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[JRoy]

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Pistons offer around Grant, Hayes and Bey. Works on a variety of levels.

If that offer is on the table PHI should take it

[Lovetron Joe]

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Pistons offer around Grant, Hayes and Bey. Works on a variety of levels.

I dobut they would offer their best player for him. Hes not go to first option they would want him as second option playmaker for grant.

Cunningham is their best player.

[Roy The Natural]

I kind of think it makes Ben look like a difficult player though. That's why I think it hurts trade value. Also makes it clear that Philly can't mend it with Ben, a narrative Philly are trying to push is that they can.

It's interesting because I really don't see any reason whatsoever for Ben's value to rise when he's not on the court. We haven't really heard anything outside Kyrie that sounds remotely close to what Morey reportedly wants. In the end, a Ben Simmons trade may be tied more to the play of Maxey and/or Thybulle and them proving to be enough to get the 76ers over the hump in trade conversations for a better player than Simmons.

I just don't see how you go from Brogdon and a 1st and offers like that to acquiring Beal for Simmons and picks/unspectacular prospects. There's an implicit notion that of a team plays poorly to start the year, then all of the sudden the play is to value a guy a ton more than you did 2 months ago. When he's not on the court to prove that you should. I just don't think it's a reality based belief.

We've watched 4 consecutive seasons of Ben Simmons being largely the exact same player on the court (his defensive improvement from good to elite aside). What exactly is there left to "prove" on the court?

Exactly. In what way should we expect his value to rise from where it's at now?... The 76ers have been exploring trade options for months. What exactly would trigger a massive leap in Simmons value? If he's not on the court, I don't see a scenario in which his value moves in the direction that Morey would like.

[NYG]

It's interesting because I really don't see any reason whatsoever for Ben's value to rise when he's not on the court. We haven't really heard anything outside Kyrie that sounds remotely close to what Morey reportedly wants. In the end, a Ben Simmons trade may be tied more to the play of Maxey and/or Thybulle and them proving to be enough to get the 76ers over the hump in trade conversations for a better player than Simmons.

I just don't see how you go from Brogdon and a 1st and offers like that to acquiring Beal for Simmons and picks/unspectacular prospects. There's an implicit notion that of a team plays poorly to start the year, then all of the sudden the play is to value a guy a ton more than you did 2 months ago. When he's not on the court to prove that you should. I just don't think it's a reality based belief.

We've watched 4 consecutive seasons of Ben Simmons being largely the exact same player on the court (his defensive improvement from good to elite aside). What exactly is there left to "prove" on the court?

Exactly. In what way should we expect his value to rise from where it's at now?... The 76ers have been exploring trade options for months. What exactly would trigger a massive leap in Simmons value? If he's not on the court, I don't see a scenario in which his value moves in the direction that Morey would like.

It only takes one team to make a good offer. Everyone has an optimistic view of their team right now. Let a few games play out and injuries and bad results will change what some teams would offer.

Or... what if Embiid gets hurt? That allows you to sit Simmons all year and let some team think he's their missing defensive piece after the playoffs play out and teams are exposed.

[NYG]

I really think unless Beal or Lillard become available, he's staying on the 76ers.

Also for all of his flaws, tell me a better individual headline piece than Simmons being offered in a Bradley Beal trade.

[SixersSince82]

Exactly. In what way should we expect his value to rise from where it's at now?... The 76ers have been exploring trade options for months. What exactly would trigger a massive leap in Simmons value? If he's not on the court, I don't see a scenario in which his value moves in the direction that Morey would like.

The harsh reality of the regular season as opposed to the false hope filled summer. When the Kings start 2-7, they'll up their offer. Same with some other squads that will likely stink.

But I agree... Ben Simmons playing or sitting isn't going to affect his trade value. (Unless he were to come back and shoot jumpers.)

[the_process]

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Pistons offer around Grant, Hayes and Bey. Works on a variety of levels.

