know whats the situation so maybe Embiid have better judgement. Maybe the situation was really bad anyways, and the team has to let Embiid speak out to justify not paying Ben.

Remember that the team has received a lot of heat by not paying its staff. So it makes sense to make Embiid their spokeperson prior to not paying Ben.

They probably decided to just get it done and move him the day before that. Now I think we will start seeing leaks of more teams in the running or interested over the next week

[76ciology]

Guys, how about we discuss what to do with the Roster without Ben?

I think we need a defensive wing.
- Cheap alternatives are Gary Clark and Anthony Tolliver, Morey went to this route last season.
- Thad is underrated
- Maybe Paul Reed is ready

I think Maxey and Shake can step up and more than replace what Ben brings on offense. There will be some early pains but it will be OK once we get our rhythm. A couple of guys who I like are Jordan Poole and Immanuel Quickley.

And if we are going to take a breather, in a scenario where we look hopeless to be a contender, I’d like to trade for Cam Thomas with a trade where we give Nets a defensive player (Danny Green, Jaden Springer and Drummond?) off a three way deal.

[76ciology]

I dont know man..

But I think Embiid spilling made things worse but I dont know whats the situation so maybe Embiid have better judgement. Maybe the situation was really bad anyways, and the team has to let Embiid speak out to justify not paying Ben.

Remember that the team has received a lot of heat by not paying its staff. So it makes sense to make Embiid their spokeperson prior to not paying Ben.

They probably decided to just get it done and move him the day before that. Now I think we will start seeing leaks of more teams in the running or interested over the next week

I think it’s weeks in the making.

Sixers know at one point this news about them not paying Ben would take place, and in today’s world they wouldnt look good after they also didnt pay their staff during pandemic and that long time sixers trainer.

So they let Embiid be the spoke person and make the spill. Which is warranted and totally fine by me because Ben asked this after his selfish actions.

So now, Ben doesnt get paid and Sixers wont be in the spotlight from the MSM and sports media

Just connecting the dots. And its non issue for me.

I just dont see how it makes sense if say Morey is in a middle of a trade talk and im pretty sure the team gave Biid the green light

[Sportfan73]

I dont know man..

But I think Embiid spilling made things worse but I dont know whats the situation so maybe Embiid have better judgement. Maybe the situation was really bad anyways, and the team has to let Embiid speak out to justify not paying Ben.

Remember that the team has received a lot of heat by not paying its staff. So it makes sense to make Embiid their spokeperson prior to not paying Ben.

They probably decided to just get it done and move him the day before that. Now I think we will start seeing leaks of more teams in the running or interested over the next week

I think it’s weeks in the making.

Sixers know at one point this news about them not paying Ben would take place, and in today’s world they wouldnt look good after they also didnt pay their staff during pandemic and that long time sixers trainer.

So they let Embiid be the spoke person and make the spill. Which is warranted and totally fine by me because Ben asked this after his selfish actions.

So now, Ben doesnt get paid and Sixers wont be in the spotlight from the MSM and sports media

Just connecting the dots. And its non issue for me.

I just dont see how it makes sense if say Morey is in a middle of a trade talk and im pretty sure the team gave Biid the green light

Either way I think we’re close and it won’t be Minnesota. That’s as far as I’ll go but I think it’s a team trying to jump to a contender more than a team trying to jump to the play in

[syntax]

I dont know man..

But I think Embiid spilling made things worse but I dont know whats the situation so maybe Embiid have better judgement. Maybe the situation was really bad anyways, and the team has to let Embiid speak out to justify not paying Ben.

Remember that the team has received a lot of heat by not paying its staff. So it makes sense to make Embiid their spokeperson prior to not paying Ben.

They probably decided to just get it done and move him the day before that. Now I think we will start seeing leaks of more teams in the running or interested over the next week

I think it’s weeks in the making.

Sixers know at one point this news about them not paying Ben would take place, and in today’s world they wouldnt look good after they also didnt pay their staff during pandemic and that long time sixers trainer.

