Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Stanford]

Yeah, we would most probably beat Atlanta, but who knows after that.

Let your imagination run free!

[sixers4real]

Yeah, we would most probably beat Atlanta, but who knows after that.

Let your imagination run free!

I can’t wait for tomorrow lol. For seeing Maxey, and for a ton of overreactions.

Are we going to be reading that we are lottery team without Simmons tomorrow or that kinda comments will be saved for the first reg season game against Pelicans?

[Sportfan73]

Lol at Lowry for Maxey, Tisse and 2 FRPs. Yeah, we would most probably beat Atlanta, but who knows after that.

That’s very very bad trade, and Morey did the right thing not making it.

Don’t forget we had to trade Danny too for salary purposes

[sixers4real]

Lol at Lowry for Maxey, Tisse and 2 FRPs. Yeah, we would most probably beat Atlanta, but who knows after that.

That’s very very bad trade, and Morey did the right thing not making it.

Don’t forget we had to trade Danny too for salary purposes

Right. Danny is not just a salary throw in. Actually, I’m
Very happy he’s back. We clearly missed him games 5-7 of EC semis.

[Skates]

We need shooting, a guy who can score in multiple ways, and preferably someone that has some decent size since Seth is not very big, and while Maxey has long arms and is built like a tank already and can be a plus defender (he did a nice job on Trae a t times in the Atlanta series), he can't guard past the SG position at most. I would not say no to a smaller guard that can do it all, there simply must be some adjustments to the roster over time in that case.

I don't see the Spurs guys fitting a Morey designed offense, not with Harris and Embiid already being your midrange specialists. shooting, driving, distributing and enough defense. It puts Haliburton at the top of my most wanted list, though if he was available, a talent like Anthony Edwards would be right there too, just less likely that he is.

[God Squad]

I get why they like him, given they apparently share his tendency to say and do dumb things and get upset when people point out how delusional he is.

Ehhh, can’t speak for the Aussies on this board, but as someone who’s lived in Australia since I was 15, I don’t think that’s the case at all. Most Aussie nba fans I know don’t really **** with him. It’s true that Aussie’s love sport and love their athletes, but they tend to gravitate towards the “battlers”. The overachievers. Guys like Patty Mills and Joe Ingles who are basically national treasures here, yet the perception of Simmons here is that he’s a coddled brat who can’t handle criticism.

To be clear i was talking about the few people on here still blindly defending him, not people from Australia.

Oh I get why most teams like him and I can understand the hesitancy (Sixers) to trade him. He's you're biggest trade asset atm who should fetch a reasonable return. I just question certain aspects of his game and how he'll fit around "established" teams. I just wanted to point out the divide I've noticed while browsing the Ben thread. The Ben "fans" are a minority, but their vocal and tend to dismiss Joel's impact.

[Simmons25]

Much better than watching him just because he is Aussie.

I'm shocked at the level of support he still has among Aussie NBA fans on this site - he's dogged the national team multiple times over the years. I used to be a supporter of his but I think he's burned one too many bridges.

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I personally can't stand Ben and I think its some awesome karma he is now getting back. But I can still sit in awe at how delusional Philly and the rest of the fans have become. I can see a character assassination when I see it.

I hate the way Philly fans turned on him though and made this 100% his fault when coaching was as much to blame.
I hate that Philly fans think its ok to boo players... and I don't just mean Simmons but guys in the past like RoCo. Philly people seem to have some sort of misplaced pride in this, which I will never ever get.
I hate that Embiid is flat out lying about Simmons being the reason they traded Butler and that Horford was brought in to help Ben (Like seriously WTF).
I hate Doc Rivers. He is an overrated coach who cares more about politics than trying to figure out why his teams choke every year. I hate that he flat out lied about being misconstrued in his initial comments about Simmons after the game.
I hate that Philly fans who have been wanting him to be traded for 4 months, now suddenly are upset that he isn't coming back. Hypocrites.
I hate that Philly fans talk about what a bum he is but demand all star talent in return... and the complain when they can't get a trade for him.

