Predict Scottie Barnes stats for the year.

[Vampirate]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

Maybe. But I saw him miss a ton of layups on the fast break in summer league. And he is a good passer, probably very good, but he won’t have the ball in his hands nearly as often to make those types of plays like he did in SL or at Florida.

He’s a below average offensive player in just about any situation right now and only time, practice and experience is going to change this. He was drafted for his future impact, not his immediate impact, and I think his future potential is immense. Having lower expectations out of the gate will help with both Raptor fans and Scottie Barnes experiencing a lot of heartache this season.

Here are his college and summer league stats, small sample size as they both may be.

College stats.
G.......FGA........FG%.......3P%.......FTA........FT%......TRB......AST.......PTS
24.......8.1........503........275.......2.8........621.......4.0.......4.1.......10.3

Summer League stats
G.......FGA........FG%.......3P%.......FTA.........FT%......TRB......AST.......PTS
4.......12.8........412........273.......5.8.........739.......6.8.......3.2.......15.5


If he has a FG% 43/ 3FG% 30/ FT% 650 type of shooting season as a rookie I consider that a win and I do think it's possible for him.

This is the NBA, not the minor leagues. And even his minor league stats aren’t that great so I’m not sure what point you trying to make here? Should be a plus defensive player out of the gate though.

My point is aside from his terrible 3pt% it's hard to see where his overall scoring percentages are going to wind up given his college and summer league stats are quite different in some areas.

Do you think he's going to be the 60% FT shooter he was in college or closer to the 70% FT shooter he was in summer league?

This matters because an improved FT% could indicate an improved 3 point shooting in the future.

As for his FG% it could go either way.

In terms of going from college to the NBA the quality competition will be much better than anything he's faced, but the same goes with the team he's on as well.

[The_Hater]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

Here are his college and summer league stats, small sample size as they both may be.

College stats.
G.......FGA........FG%.......3P%.......FTA........FT%......TRB......AST.......PTS
24.......8.1........503........275.......2.8........621.......4.0.......4.1.......10.3

Summer League stats
G.......FGA........FG%.......3P%.......FTA.........FT%......TRB......AST.......PTS
4.......12.8........412........273.......5.8.........739.......6.8.......3.2.......15.5


If he has a FG% 43/ 3FG% 30/ FT% 650 type of shooting season as a rookie I consider that a win and I do think it's possible for him.

This is the NBA, not the minor leagues. And even his minor league stats aren’t that great so I’m not sure what point you trying to make here? Should be a plus defensive player out of the gate though.

My point is aside from his terrible 3pt% it's hard to see where his overall scoring percentages are going to wind up given his college and summer league stats are quite different in some areas.

Do you think he's going to be the 60% FT shooter he was in college or closer to the 70% FT shooter he was in summer league?

This matters because an improved FT% could indicate an improved 3 point shooting in the future.

As for his FG% it could go either way.

In terms of going from college to the NBA the quality competition will be much better than anything he's faced, but the same goes with the team he's on as well.

Well shooting is very important to being a good offensive player. So ya, it matters thst he makes less than 30% of his 3’s.

Regardless, this isn’t worth arguing over. I don’t think he’ll be an offensive factor this season, you think otherwise, we’ll find out. And for thr record, I hope that you’re right and I’m wrong.

[RaptorReloaded]

My questions would be how does he relate to Patrick Williams? Is he a better athlete? Measures better? Better feel? More guard skills? Shooting?

[Vampirate]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

This is the NBA, not the minor leagues. And even his minor league stats aren’t that great so I’m not sure what point you trying to make here? Should be a plus defensive player out of the gate though.

My point is aside from his terrible 3pt% it's hard to see where his overall scoring percentages are going to wind up given his college and summer league stats are quite different in some areas.

Do you think he's going to be the 60% FT shooter he was in college or closer to the 70% FT shooter he was in summer league?

This matters because an improved FT% could indicate an improved 3 point shooting in the future.

As for his FG% it could go either way.