So they let Embiid be the spoke person and make the spill. Which is warranted and totally fine by me because Ben asked this after his selfish actions.

So now, Ben doesnt get paid and Sixers wont be in the spotlight from the MSM and sports media

Just connecting the dots. And its non issue for me.

I just dont see how it makes sense if say Morey is in a middle of a trade talk and im pretty sure the team gave Biid the green light

Embiid made a bunch of bogus claims about Ben which makes him look extremely petty - especially when he tried to suck up to Ben to get him to play for the Sixers again and when that didn't work, changed his tune and slagged him off with his bogus claims. Situation is going well.

[kriss73]

The funny thing about other fanbases' proposed trades for Simmons is that they almost always want Ben PLUS Maxey for role players and protected future picks

[76ciology]

They probably decided to just get it done and move him the day before that. Now I think we will start seeing leaks of more teams in the running or interested over the next week

I think it’s weeks in the making.

Sixers know at one point this news about them not paying Ben would take place, and in today’s world they wouldnt look good after they also didnt pay their staff during pandemic and that long time sixers trainer.

So they let Embiid be the spoke person and make the spill. Which is warranted and totally fine by me because Ben asked this after his selfish actions.

So now, Ben doesnt get paid and Sixers wont be in the spotlight from the MSM and sports media

Just connecting the dots. And its non issue for me.

I just dont see how it makes sense if say Morey is in a middle of a trade talk and im pretty sure the team gave Biid the green light

Embiid made a bunch of bogus claims about Ben which makes him look extremely petty - especially when he tried to suck up to Ben to get him to play for the Sixers again and when that didn't work, changed his tune and slagged him off with his bogus claims. Situation is going well.

Never been bogus.

I dont know why there’s contradicting reports on this. But Ben and Biid have separate camps. And they have separate people in the higher ups. Its kind of US politics. Ben and Biid wanted the team to be run two different ways.

2018-2019 = Biid got what he wanted. Ben tantrums
2019-2020 = Ben got what he wanted. Biid tantrums
2020-2021 = Biid got what he wanted. Ben tantrums

Ben does not want to play with another guard. He has issues with pick and rolls and playing with Fultz and Jimmy.

In that Jimmy interview, Ben was THAT guy who Jimmy said how some players wants CARS, fame and fortune.

[sixers4real]

Guys, how about we discuss what to do with the Roster without Ben?

I think we need a defensive wing.
- Cheap alternatives are Gary Clark and Anthony Tolliver, Morey went to this route last season.
- Thad is underrated
- Maybe Paul Reed is ready

I think Maxey and Shake can step up and more than replace what Ben brings on offense. There will be some early pains but it will be OK once we get our rhythm. A couple of guys who I like are Jordan Poole and Immanuel Quickley.

And if we are going to take a breather, in a scenario where we look hopeless to be a contender, I’d like to trade for Cam Thomas with a trade where we give Nets a defensive player (Danny Green, Jaden Springer and Drummond?) off a three way deal.

I don’t think they make any trade before they decide what’s up with Simmons.

It’s clear they are starting Maxey and running full bench line-up of Milton, Kork, Tisse, Niang, Drummond.

I’d say they are doing all the right things as of now, at least I predicted all of that to happen the way it’s happening.

And lol at trading Danny Green for Cam Thomas. Danny is very important for us. As he was for his previous three NBA title teams.

[76ciology]

Here’s what I think is in Ben’s mind on why he sticked this long with the team.

I think he thought this thing will work with Biid.

Ben and Biid on the court = good

Team just need to structure a team that can be good with him as alpha and Biid off the floor.

We saw this during the 10-20 game winning streak in 2018, 2018 first round and 2019-2020 season with non-Embiid 5 man units having positive in +/-.

But.. Morey comes in. This guy loves this one sided defensive C back-ups like Omer Asik for D12 and Mutombo for Yao. Morey also likes the structure of a two top tier star players lead team. Then there’s Doc where he always had a Player who you can just give the ball and run halfcourt offense like Darrell Armstrong, CP3, Rondo and Kawhi or PG. what’s worse? The emergence of Maxey which is under KLUTCH It was the perfect storm.