Ben doesn't have my support at all... but Morey, Embiid, Rivers and their fans have acted like jackasses in this. I certainly won't be supporting Ben wherever he goes but I won't be supporting Philly either anymore.

[KL78192020]

Much better than watching him just because he is Aussie.

I'm shocked at the level of support he still has among Aussie NBA fans on this site - he's dogged the national team multiple times over the years. I used to be a supporter of his but I think he's burned one too many bridges.

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I hate that Embiid is flat out lying about Simmons being the reason they traded Butler and that Horford was brought in to help Ben (Like seriously WTF).

What was the real reason for Butler leaving? its still mind boggling that if Jimmy wanted the max, they didn't give it to him yet gave it to Tobias. Then also signing Horford. Brand was a **** Gm.

[phillynative]

Much better than watching him just because he is Aussie.

I'm shocked at the level of support he still has among Aussie NBA fans on this site - he's dogged the national team multiple times over the years. I used to be a supporter of his but I think he's burned one too many bridges.

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I personally can't stand Ben and I think its some awesome karma he is now getting back. But I can still sit in awe at how delusional Philly and the rest of the fans have become. I can see a character assassination when I see it.

I hate the way Philly fans turned on him though and made this 100% his fault when coaching was as much to blame.
I hate that Philly fans think its ok to boo players... and I don't just mean Simmons but guys in the past like RoCo. Philly people seem to have some sort of misplaced pride in this, which I will never ever get.
I hate that Embiid is flat out lying about Simmons being the reason they traded Butler and that Horford was brought in to help Ben (Like seriously WTF).
I hate Doc Rivers. He is an overrated coach who cares more about politics than trying to figure out why his teams choke every year. I hate that he flat out lied about being misconstrued in his initial comments about Simmons after the game.
I hate that Philly fans who have been wanting him to be traded for 4 months, now suddenly are upset that he isn't coming back. Hypocrites.
I hate that Philly fans talk about what a bum he is but demand all star talent in return... and the complain when they can't get a trade for him.

Ben doesn't have my support at all... but Morey, Embiid, Rivers and their fans have acted like jackasses in this. I certainly won't be supporting Ben wherever he goes but I won't be supporting Philly either anymore.

[76ciology]

Personally not high on either Keldon or Vassell, but i can take my chances with both. And wont take my chances at all with Murray.

Between Vassell and Keldon, Keldon for me would be ready to contribute right away while Vassell is way better as a collegiate prospect and I view him as a higher upside player.

If I have to rank Primo, White, Murray, Vassell and Keldon..

1.) Primo
2.) Vassell
3.) Keldon
4.) White
5.) Murray

Im interested in taking my chances on Primo, Vassell and picks. Then I need White and Keldon for guys who can step in and contribute right away.

You keep +1 my posts where I talk about Spurs making no sense to me as a trade partner, because White and Murray are bad shooters, and the rest of their young players won’t help us win now, but then you post yourself a lot about the Spurs that you’ll make a deal with them.

I’m confused.

First, spurs is my least preferred trading partner among the teams were rumored with.

Second, the assets i want from them are not White and Murray. White is an OK player that I think is very similar with Shake that he will be a good fit with our team but I dont value him that high to make him a one of the centerpiece of the deal.

The guys I want from the Spurs are Primo then a big gap then Vassell and Keldon. Those players and picks.

[sixers4real]

Personally not high on either Keldon or Vassell, but i can take my chances with both. And wont take my chances at all with Murray.

Between Vassell and Keldon, Keldon for me would be ready to contribute right away while Vassell is way better as a collegiate prospect and I view him as a higher upside player.

If I have to rank Primo, White, Murray, Vassell and Keldon..

1.) Primo
2.) Vassell
3.) Keldon
4.) White
5.) Murray

Im interested in taking my chances on Primo, Vassell and picks. Then I need White and Keldon for guys who can step in and contribute right away.

