Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

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Our resident Ben cultists are STILL defending this bum.

I don't get it, if he is a bum, trade him for some bums and let's get on with it.

[Sixerscan]

The team was certainly built around Ben to some extent for the simple reason that any small sacrifice he has to make pales in comparison to everyone else having to accommodate him not shooting. He just has to deal with Embiid posting up sometimes, they have to build the entire offense around having a point guard that doesn't shoot jump shots. Even when Embiid is posting up he's being impacted by Simmons not shooting jump shots. Which is fine btw I'm just pointing out how the logic that they aren't accommodating him is ridiculous.

[Rastas]

Our resident Ben cultists are STILL defending this bum.

You Guy's still on your Rag's I see.

[the_process]

Our resident Ben cultists are STILL defending this bum.

I don't get it, if he is a bum, trade him for some bums and let's get on with it.

If you are just an Aussie Ben stan (don’t know why those still exist considering he keeps avoiding playing for the Boomers at the Olympics), why would you care what the Sixers get for him? Do you have a pony in this show?

[Sportfan73]

It’s interesting to me that windhorst not only mentioned Indiana but also mentioned then in a way that they not only could but would be willing to put offer a package few teams could rival. And he mentions having all of their picks. What if it’s just Brogdon warren and multiple firsts? Or Brogdon, filler, and 3 firsts

[spikeslovechild]

I hope there will be a owner union to ban these type of players. Im all for that.

Make sure to not give them an NBA contract

Either that or NBA should also explore banning players who goes renegade on their team after an investigation whether its warranted or not.

The Sixers have been trying to trade him for months

IF he comes back, it will only be for a short time, a massive distraction, he might take time from developing players and, worst case scenario, he sustains a serious injury

Better to let him sit out

This is the first time I agree with you. Simmons at this point has created a toxic environment if he does come back at some point it needs to be much later when everyone has cooled down.

Him sitting out at this point is doing the Sixers a massive favor. It makes it so much easier for the team to move on and comparilize things plus there is less pressure from ownership since he won't be getting paid. If he continues to stay away from the team this could drag on for a long time there is really nothing forcing the sixers to do anything.

[Sportfan73]

I hope there will be a owner union to ban these type of players. Im all for that.

Make sure to not give them an NBA contract

Either that or NBA should also explore banning players who goes renegade on their team after an investigation whether its warranted or not.

The Sixers have been trying to trade him for months

IF he comes back, it will only be for a short time, a massive distraction, he might take time from developing players and, worst case scenario, he sustains a serious injury

Better to let him sit out

This is the first time I agree with you. Simmons at this point has created a toxic environment if he does come back at some point it needs to be much later when everyone has cooled down.

Him sitting out at this point is doing the Sixers a massive favor. It makes it so much easier for the team to move on and comparilize things plus there is less pressure from ownership since he won't be getting paid. If he continues to stay away from the team this could drag on for a long time there is really nothing forcing the sixers to do anything.

Other teams upping their offers would push things along

[Negrodamus]

It’s interesting to me that windhorst not only mentioned Indiana but also mentioned then in a way that they not only could but would be willing to put offer a package few teams could rival. And he mentions having all of their picks. What if it’s just Brogdon warren and multiple firsts? Or Brogdon, filler, and 3 firsts

If it’s Brogdon, Warren, and multiple firsts (depending on protections), then you have to do that. That would be a massive overpay for a guy who provides little on the offensive end, especially come playoff time.

[Tomjas]

I hope there will be a owner union to ban these type of players. Im all for that.

Make sure to not give them an NBA contract

Either that or NBA should also explore banning players who goes renegade on their team after an investigation whether its warranted or not.

The Sixers have been trying to trade him for months

IF he comes back, it will only be for a short time, a massive distraction, he might take time from developing players and, worst case scenario, he sustains a serious injury

Better to let him sit out

This is the first time I agree with you. Simmons at this point has created a toxic environment if he does come back at some point it needs to be much later when everyone has cooled down.

Him sitting out at this point is doing the Sixers a massive favor. It makes it so much easier for the team to move on and comparilize things plus there is less pressure from ownership since he won't be getting paid. If he continues to stay away from the team this could drag on for a long time there is really nothing forcing the sixers to do anything.

How has Simmons created a toxic environment when he’s staying away from the team and not taking potshots at anyone?

