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[Helsbyte]

Just a trade thought that seems simple to me:

To Philly: Brogdon + McConnell + filler +1st 2022
To Indy: Simmons + Maxey

Both teams just swap out pgs.

Maxey is not a throw in

I didn't value Maxey as a throw in but as a fallback for Indy incase Simmons decides he wants out again. While Maxey has potential, McConnell is a proven valuable back up pg. He is more of a win now piece than Maxey is in his career.

[Helsbyte]

Of all the things I've read in these threads, I continue to be perplexed why people add Tyrese Maxey in these deals as if he's some shot-in-the-dark throw in. The Sixers lack playmaking before a Ben Simmons trade....they're not giving up additional playmaking unless there's an obvious upgrade on Simmons coming back, which we all agree isn't going to happen at this point.

So what your saying is that neither Brogdon or McConnell are playmakers? One would argue that both are better at playmaking than Maxey.

[BullyKing]

Just a trade thought that seems simple to me:

To Philly: Brogdon + McConnell + filler +1st 2022
To Indy: Simmons + Maxey

Both teams just swap out pgs.

Maxey is not a throw in

I didn't value Maxey as a throw in but as a fallback for Indy incase Simmons decides he wants out again. While Maxey has potential, McConnell is a proven valuable back up pg. He is more of a win now piece than Maxey is in his career.

So are the Sixers allowed to add three more 1st round picks to this package "in case" Brogdon gets hurt again?

[LAL1947]

Brogdon is such an uninspiring player to include in a trade for a star, lol. If we were comparing Ben Simmons to Brogdon as boats... I'd liken Ben to a speed boat or a yacht... while Brogdon is a gondola that only takes you in circles. Maybe a ferry at best.

[Helsbyte]

Maxey is not a throw in

I didn't value Maxey as a throw in but as a fallback for Indy incase Simmons decides he wants out again. While Maxey has potential, McConnell is a proven valuable back up pg. He is more of a win now piece than Maxey is in his career.

So are the Sixers allowed to add three more 1st round picks to this package "in case" Brogdon gets hurt again?

Instead of making a snarky reply back I will just hit you with some truth. Brogdon has played in more career games than Simmons in the same 5 year span and over the course of the past 2 seasons only 5 games played separate them.

[LAL1947]

Does anyone else think Brogdon looks a little like Oscar Martinez from The Office?

[Helsbyte]

Brogdon is such an uninspiring player, lol. If we were comparing Ben Simmons to Brogdon as boats... I'd liken Ben to a speed boat or a yacht... while Brogdon is a gondola that only takes you in circles. Maybe a ferry at best.

Again I can be just like you too and make discouraging comments about Simmons and his lack of commitment to his contract or that he couldn't throw a stone in the ocean and hit water. Or we can be constructive. YOUR choice!

[LAL1947]

Brogdon is such an uninspiring player, lol. If we were comparing Ben Simmons to Brogdon as boats... I'd liken Ben to a speed boat or a yacht... while Brogdon is a gondola that only takes you in circles. Maybe a ferry at best.

Again I can be just like you too and make discouraging comments about Simmons and his lack of commitment to his contract or that he couldn't throw a stone in the ocean and hit water. Or we can be constructive. YOUR choice!

Haha, sorry, not trying to discourage your trade suggestion or Pacers fans! Was just saying what I felt about Brogdon in general, cos he doesn't appeal to me much as a player.

Btw, that line about Simmons not being able to hit water with a stone thrown at the ocean is a good one. It's funny, and it's apt because of the boats analogy too. You should definitely use it as a counter.

[Texas Chuck]

I didn't value Maxey as a throw in but as a fallback for Indy incase Simmons decides he wants out again. While Maxey has potential, McConnell is a proven valuable back up pg. He is more of a win now piece than Maxey is in his career.

So are the Sixers allowed to add three more 1st round picks to this package "in case" Brogdon gets hurt again?

Instead of making a snarky reply back I will just hit you with some truth. Brogdon has played in more career games than Simmons in the same 5 year span and over the course of the past 2 seasons only 5 games played separate them.

I mean he is snarky, but you also have to know you really tried to steal value for the Pacers which I would have as not constructive since we aren't really negotiating.

Simmons is worth more than Brodon and Maxey more than TJ and that first doesn't remotely close that gap. Which you know. Or should. And if you don't, you should stop lecturing other posters imo.

[BullyKing]

So are the Sixers allowed to add three more 1st round picks to this package "in case" Brogdon gets hurt again?

Instead of making a snarky reply back I will just hit you with some truth. Brogdon has played in more career games than Simmons in the same 5 year span and over the course of the past 2 seasons only 5 games played separate them.

I mean he is snarky, but you also have to know you really tried to steal value for the Pacers which I would have as not constructive since we aren't really negotiating.

Simmons is worth more than Brodon and Maxey more than TJ and that first doesn't remotely close that gap. Which you know. Or should. And if you don't, you should stop lecturing other posters imo.

His theory is that the Pacers should be able to add in a drastically lop-sided component (Maxey for McConnell) so they the know the overall trade favors them just in case the primary component (Simmons for Brodgon + 1st) which they are already winning somehow doesn't end up in their favor also. It's just a ridiculous negotiating style trying to guarantee that you win the trade for obvious reasons: if both teams will only make a trade they are guaranteed to win, no trades would ever be made.