You keep +1 my posts where I talk about Spurs making no sense to me as a trade partner, because White and Murray are bad shooters, and the rest of their young players won’t help us win now, but then you post yourself a lot about the Spurs that you’ll make a deal with them.

I’m confused.

First, spurs is my least preferred trading partner among the teams were rumored with.

Second, the assets i want from them are not White and Murray. White is an OK player that I think is very similar with Shake that he will be a good fit with our team but I dont value him that high to make him a one of the centerpiece of the deal.

The guys I want from the Spurs are Primo then a big gap then Vassell and Keldon. Those players and picks.

Got it. I would much rather prefer to never talk about the Spurs players you mentioned rather then talk about them all year. So yeah, we better not deal with Spurs.

[76ciology]

You keep +1 my posts where I talk about Spurs making no sense to me as a trade partner, because White and Murray are bad shooters, and the rest of their young players won’t help us win now, but then you post yourself a lot about the Spurs that you’ll make a deal with them.

I’m confused.

First, spurs is my least preferred trading partner among the teams were rumored with.

Second, the assets i want from them are not White and Murray. White is an OK player that I think is very similar with Shake that he will be a good fit with our team but I dont value him that high to make him a one of the centerpiece of the deal.

The guys I want from the Spurs are Primo then a big gap then Vassell and Keldon. Those players and picks.

Got it. I would much rather prefer to never talk about the Spurs players you mentioned rather then talk about them all year. So yeah, we better not deal with Spurs.

A lot of their guys are long shot to me.

If you look at my preference my ranking is in terms of which asset’s value is likely to increase in the future.

Its one of those trades where I give up 75 cents on a dollar with a chance to turn 75 cents into $1.25

I’d let Primo develop on the side. Use Vassell and Keldon by letting them fill the big hole at my wing position, which will increase their value. Then trade one or both guys along with my pick by draft day to move up into the lottery. Both guys can shoot and aren’t that bad on defense that if you pair one or both of them with a duo of Thybulle or Green and Embiid or Drummond, you’d still be a good defensive team.

Whereas if you get White and Murray, not only do they dont have high upside and one of them have a bad flaw you wouldnt want to be a part of. But you dont need them and they will get outplayed by Shake, Maxey and Seth that I dont see how you can pump their value so they’d become liabilities than assets by the season end.

And the reason why its not high on my preference is because as you can see you need to cross several bridges to get to your desired outcome.

[sixers4real]

First, spurs is my least preferred trading partner among the teams were rumored with.

Second, the assets i want from them are not White and Murray. White is an OK player that I think is very similar with Shake that he will be a good fit with our team but I dont value him that high to make him a one of the centerpiece of the deal.

The guys I want from the Spurs are Primo then a big gap then Vassell and Keldon. Those players and picks.

Got it. I would much rather prefer to never talk about the Spurs players you mentioned rather then talk about them all year. So yeah, we better not deal with Spurs.

A lot of their guys are long shot to me.

If you look at my preference my ranking is in terms of which asset’s value is likely to increase in the future.

Its one of those trades where I give up 75 cents on a dollar with a chance to turn 75 cents into $1.25

I’d let Primo develop on the side. Use Vassell and Keldon by letting them fill the big hole at my wing position, which will increase their value. Then trade one or both guys along with my pick by draft day to move up into the lottery. Both guys can shoot and aren’t that bad on defense that if you pair one or both of them with a duo of Thybulle or Green and Embiid or Drummond, you’d still be a good defensive team.

And the reason why its not high on my preference is because as you can see you need to cross several bridges to get to your desired outcome.

In order to develop players, you have to play them, right? Not just garbage minutes, but a lot.
I don’t see them making regular rotations this year or next on a Sixers team when I look at the players we have under contract.

[76ciology]

Personally, I dont like Ben. But the reason why Im not shooting him down is because its easy to see and justify that he’s oversold or severely underrated right now.

And multiple teams can see this thats why they’re asking us for Ben.

