Was Prime Wade same tier as Prime Kobe or tier below?

[Colbinii]

Wase was always a very good shooter between 10-23 feet, he just never became a good 3 point shooter (like MJ and Kobe) . Kobe was better from mid-range but not by a significant margin. And Kobe and Wade have an identical TS% for their careers of 55.0%, which encompasses every form of shooting/scoring.

Jordan was never a good 3 point shooter and Kobe was at best "slightly above average" at the 3 ball.

Kobe was 32.9% for his career. MJ was 32.7%. Both of those numbers are well below average.

I misread your post. When you say "Wade was never a good 3 point shooter (Like MJ and Kobe)" I had interpreted as you saying MJ and Kobe were good 3 point shooters.

I agree, both were not good 3 point shooters but Kobe was (Slightlt above average, as I said) at certain points in his career.

[The_Hater]

Jordan was never a good 3 point shooter and Kobe was at best "slightly above average" at the 3 ball.

Kobe was 32.9% for his career. MJ was 32.7%. Both of those numbers are well below average.

I misread your post. When you say "Wade was never a good 3 point shooter (Like MJ and Kobe)" I had interpreted as you saying MJ and Kobe were good 3 point shooters.

I agree, both were not good 3 point shooters but Kobe was (Slightlt above average, as I said) at certain points in his career.

Ya I just corrected it. It was poorly written on my part. Cheers.

[DCasey91]

Kobe for prime (lasted much longer obv)

Equal or slightly Wade for peak. Wade at his best was a more well rounded 6”4” Lebron James. Absolute monster

Kobe could score lights out but Wade did some crazy wild stuff every game for those couple of seasons.

[Strepbacter]

This shouldn’t even be conversation. Wade never learned to shoot…

Wade was always a very good shooter between 10-23 feet, he just never became a good 3 point shooter (slightly worse than MJ and Kobe) . Kobe was better from mid-range but not by a significant margin. And Kobe and Wade have an identical TS% for their careers of 55.0%, which encompasses every form of shooting/scoring.

Except Kobe was a much better shooter and shotmaker and finished his career with a relative TS of +1.9 to Wade's career mark of +1.7. So... you're wrong.

Again.

[Strepbacter]

Because you say so?

Another poster who just proves my point. The irony of your reply is lost on you,

I’ve actually watched both players since their rookie years. I’ve seen every single game of Kobe’s and I’ve seen at least 80% of Wades. Kobe had the higher peak by far. It’s not close.

Youve clearly only seen Kobe in his later years, or your such a big hater of the Kobe/Lakers that you don’t want to admit Kobe is better

Wrong - Wade peaked higher.

Wrong- Kobe peaked higher. He also had the much better prime and crushes Wade in terms of career. Even Wade knows he was inferior across the board.

[The_Hater]

This shouldn’t even be conversation. Wade never learned to shoot…

Wade was always a very good shooter between 10-23 feet, he just never became a good 3 point shooter (slightly worse than MJ and Kobe) . Kobe was better from mid-range but not by a significant margin. And Kobe and Wade have an identical TS% for their careers of 55.0%, which encompasses every form of shooting/scoring.

Except Kobe was a much better shooter and shotmaker and finished his career with a relative TS of +1.9 to Wade's career mark of +1.7. So... you're wrong.

Again.

I acknowledged in my post that Kobe was a little better than Wase in that range, my post was directed towards someone who incorrectly claimed that Wade was a terrible shooter.

Learn to read and stop stalking other posters with your pointless drivel.

[Strepbacter]

Wade was always a very good shooter between 10-23 feet, he just never became a good 3 point shooter (slightly worse than MJ and Kobe) . Kobe was better from mid-range but not by a significant margin. And Kobe and Wade have an identical TS% for their careers of 55.0%, which encompasses every form of shooting/scoring.

Except Kobe was a much better shooter and shotmaker and finished his career with a relative TS of +1.9 to Wade's career mark of +1.7. So... you're wrong.

Again.

I acknowledged in my post that Kobe was a little better than Wase in that range, my post was directed towards someone who incorrectly claimed that Wade was a terrible shooter.

Learn to read and stop stalking other posters with your pointless drivel.