I was going to say the Pistons are a new team interested.

DET gets Simmons and Springer
PHI gets Grant, Bey, Hield, and VanVleet
SAC gets Harris and Milton
TOR gets Bagley and Hayes

[jbk1234]

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This is behind a paywall but inquiring about availability makes it sounds like Morey really isn't negotiating with them.

[Lovetron Joe]

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Pistons offer around Grant, Hayes and Bey. Works on a variety of levels.

I was going to say the Pistons are a new team interested. Any offer with Grant and Bey is a yes.

Both Grant and Bey have Philly backgrounds, are not represented by Klutch, play solid D and can hit the three. Someone like Josh Jackson could make the salaries match.

Detroit builds around Ben and Cunningham. They sell high on Grant who is tight with Embiid.

[Roy The Natural]

I really think unless Beal or Lillard become available, he's staying on the 76ers.

Also for all of his flaws, tell me a better individual headline piece than Simmons being offered in a Bradley Beal trade.

I think that's naive thinking. What's to say a rebuilding team is interested in Simmons at all. Much like the Rockets, I believe many teams will balk at the idea of centering a rebuilding trade around Simmons and will want picks and rookie scale prospects.

Brandon Ingram would be a better headline piece easily. Especially if you're starting a rebuild. He was rumored to be available for Lillard.

[Roy The Natural]

Exactly. In what way should we expect his value to rise from where it's at now?... The 76ers have been exploring trade options for months. What exactly would trigger a massive leap in Simmons value? If he's not on the court, I don't see a scenario in which his value moves in the direction that Morey would like.

The harsh reality of the regular season as opposed to the false hope filled summer. When the Kings start 2-7, they'll up their offer. Same with some other squads that will likely stink.

But I agree... Ben Simmons playing or sitting isn't going to affect his trade value. (Unless he were to come back and shoot jumpers.)

It makes no sense to me. The Kings aren't going to go 2-7 and all of the sudden pony up Fox. It's not going to work like that. When/if these teams struggle, a large reason for that will likely be struggles from players that the 76ers were interested in previously. If Haliburton come out and struggles for 2 months, then the Kings come back around to the trade, are the 76ers even ready to bite that bullet and bank on his rookie season?

I just think there's an extreme amount of naivety when it comes to what's going to happen here. The most likely outcome is still that the 76ers get a an extremely similar package during the season to one they'd get now.

All sorts of other players stock will go up or down. But it's highly unlikely that some team will panic after 8-9 games and dramatically increase the offer that they've no doubt already conversed with Philly about.

[jbk1234]

I really think unless Beal or Lillard become available, he's staying on the 76ers.

Also for all of his flaws, tell me a better individual headline piece than Simmons being offered in a Bradley Beal trade.

It's been pretty well reported that the Warriors will move every prospect they have and picks for Beal, and if the Wizards trade Beal, they're starting from scratch. There won't be any retooling for the Wizards without Beal. If Beal comes on the market, the only thing that stops him from getting shipped out to GS is Beal saying he won't re-sign there. If he won't commit to GS, then I struggle seeing him committing to Philly.

If Dame becomes available this season (a scenario that is looking less and less likely), then Portland would have to prefer retooling around Simmons and maintaining their current payroll, versus a package with better rebuilding assets. But even if that would be Portland's preference, then I see them insisting on the Sixers adding value.

[jbk1234]

Exactly. In what way should we expect his value to rise from where it's at now?... The 76ers have been exploring trade options for months. What exactly would trigger a massive leap in Simmons value? If he's not on the court, I don't see a scenario in which his value moves in the direction that Morey would like.

The harsh reality of the regular season as opposed to the false hope filled summer. When the Kings start 2-7, they'll up their offer. Same with some other squads that will likely stink.

But I agree... Ben Simmons playing or sitting isn't going to affect his trade value. (Unless he were to come back and shoot jumpers.)