Im not delusional as some to see him like a top tier star but Im also not delusional to see him as a guy who’s suffering from trauma that he will pass up every open point blank range bucket he will get.

His baseline is a 16-8-8 player with elite defense. And he can pump his scoring to 20/g with a team like the Wolves or a lottery team like the Cavs.

[76ciology]

Got it. I would much rather prefer to never talk about the Spurs players you mentioned rather then talk about them all year. So yeah, we better not deal with Spurs.

A lot of their guys are long shot to me.

If you look at my preference my ranking is in terms of which asset’s value is likely to increase in the future.

Its one of those trades where I give up 75 cents on a dollar with a chance to turn 75 cents into $1.25

I’d let Primo develop on the side. Use Vassell and Keldon by letting them fill the big hole at my wing position, which will increase their value. Then trade one or both guys along with my pick by draft day to move up into the lottery. Both guys can shoot and aren’t that bad on defense that if you pair one or both of them with a duo of Thybulle or Green and Embiid or Drummond, you’d still be a good defensive team.

And the reason why its not high on my preference is because as you can see you need to cross several bridges to get to your desired outcome.

In order to develop players, you have to play them, right? Not just garbage minutes, but a lot.
I don’t see them making regular rotations this year or next on a Sixers team when I look at the players we have under contract.

I think they can make the rotation because we lack SFs on our team where I think we have Green and Thybulle slotted on these positions right now.

All they need to do is chase their man or play team D, make transition buckets or go to the corner to catch and shoot.

[Tomjas]

Don’t hold your breath waiting for Drummond to be a good defender

He’s awful

[Jhawk03]

Much better than watching him just because he is Aussie.

I'm shocked at the level of support he still has among Aussie NBA fans on this site - he's dogged the national team multiple times over the years. I used to be a supporter of his but I think he's burned one too many bridges.

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I personally can't stand Ben and I think its some awesome karma he is now getting back. But I can still sit in awe at how delusional Philly and the rest of the fans have become. I can see a character assassination when I see it.

I hate the way Philly fans turned on him though and made this 100% his fault when coaching was as much to blame.
I hate that Philly fans think its ok to boo players... and I don't just mean Simmons but guys in the past like RoCo. Philly people seem to have some sort of misplaced pride in this, which I will never ever get.
I hate that Embiid is flat out lying about Simmons being the reason they traded Butler and that Horford was brought in to help Ben (Like seriously WTF).
I hate Doc Rivers. He is an overrated coach who cares more about politics than trying to figure out why his teams choke every year. I hate that he flat out lied about being misconstrued in his initial comments about Simmons after the game.
I hate that Philly fans who have been wanting him to be traded for 4 months, now suddenly are upset that he isn't coming back. Hypocrites.
I hate that Philly fans talk about what a bum he is but demand all star talent in return... and the complain when they can't get a trade for him.

Ben doesn't have my support at all... but Morey, Embiid, Rivers and their fans have acted like jackasses in this. I certainly won't be supporting Ben wherever he goes but I won't be supporting Philly either anymore.

I'm calling a spade a spade, you simply don't have a dog in this fight anymore if what you're saying is true, which I don't believe, so please delete your account and choose a different handle and STOP PRETENDING LIKE YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT BEN SIMMONS

[Wilfried]

I'm really not interested in trading with the Spurs or Pacers. They have nothing, nothing that interests me.

[Jhawk03]

I'm really not interested in trading with the Spurs or Pacers. They have nothing, nothing that interests me.

At some point, EVERYONE will be a witness to Ben's true value. It's all entertainment for right now however, and this saga, as long as it's profitable, even down to the YES men... it keeps people employed

[Sixteen]

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This stuff killed all of my Sixers excitement.

I’m exited to see how Maxey responds to being starting PG on a high expectation team.
And I’m super exited to see all of the starting 5 being able to shoot threes.

I'm looking forward to seeing the young guys improve but man something tells me Ben Simmons is going to go his new team and start shooting just to stick it to us further. And with our luck, the players we get back will have back to back acl injuries