Except Kobe wasn't "a little better". He was a much better mid-range shooter in addition to being far better from three and at the line. Get back to me after you've worked on your reading comprehension.

[SeanieWard]

Wade at his peak was the best SG I've ever seen. I was a little too young to watch most of MJ's career and I do rank Kobe over Wade all time because of what he did over the course of his career and his body of work..but Wade's peak which to me was right before Bron came to Miami was truly insane

[Doranku]

I see Kobe get a lot of **** for his '06 series against the Suns, but nobody ever talks about '09 Wade's disappointing performance against a very average Hawks team in the first round when discussing his peak. The Wade-led offense was absolutely dreadful in that series. The Heat had games of scoring 64, 71, and 78 points (game 7). Basically unheard of by the 2009 season... against an average Hawks defense that ranked 12th in the league during the regular season.

You've got people here saying Wade was rivaling LeBron at the time, so I don't want to hear about the help excuse. LeBron single handedly swept the very same Hawks team a week after they sent Wade fishing.

[PMONSTER]

Kobe by a wide margin....

[cupcakesnake]

Basketball refernce says Wade. 2006 Kobe and 2009 Wade are their best statistical season (according to this website at least).

Wade eclipses Kobe for PER, TS%, BPM (on both ends), Win Shares per 48,TS Add, FG Add, free throw rate, almost doubles him up for assist rate, better steal rate, way better block rate. Kobe scores more, turns it over less, had the edge in total Win Shares, and shoots more 3s more efficiently.

Kobe is clearly the better player, better career and has a longer peak. If we're going 1-year prime, these numbers say Wade. Wade is a unique player in this way where he has an insane early prime, and then the injuries start chipping away and his role shrinks when Lebron gets there. Some people think Wade has one of the best 1-year primes ever.

Wade has a slightly nicer cherry atop his ice cream sunday, but Kobe is the better overall ice cream experience by a measurable amount.

[zimpy27]

Except Kobe was a much better shooter and shotmaker and finished his career with a relative TS of +1.9 to Wade's career mark of +1.7. So... you're wrong.

Again.

I acknowledged in my post that Kobe was a little better than Wase in that range, my post was directed towards someone who incorrectly claimed that Wade was a terrible shooter.

Learn to read and stop stalking other posters with your pointless drivel.

Except Kobe wasn't "a little better". He was a much better mid-range shooter in addition to being far better from three and at the line. Get back to me after you've worked on your reading comprehension.

I'm sure we can all read good but can we learn to do other things good too?

Let us not attack each other and let us be a little less aggressive in conversation with other people

[trickshot]

I see Kobe get a lot of **** for his '06 series against the Suns, but nobody ever talks about '09 Wade's disappointing performance against a very average Hawks team in the first round when discussing his peak. The Wade-led offense was absolutely dreadful in that series. The Heat had games of scoring 64, 71, and 78 points (game 7). Basically unheard of by the 2009 season... against an average Hawks defense that ranked 12th in the league during the regular season.

You've got people here saying Wade was rivaling LeBron at the time, so I don't want to hear about the help excuse. LeBron single handedly swept the very same Hawks team a week after they sent Wade fishing.

He was injured in that series. The numbers sort of make it easy to spot that was one of his several injury plagued series. Here's an article from during the series with a somewhat comprehensive description of what he was dealing with. Read till the end https://www.espn.com.au/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4113203

I'm actually using an article during the series to show it was well known at the time he was injured not some retroactive excuse that came after he sucked.

[D.Brasco]

Kobe by a wide margin....

Prime to prime and taking out of the length of said primes what of anything did Kobe have by a "wide margin" that prime Wade lacked?

Statistically or even the eye test couldn't back up this assertion.

[LegendaryLakers]

It really pains me to admit it mainly because I never liked Wade, he reaalllly rubbed me the wrong way during his playing days, but his peak was a bit better than Kobe's. He was extremely efficient and dynamic, I'd argue at his peak he was the closest thing to Pre 1st retirement Jordan we have ever seen from a stylistic standpoint.