[Helsbyte]

My bad if you don't like the trade. Just say so. It is no more outrageous than sending multiple starters and multiple picks to Philly for Simmons. Sorry if I hurt your feelings or you feel insulted by the offer. I honestly think it is hypocritical of some here to say the Pacers or I am trying to steal value since it is apparent you think Indiana is a farm team. BWAHAHAHAHA

[Texas Chuck]

My bad if you don't like the trade. Just say so. It is no more outrageous than sending multiple starters and multiple picks to Philly for Simmons. Sorry if I hurt your feelings or you feel insulted by the offer. I honestly think it is hypocritical of some here to say the Pacers or I am trying to steal value since it is apparent you think Indiana is a farm team. BWAHAHAHAHA

Do you have any interest in productive discussion here?

Nobody called Indy a farm team. Not sure what is hypocritical of people thinking your value was off in favor of one team either?

You got the value off in the opinion of some other posters, and got called on it. No big deal. Happens to all of us who propose ideas. Don't make into something its not.

[GutUNC]

Of all the things I've read in these threads, I continue to be perplexed why people add Tyrese Maxey in these deals as if he's some shot-in-the-dark throw in. The Sixers lack playmaking before a Ben Simmons trade....they're not giving up additional playmaking unless there's an obvious upgrade on Simmons coming back, which we all agree isn't going to happen at this point.

So what your saying is that neither Brogdon or McConnell are playmakers? One would argue that both are better at playmaking than Maxey.

I'm saying that asking a team to add to Simmons to get Brogdon is unrealistic.

Korkmaz might be a better win now piece then Duarte for this year, but I'm certainly not going to suggest the Sixers would rather have the former. And also, Maxey is better then McConnell current day too.

[zimpy27]

Indiana should really consider the offense Rick could put together with a team of Curry, Brogdon, Simmons, Warren, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga. With a few strong defenders. That is an awesome team.

[Helsbyte]

My bad if you don't like the trade. Just say so. It is no more outrageous than sending multiple starters and multiple picks to Philly for Simmons. Sorry if I hurt your feelings or you feel insulted by the offer. I honestly think it is hypocritical of some here to say the Pacers or I am trying to steal value since it is apparent you think Indiana is a farm team. BWAHAHAHAHA

Do you have any interest in productive discussion here?

Nobody called Indy a farm team. Not sure what is hypocritical of people thinking your value was off in favor of one team either?

You got the value off in the opinion of some other posters, and got called on it. No big deal. Happens to all of us who propose ideas. Don't make into something its not.

Don't confuse my trade proposal from the others posted in the thread that have the Pacers overpaying significantly for Simmons, that is my reference to what is hypocritical. If my value for Maxey is off my bad. I don't think he is anything more than a backup/rotational piece. My concern for Indy was if we traded Brogdon for Simmons what happens if Simmons doesn't show up? We run with McConnell? Who backs him up?

[Texas Chuck]

My concern for Indy was if we traded Brogdon for Simmons what happens if Simmons doesn't show up? We run with McConnell? Who backs him up?

That's Indiana' problem to solve, not Philly's problem to add more value. If Indy believes Simmons won't report, then they shouldn't trade for him, but they don't get to have Philly just give them more value.

[cucad8]

And also, Maxey is better then McConnell current day too.

Current day? Or what you hope Maxey becomes? I get liking the potential of Maxey over McConnell being what he is, and can see justifying value based on that. But looking at what they did last year, in what way is Maxey better, other than being willing and able to score more?
RAPTOR has Maxey at a -2.4. McConnell a +2.3.
WAR Maxey .2, McConnell 4.7
McConnell has a higher PER, higher TS%, higher TRB%, over twice the Ast%, higher Steal% higher VORP, higher WS/48, higher BPM, better ORTG, better DRTG, comparative to overall team DRTG.
Maxey isn't a better shooter. So other than scoring on volume, in what way is he better right now?

[Helsbyte]

Indiana should really consider the offense Rick could put together with a team of Curry, Brogdon, Simmons, Warren, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga. With a few strong defenders. That is an awesome team.

For me the inclusion of Curry makes it less appealing. I am assuming in your scenario you have Sabonis and Levert as the out going trade pieces. Perhaps again I am wrong in value but I have Sabonis over Simmons and LeVert over Curry. Why would Indy do this?

[zimpy27]

Indiana should really consider the offense Rick could put together with a team of Curry, Brogdon, Simmons, Warren, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga. With a few strong defenders. That is an awesome team.

For me the inclusion of Curry makes it less appealing. I am assuming in your scenario you have Sabonis and Levert as the out going trade pieces. Perhaps again I am wrong in value but I have Sabonis over Simmons and LeVert over Curry. Why would Indy do this?

I have Simmons slightly better than Sabonis, which reflects the GB player ranking polls. I have LeVert as slightly better than Curry.
In combination the salaries are similar. Feels like an even trade.

The beauty of it for Indy is the fit. Carlisle is a fan of Simmons and we've already seen what he can do with Seth Curry. I think Indy obviously knocks it out of the park with this trade.

[Helsbyte]

My concern for Indy was if we traded Brogdon for Simmons what happens if Simmons doesn't show up? We run with McConnell? Who backs him up?

That's Indiana' problem to solve, not Philly's problem to add more value. If Indy believes Simmons won't report, then they shouldn't trade for him, but they don't get to have Philly just give them more value.

I agree that Indy shouldn't trade for him if he isn't going to play here. But I am sure Philly thought they were good when they signed him to his contract and wouldn't be in this situation. It isn't Indy's job to make Philly a championship team that is Philly's job to solve.