It makes no sense to me. The Kings aren't going to go 2-7 and all of the sudden pony up Fox. It's not going to work like that. When/if these teams struggle, a large reason for that will likely be struggles from players that the 76ers were interested in previously. If Haliburton come out and struggles for 2 months, then the Kings come back around to the trade, are the 76ers even ready to bite that bullet and bank on his rookie season?

I just think there's an extreme amount of naivety when it comes to what's going to happen here. The most likely outcome is still that the 76ers get a an extremely similar package during the season to one they'd get now.

All sorts of other players stock will go up or down. But it's highly unlikely that some team will panic after 8-9 games and dramatically increase the offer that they've no doubt already conversed with Philly about.

I actually could see it with the Kings and Fox. I don't see a scenario where Simmons and Fox are a good fit anyway, and if the Kings conclude they're a lottery team with Fox as their best player after a rough start (which is probably a question they should've been asking themselves before Simmons was made available), it seems perfectly plausible to me. The issue is whether Morey still holds out for Fox+ as was reported this summer.

[kuclas]

Pistons offer around Grant, Hayes and Bey. Works on a variety of levels.

I was going to say the Pistons are a new team interested. Any offer with Grant and Bey is a yes.

Both Grant and Bey have Philly backgrounds, are not represented by Klutch, play solid D and can hit the three. Someone like Josh Jackson could make the salaries match.

Detroit builds around Ben and Cunningham. They sell high on Grant who is tight with Embiid.

We are at a standstill. The only way I see sixers accepting any of the previously mentioned trades is if embiid goes down for extended time early in the season and sixers do a 1996 spurs tank job like the spurs did with David Robinson injured and got lucky to get tim Duncan

Grant isn’t coming as the main piece in any Simmons trade.

Anything can happen if embiid goes down. Right now sixers need an iso player end of game situation who can function as de factor primary ball handler and play at least average defense.

[SixersSince82]

Exactly. In what way should we expect his value to rise from where it's at now?... The 76ers have been exploring trade options for months. What exactly would trigger a massive leap in Simmons value? If he's not on the court, I don't see a scenario in which his value moves in the direction that Morey would like.

The harsh reality of the regular season as opposed to the false hope filled summer. When the Kings start 2-7, they'll up their offer. Same with some other squads that will likely stink.

But I agree... Ben Simmons playing or sitting isn't going to affect his trade value. (Unless he were to come back and shoot jumpers.)

It makes no sense to me. The Kings aren't going to go 2-7 and all of the sudden pony up Fox. It's not going to work like that. When/if these teams struggle, a large reason for that will likely be struggles from players that the 76ers were interested in previously. If Haliburton come out and struggles for 2 months, then the Kings come back around to the trade, are the 76ers even ready to bite that bullet and bank on his rookie season?

I just think there's an extreme amount of naivety when it comes to what's going to happen here. The most likely outcome is still that the 76ers get a an extremely similar package during the season to one they'd get now.

All sorts of other players stock will go up or down. But it's highly unlikely that some team will panic after 8-9 games and dramatically increase the offer that they've no doubt already conversed with Philly about.

I agree they likely won't pony up Fox but they'll put Haliburton and picks on the table. Something, that constitutes a better offer than the Reported Hield and Bagley deal. The Kings opening schedule is real tough. And if not them, there will be several other team's who miss their offseason expectations. Every team can't be good.

If you dont think GMs/owners get desperate when their teams continually stink then you haven't watched NBA basketball, lol.

[Roy The Natural]

The harsh reality of the regular season as opposed to the false hope filled summer. When the Kings start 2-7, they'll up their offer. Same with some other squads that will likely stink.

But I agree... Ben Simmons playing or sitting isn't going to affect his trade value. (Unless he were to come back and shoot jumpers.)