[Doranku]

I see Kobe get a lot of **** for his '06 series against the Suns, but nobody ever talks about '09 Wade's disappointing performance against a very average Hawks team in the first round when discussing his peak. The Wade-led offense was absolutely dreadful in that series. The Heat had games of scoring 64, 71, and 78 points (game 7). Basically unheard of by the 2009 season... against an average Hawks defense that ranked 12th in the league during the regular season.

You've got people here saying Wade was rivaling LeBron at the time, so I don't want to hear about the help excuse. LeBron single handedly swept the very same Hawks team a week after they sent Wade fishing.

He was injured in that series. The numbers sort of make it easy to spot that was one of his several injury plagued series. Here's an article from during the series with a somewhat comprehensive description of what he was dealing with. Read till the end https://www.espn.com.au/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4113203

I'm actually using an article during the series to show it was well known at the time he was injured not some retroactive excuse that came after he sucked.

Back spasms? Banging heads with a guy and sitting out two minutes in a game because of it? C'mon now. Could write a book about more severe injuries that Kobe played through during the playoffs.

Kobe's ankle was intentionally Zaza'd by Jalen Rose in the 2000 finals and all we ever hear is Shaq carried Kobe's bum 15 ppg ass that year. Tired of the double standards.

[trickshot]

I see Kobe get a lot of **** for his '06 series against the Suns, but nobody ever talks about '09 Wade's disappointing performance against a very average Hawks team in the first round when discussing his peak. The Wade-led offense was absolutely dreadful in that series. The Heat had games of scoring 64, 71, and 78 points (game 7). Basically unheard of by the 2009 season... against an average Hawks defense that ranked 12th in the league during the regular season.

You've got people here saying Wade was rivaling LeBron at the time, so I don't want to hear about the help excuse. LeBron single handedly swept the very same Hawks team a week after they sent Wade fishing.

He was injured in that series. The numbers sort of make it easy to spot that was one of his several injury plagued series. Here's an article from during the series with a somewhat comprehensive description of what he was dealing with. Read till the end https://www.espn.com.au/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4113203

I'm actually using an article during the series to show it was well known at the time he was injured not some retroactive excuse that came after he sucked.

Back spasms? Banging heads with a guy and sitting out two minutes in a game because of it? C'mon now. Could write a book about more severe injuries that Kobe played through during the playoffs.

Injury is not a topic of comparison here. If it is I can just cut all the fluff and tell you pointblank Kobe is by far a more durable player than Wade. Anyway any injury can be serious if severe especially back injuries. In fact a lot of the posts here already have Wade's prime lower because of his piss poor availabilty.

[AussieRules]

Prime wise, Kobe and it’s not even close.

Peak wise, I’ll still take Kobe over Wade, Kobe was just the better player, leader, and was more reliable in terms of winning. Wade was a pretty good player himself too.

[LAL1947]

I see Kobe get a lot of **** for his '06 series against the Suns, but nobody ever talks about '09 Wade's disappointing performance against a very average Hawks team in the first round when discussing his peak. The Wade-led offense was absolutely dreadful in that series. The Heat had games of scoring 64, 71, and 78 points (game 7). Basically unheard of by the 2009 season... against an average Hawks defense that ranked 12th in the league during the regular season.

You've got people here saying Wade was rivaling LeBron at the time, so I don't want to hear about the help excuse. LeBron single handedly swept the very same Hawks team a week after they sent Wade fishing.

So Kobe scored more points in a single game by himself than Wade's whole team in 3 playoff games... and yet there are folks saying Wade had a higher peak/prime in 2009? Incredulous, isn't it? All I know is if I was drafting one to start a team, and not even taking longevity into consideration, I'd take Kobe over Dwayne Wade all day, every day, twice on Sundays.

TBH, I don't which topic is sillier, this one or the one where some are trying to suggest Pau Gasol was a top 10 player in the league between 2007-08 to 2009-2010... better than even KG and Paul Pierce, apparently.

PS: It's not just LeStans who find these sorts of ways to reduce Kobe... there's a lot of Timmy-luvers who do similar.

[Strepbacter]

Wade peaked in 2009 and Kobe was still superior.

Better scorer, way better shooter, way less ball-dominant, better HC player, superior postseason performer, etc.