In terms of going from college to the NBA the quality competition will be much better than anything he's faced, but the same goes with the team he's on as well.

Well shooting is very important to being a good offensive player. So ya, it matters thst he makes less than 30% of his 3’s.

Regardless, this isn’t worth arguing over. I don’t think he’ll be an offensive factor this season, you think otherwise, we’ll find out. And for thr record, I hope that you’re right and I’m wrong.

I don't have high hopes for the guy offensively this year (go see my original post in this thread), but I thought he was really going to struggle in all facts of shooting, including his FT shooting. His FT shooting in the summer league does give me some hope that he might not be a Ben Simmons liability in the charity stripe. We'll see.

[720]

My questions would be how does he relate to Patrick Williams? Is he a better athlete? Measures better? Better feel? More guard skills? Shooting?

To me Patrick Williams is more like a Paul Millsap with better handles and athleticism (basically a stretch four with the ability to do some minimal dribble drives and playmaking). He can post up, shoot the three, run in transition with and without the ball.

Scottie has some of the same skills but more like a guard imo. He hasn't shown the shooting or pull up ability like Williams at least not consistently. One thing Scottie has over Williams is he's taller and bigger wingspan. He's also better than him on defense.

[everdiso]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

Here are his college and summer league stats, small sample size as they both may be.

College stats.
G.......FGA........FG%.......3P%.......FTA........FT%......TRB......AST.......PTS
24.......8.1........503........275.......2.8........621.......4.0.......4.1.......10.3

Summer League stats
G.......FGA........FG%.......3P%.......FTA.........FT%......TRB......AST.......PTS
4.......12.8........412........273.......5.8.........739.......6.8.......3.2.......15.5


If he has a FG% 43/ 3FG% 30/ FT% 650 type of shooting season as a rookie I consider that a win and I do think it's possible for him.

This is the NBA, not the minor leagues. And even his minor league stats aren’t that great so I’m not sure what point you trying to make here? Should be a plus defensive player out of the gate though.

My point is aside from his terrible 3pt% it's hard to see where his overall scoring percentages are going to wind up given his college and summer league stats are quite different in some areas.

Do you think he's going to be the 60% FT shooter he was in college or closer to the 70% FT shooter he was in summer league?

This matters because an improved FT% could indicate an improved 3 point shooting in the future.

As for his FG% it could go either way.

In terms of going from college to the NBA the quality competition will be much better than anything he's faced, but the same goes with the team he's on as well.

Never forget this about his FT%.....

First Month: 7gms, 42.3%
Last 3 months: 17gms, 75.0%
Summer League: 4gms, 73.9%

[HumbleRen]

My questions would be how does he relate to Patrick Williams? Is he a better athlete? Measures better? Better feel? More guard skills? Shooting?

Barnes has more raw talent but Williams is more polished.

Like I can see Williams being a 20 + scorer at his peak, I don’t really see that with Barnes but Barnes does all of the little things better than Williams does imo.

[OhCanada1091]

I think he is going to have a similar rookie season as Lamelo Ball. Obviously the production will look different on paper on Melo is a more offense oriented player but as far as the way he's used it should look similar. First off the bench, heavy minutes, heavy impact. I'd say 28 minutes per game with 12 points, 6 rebound, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block on poor percentages.

[Purple+Black]

I think he will play a primary/secondary facilitator role when he’s on the court. Simply off fast breaks I can see him getting 2 assists, 1-2 more assists in the half court. That brings us to 3-4 assists per game as a rookie PF/SF.

Scoring, I think he’ll stay under 10 ppg for his first season, similar to Demar’s first season re. scoring. Gradual increase every year moving forward.

8PPG, 3.5 APG, 5RPG, 1SPG, 1BPG, 1.5 TOPG

Something like that is what I’d expect

[The_Hater]

My point is aside from his terrible 3pt% it's hard to see where his overall scoring percentages are going to wind up given his college and summer league stats are quite different in some areas.

Do you think he's going to be the 60% FT shooter he was in college or closer to the 70% FT shooter he was in summer league?