It makes no sense to me. The Kings aren't going to go 2-7 and all of the sudden pony up Fox. It's not going to work like that. When/if these teams struggle, a large reason for that will likely be struggles from players that the 76ers were interested in previously. If Haliburton come out and struggles for 2 months, then the Kings come back around to the trade, are the 76ers even ready to bite that bullet and bank on his rookie season?

I just think there's an extreme amount of naivety when it comes to what's going to happen here. The most likely outcome is still that the 76ers get a an extremely similar package during the season to one they'd get now.

All sorts of other players stock will go up or down. But it's highly unlikely that some team will panic after 8-9 games and dramatically increase the offer that they've no doubt already conversed with Philly about.

I agree they likely won't pony up Fox but they'll put Haliburton and picks on the table. Something, that constitutes a better offer than the Reported Hield and Bagley deal. The Kings opening schedule is real tough. And if not them, there will be several other team's who miss their offseason expectations. Every team can't be good.

If you dont think GMs/owners get desperate when their teams continually stink then you haven't watched NBA basketball, lol.

I don't think teams panic 10 games into the season very often. How many trades do we see in November? Not many

We go through this every year. Rumored offers are thrown out there... Best player in the deals team balks, and in the end, they get an offer right on the mark for the rumored offers. Anthony Davis went like this. James Harden went like this.

It's highly doubtful that given the situation currently, the offers are going to become significantly better. That's just the reality based on precedent.

Ben Simmons isn't even a good enough player to necessitate a panic trade. He might make your team better if you're the Kings. But he hasn't in any way proven to be impactful enough to take you from a start that looks like you're headed for a top 7 pick, into the tail end of the playoffs. If anything, a team like the Kings would also be much better served riding it out to the deadline, and perhaps the off-season with a shiny new lotto pick and bringing Simmons in then.

The pressure isn't on the other teams. Simmons isn't that level of player. The pressure is on the 76ers. They can wait as long as they'd like. However, they're banking on a lot of young guys stepping up, and if they don't... The 76ers have a lot more reason to panic then these other teams with marginal expectations do.

There's a quite frankly ridiculous notion by some that a panic trade will materialize in late December when some 8-18 team panics and thinks Ben Simmons is the answer to all their problems. However, that notion spits in the face of reality. Ben Simmons isn't going to take any singular team from a 30% winrate to the 60% winrate needed to make the playoffs afterwards. I find it extremely hard to believe that some front office will have that thought process.

The most likely scenario by far is that at some point the 76ers give in to an offer that is about the same as we've seen rumored.

[Roy The Natural]

I really think unless Beal or Lillard become available, he's staying on the 76ers.

Also for all of his flaws, tell me a better individual headline piece than Simmons being offered in a Bradley Beal trade.

It's been pretty well reported that the Warriors will move every prospect they have and picks for Beal, and if the Wizards trade Beal, they're starting from scratch. There won't be any retooling for the Wizards without Beal. If Beal comes on the market, the only thing that stops him from getting shipped out to GS is Beal saying he won't re-sign there. If he won't commit to GS, then I struggle seeing him committing to Philly.

If Dame becomes available this season (a scenario that is looking less and less likely), then Portland would have to prefer retooling around Simmons and maintaining their current payroll, versus a package with better rebuilding assets. But even if that would be Portland's preference, then I see them insisting on the Sixers adding value.

There were rumors that the Pelicans would move Brandon Ingram for Lillard. I can't see a scenario in which the 76ers can provide a better retool package then the Pelicans or the myriad of other teams that will inevitably throw their hat in the ring.

I think the idea of the 76ers cashing in Simmons+ for a certifiable star above him is pretty much out the window at this point. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that it is a plausibility outside wishful thinking on posters who are perhaps irrationally high on Simmons.

Simmons is a hard player to build around, and at this point he's proven to be extremely fickle as an asset. He's on unnecessary risk for any team hoping to retool. There will be more stable and versatile assets available to a team like Portland in the event that Lillard is moved

[NYG]

I really think unless Beal or Lillard become available, he's staying on the 76ers.