Read the leaks

They say nothing other than that he wants out and are very tame

This is nothing like what Jimmy or others have done

[SixersFanInNY]

It’s interesting to me that windhorst not only mentioned Indiana but also mentioned then in a way that they not only could but would be willing to put offer a package few teams could rival. And he mentions having all of their picks. What if it’s just Brogdon warren and multiple firsts? Or Brogdon, filler, and 3 firsts

According to the trade checker here, filler isn't needed since Indy is under the cap. So you could have Brogdon + firsts/swap. Given Brogdon's health, I assume the picks would be unprotected.

[ProcessDoctor]

I would want 4 picks in addition to Brogdan to even consider that offer. He's an average starter and gives us no real shot at winning a championship.

[SixersSince82]

It’s interesting to me that windhorst not only mentioned Indiana but also mentioned then in a way that they not only could but would be willing to put offer a package few teams could rival. And he mentions having all of their picks. What if it’s just Brogdon warren and multiple firsts? Or Brogdon, filler, and 3 firsts

Brogdon, Warren and lets say 2 firsts? I'm in. I dont think it makes them to real legit contenders but it's probably a small improvement pending those dudes health, and the 2 firsts start to fill out a war chest to cash in on once a real star becomes available.

[76ciology]

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[Sportfan73]

It’s interesting to me that windhorst not only mentioned Indiana but also mentioned then in a way that they not only could but would be willing to put offer a package few teams could rival. And he mentions having all of their picks. What if it’s just Brogdon warren and multiple firsts? Or Brogdon, filler, and 3 firsts

Brogdon, Warren and lets say 2 firsts? I'm in. I dont think it makes them to real legit contenders but it's probably a small improvement pending those dudes health, and the 2 firsts start to fill out a war chest to cash in on once a real star becomes available.

And they both are movable contracts with real value as well

[the_process]

Let’s stop with the Indiana stuff. Detroit is apparently interested now.

DET gets Simmons and Springer
PHI gets Grant, Bey, Hield, and VanVleet
SAC gets Harris and Milton
TOR gets Bagley and Hayes

[Sportfan73]

Let’s stop with the Indiana stuff. Detroit is apparently interested now.

DET gets Simmons and Springer
PHI gets Grant, Bey, Hield, and VanVleet
SAC gets Harris and Milton
TOR gets Bagley and Hayes

They 100 percent are not trading Harris. Like MAYBE next offseason but this isn’t 2k.

[KramerDSP]

Ben Simmons for:

Malcolm Brogdon
TJ McConnell
IND 22 swap rights
IND 23 1st (unprotected)
IND 24 swap rights
IND 25 1st (unprotected)

Brogdon wouldn’t be sexy, but he would keep us in the hunt and I think he would work well with Embiid. Then there’s the return of one of the most beloved Sixers ever, a guy that plays every second of every game like it’s his last and will keep the vibe great in the locker room.

We also get to throw a decent godfather offer down the line that includes:
- Swap rights to best of PHI-IND 22 (IND gets least favorable)
- PHI 23
- IND 23
- swap rights to IND 24
- IND 25
- swap rights to PHI 26
- PHI 27
- swap rights to PHI 28

That’s four picks, three swaps, and a souped up swap to dangle with players sans the departed Simmons for someone we want to go all in on in Embiid’s prime. The sad thing though is that NOP still beats our offer with Ingram and picks, and so does OKC with their warchest.

Edit - that should have read best of PHI-IND 24 as well with IND getting the least favorable again. So that’d be four picks, two swaps, and two souped up swaps.

[Iverson Armband]

Ben Simmons is not worth an above average starter and another teams whole future. Lol c’mon guys, if you were an Indiana you’d be ok with your GM doing that?

[Negrodamus]

Ben Simmons is not worth an above average starter and another teams whole future. Lol c’mon guys, if you were an Indiana you’d be ok with your GM doing that?

While I agree with you, Ben's upside is what allures teams. Additionally, he is the first marketable All-Star that would be on the Pacers since Paul George.

LeVert, Sabonis, Ben, Turner, and Brissett would be enough to make them a top 5 seed in the East.

[mzfk69]

I would want 4 picks in addition to Brogdan to even consider that offer. He's an average starter and gives us no real shot at winning a championship.

I think a 25-year-old Durant would be fair compensation for Ben.