There was no chance that Ben can demand the structure he wants. Doc and Morey sense it so they talked to Ben’s camp and tried to meet halfway by signing Niang and sell him the idea of a small ball team that Ben wants

Ben knows he’s a deadman walking on this team and it just makes so much sense to asks for a trade right now with a handful of teams that wants him and really fits his style of play.

He’s fighting for survival

Just my two cents

[Tomjas]

Guys, how about we discuss what to do with the Roster without Ben?

I think we need a defensive wing.
- Cheap alternatives are Gary Clark and Anthony Tolliver, Morey went to this route last season.
- Thad is underrated
- Maybe Paul Reed is ready

I think Maxey and Shake can step up and more than replace what Ben brings on offense. There will be some early pains but it will be OK once we get our rhythm. A couple of guys who I like are Jordan Poole and Immanuel Quickley.

And if we are going to take a breather, in a scenario where we look hopeless to be a contender, I’d like to trade for Cam Thomas with a trade where we give Nets a defensive player (Danny Green, Jaden Springer and Drummond?) off a three way deal.

I don’t think they make any trade before they decide what’s up with Simmons.

It’s clear they are starting Maxey and running full bench line-up of Milton, Kork, Tisse, Niang, Drummond.

I’d say they are doing all the right things as of now, at least I predicted all of that to happen the way it’s happening.

And lol at trading Danny Green for Cam Thomas. Danny is very important for us. As he was for his previous three NBA title teams.

Simmons is gone

That’s what is up with him

[76ciology]

And lol at trading Danny Green for Cam Thomas. Danny is very important for us. As he was for his previous three NBA title teams.

Thanks this assures me that this is likely a fair deal than a laughable one from the Nets perspective.

While yes I see your point, but Im talking to explore this deal when we see this season as a throw away and we’re trading a depreciating asset in Green over a really promising guard in Cam Thomas. You wont have that window in the next season and your chances of doing that deal decreases a lot as time goes by.

Its kind of a trojan horse where you satisfy the hunger of the Nets by helping them win then let the “disease of more” lead them to their collapse which coincides to your rise with an upgraded roster the following season.

[Sportfan73]

Guys, how about we discuss what to do with the Roster without Ben?

I think we need a defensive wing.
- Cheap alternatives are Gary Clark and Anthony Tolliver, Morey went to this route last season.
- Thad is underrated
- Maybe Paul Reed is ready

I think Maxey and Shake can step up and more than replace what Ben brings on offense. There will be some early pains but it will be OK once we get our rhythm. A couple of guys who I like are Jordan Poole and Immanuel Quickley.

And if we are going to take a breather, in a scenario where we look hopeless to be a contender, I’d like to trade for Cam Thomas with a trade where we give Nets a defensive player (Danny Green, Jaden Springer and Drummond?) off a three way deal.

I don’t think they make any trade before they decide what’s up with Simmons.

It’s clear they are starting Maxey and running full bench line-up of Milton, Kork, Tisse, Niang, Drummond.

I’d say they are doing all the right things as of now, at least I predicted all of that to happen the way it’s happening.

And lol at trading Danny Green for Cam Thomas. Danny is very important for us. As he was for his previous three NBA title teams.

Simmons is gone

That’s what is up with him

Like not making it to opening night gone

[Tomjas]

I don’t think they make any trade before they decide what’s up with Simmons.

It’s clear they are starting Maxey and running full bench line-up of Milton, Kork, Tisse, Niang, Drummond.

I’d say they are doing all the right things as of now, at least I predicted all of that to happen the way it’s happening.

And lol at trading Danny Green for Cam Thomas. Danny is very important for us. As he was for his previous three NBA title teams.

Simmons is gone

That’s what is up with him

Like not making it to opening night gone

The timing of a trade is not up to him but I will be surprised if he comes back just to be a good soldier while waiting to be moved

Too much water under the bridge