Also for all of his flaws, tell me a better individual headline piece than Simmons being offered in a Bradley Beal trade.

It's been pretty well reported that the Warriors will move every prospect they have and picks for Beal, and if the Wizards trade Beal, they're starting from scratch. There won't be any retooling for the Wizards without Beal. If Beal comes on the market, the only thing that stops him from getting shipped out to GS is Beal saying he won't re-sign there. If he won't commit to GS, then I struggle seeing him committing to Philly.

If Dame becomes available this season (a scenario that is looking less and less likely), then Portland would have to prefer retooling around Simmons and maintaining their current payroll, versus a package with better rebuilding assets. But even if that would be Portland's preference, then I see them insisting on the Sixers adding value.

There were rumors that the Pelicans would move Brandon Ingram for Lillard. I can't see a scenario in which the 76ers can provide a better retool package then the Pelicans or the myriad of other teams that will inevitably throw their hat in the ring.

I think the idea of the 76ers cashing in Simmons+ for a certifiable star above him is pretty much out the window at this point. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that it is a plausibility outside wishful thinking on posters who are perhaps irrationally high on Simmons.

Simmons is a hard player to build around, and at this point he's proven to be extremely fickle as an asset. He's on unnecessary risk for any team hoping to retool. There will be more stable and versatile assets available to a team like Portland in the event that Lillard is moved

My point wasn't that the 76ers will get Beal or Lillard, just they won't trade him if they don't.

[SNPA]

The best way for Morey to get a star back is to trade Simmons for a youth/picks/movable salary deal and wait for the next guy to come loose, then unload with all the assets they have now and acquire for Simmons. A two step process. Sitting and waiting only lowers Morey’s leverage.

[Sportfan73]

I really think unless Beal or Lillard become available, he's staying on the 76ers.

Also for all of his flaws, tell me a better individual headline piece than Simmons being offered in a Bradley Beal trade.

It's been pretty well reported that the Warriors will move every prospect they have and picks for Beal, and if the Wizards trade Beal, they're starting from scratch. There won't be any retooling for the Wizards without Beal. If Beal comes on the market, the only thing that stops him from getting shipped out to GS is Beal saying he won't re-sign there. If he won't commit to GS, then I struggle seeing him committing to Philly.

If Dame becomes available this season (a scenario that is looking less and less likely), then Portland would have to prefer retooling around Simmons and maintaining their current payroll, versus a package with better rebuilding assets. But even if that would be Portland's preference, then I see them insisting on the Sixers adding value.

There were rumors that the Pelicans would move Brandon Ingram for Lillard. I can't see a scenario in which the 76ers can provide a better retool package then the Pelicans or the myriad of other teams that will inevitably throw their hat in the ring.

I think the idea of the 76ers cashing in Simmons+ for a certifiable star above him is pretty much out the window at this point. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that it is a plausibility outside wishful thinking on posters who are perhaps irrationally high on Simmons.

Simmons is a hard player to build around, and at this point he's proven to be extremely fickle as an asset. He's on unnecessary risk for any team hoping to retool. There will be more stable and versatile assets available to a team like Portland in the event that Lillard is moved

Philly fan here, and thank you for everything you are saying. They aren’t getting a better offer 10 games in ESPECIALLY if morey isn’t after picks and futures like all reports have said he isn’t. They aren’t holding him until next offseason only to get .25 cents on the dollar for him, this isn’t 2k. I do think if morey starts to listen to offers now between now and opening night they can get a good deal. But all of this hold for a year or hold until trade deadline stuff is insane and absolutely won’t happen. Opposing teams would be so worried about optics and trading for a guy that did that at that point that his value would be INCREDIBLY low. Also he’s not going to a rebuilding team I don’t think because he’s just not the guy you want to start a rebuild with. He’s going to go to a team that’s looking to jump into the top 4 in their conference imo and that team will want him there before opening night