This matters because an improved FT% could indicate an improved 3 point shooting in the future.

As for his FG% it could go either way.

In terms of going from college to the NBA the quality competition will be much better than anything he's faced, but the same goes with the team he's on as well.

Well shooting is very important to being a good offensive player. So ya, it matters thst he makes less than 30% of his 3’s.

Regardless, this isn’t worth arguing over. I don’t think he’ll be an offensive factor this season, you think otherwise, we’ll find out. And for thr record, I hope that you’re right and I’m wrong.

I don't have high hopes for the guy offensively this year (go see my original post in this thread), but I thought he was really going to struggle in all facts of shooting, including his FT shooting. His FT shooting in the summer league does give me some hope that he might not be a Ben Simmons liability in the charity stripe. We'll see.

We’re probably closer to agreement on all this then either of us realize. Cheers

[Los_29]

I know it's only preseason but I might have to change my prediction. I think Scottie is going to average more than 10/5/3/1/0.5 this year. If he gets 25-30 minutes a night he's going to fill up the stat sheet.

[hype_2004]

I know it's only preseason but I might have to change my prediction. I think Scottie is going to average more than 10/5/3/1/0.5 this year. If he gets 25-30 minutes a night he's going to fill up the stat sheet.

That's too low, this kid will be a stat stuffer, come to think about it he might play more than 30 minutes until Siakam comes back. I'll up his stats to 15p/8reb/5as he's gonna get his touches as Nurse will unleash him and utilize him as the primary ballhandler alongside Steady Freddy.

[everdiso]

Per-36

15pts / 10rb / 5ast / 2st / 2bk

Gm1 per36:

Scottie: 18.9pts (60.0%), 13.1rb (5.8off), 8.7ast (5.8to), 2.9st, 2.9bk

[PhilBlackson]

Per-36

15pts / 10rb / 5ast / 2st / 2bk

Gm1 per36:

Scottie: 18.9pts (60.0%), 13.1rb (5.8off), 8.7ast (5.8to), 2.9st, 2.9bk

Lawd now that's filling out a stat sheet...

[hype_2004]

Per-36

15pts / 10rb / 5ast / 2st / 2bk

Gm1 per36:

Scottie: 18.9pts (60.0%), 13.1rb (5.8off), 8.7ast (5.8to), 2.9st, 2.9bk

Lawd now that's filling out a stat sheet...

He's gonna be a triple double threat every night with outstanding defense, has a complete set of skills aside from shooting, but he will get better. Come to think of it why wasn't this kid considered with the no 1 pick considering his physical profile and skillset?

[HumbleRen]

Gm1 per36:

Scottie: 18.9pts (60.0%), 13.1rb (5.8off), 8.7ast (5.8to), 2.9st, 2.9bk

Lawd now that's filling out a stat sheet...

He's gonna be a triple double threat every night with outstanding defense, has a complete set of skills aside from shooting, but he will get better. Come to think of it why wasn't this kid considered with the no 1 pick considering his physical profile and skillset?

Because half court offence is the most important skillset in the league.

[Young_Buc]

I think he'll be solid his rookie year and make a jump year by year as he adds to his game. I see 10/5/4 first year with a solid jump year 2.

[Basketball_Jones]

He’s one of those guys that seems to be in the right place around the basket for easy buckets all the time. He’s gonna shoot well from the field. Just not from deep though, that looks very rough right now.

[RalphWiggum]

12.2 pts
6.8 reb
4.5 ast
1.6 stl
1.5 blk
2.8 to
44 FG%
32 3PT%
68 FT%

[everdiso]

Gm1 per36:

Scottie: 18.9pts (60.0%), 13.1rb (5.8off), 8.7ast (5.8to), 2.9st, 2.9bk

Lawd now that's filling out a stat sheet...

He's gonna be a triple double threat every night with outstanding defense, has a complete set of skills aside from shooting, but he will get better. Come to think of it why wasn't this kid considered with the no 1 pick considering his physical profile and skillset?

Watch him play and I wouldnt be surprised if we actually did have him at #1.