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[LAL1947]

LeVert might be slightly better than Curry but Curry's contract is far superior.

I disagree with this bit. Levert is the better scorer (I think so at least), play-maker, doesn't need to be hid on defense... and Curry is a lot older too. All this makes Levert a better candidate for a starting 5 player rather than someone coming off the bench. The dollars for Curry's contract are good... but I think this is more a case of "you're paying for what you get" and not a case of "his contract being superior". Not sure if I'm explaining that well, but I hope you understand my meaning and the difference.

[LAL1947]

How does this look?

HOU Out: Wall, 1st round pick swap
HOU In: Harris, Nance Jr

Why for Houston? They're looking to move Wall and this trade earns them +9 wins on ESPN's trade machi

I think Houston would prefer -9 wins. They're bringing out the Tank Commander this season!

[zimpy27]

LeVert might be slightly better than Curry but Curry's contract is far superior.

I disagree with this bit. Levert is the better scorer (I think so at least), play-maker, doesn't need to be hid on defense... and Curry is a lot older too. All this makes Levert a better candidate for a starting 5 player rather than someone coming off the bench. The dollars for Curry's contract are good... but I think this is more a case of "you're paying for what you get" and not a case of "his contract being superior". Not sure if I'm explaining that well, but I hope you understand my meaning and the difference.

LeVert is as useful defensively as Curry. However, yes LeVert is a much better playmaker, scorer and rebounder. Curry is a very efficient shooter though. If LeVert could stay healthy and on the court reliably then I'd agree with you on value. Did you consider how often he is injured?

[zimpy27]

Reworking this trade:

POR give CJ+Nurkic+Little
POR get Sabonis+Dragic+Boucher
Lillard, Powell, Covington, Nance, Sabonis -- Dragic, Simons, Snell, Boucher, Zeller
I really love the idea of Sabonis in Portland, not just because of family history but because I think that team is set up for him to shine as a Point-Center. The main weakness in Portland is an experienced bench with need for a backup PG and PF. Dragic and Boucher fit very well.

TOR give Boucher+Dragic+TOR22FRP
TOR get Nurkic+Lamb
FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam, Nurkic -- Flynn, Lamb, Barnes, Achiuwa, Birch
Raptors get a starting C and backup scoring SG to balance their lineup and build a competitive team for the next season.

IND give Sabonis+LeVert+Lamb
IND get Simmons+Curry+Little
Curry, Brogdon, Simmons, Warren, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Carlisle gets a dream team to work with, offense galore and some world class defenders. They also get Little who can develop as another wing in their arsenal.

PHI give Simmons+Curry
PHI get CJ+LeVert+TOR22FRP
CJ, Green, LeVert, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond
Philly get a nice return for Simmons, two players that can score and playmake should help to drastically improve their offense under Doc Rivers and cover for problems thy had in the last playoff series.

[HartfordWhalers]

LeVert might be slightly better than Curry but Curry's contract is far superior.

I disagree with this bit. Levert is the better scorer (I think so at least), play-maker, doesn't need to be hid on defense... and Curry is a lot older too. All this makes Levert a better candidate for a starting 5 player rather than someone coming off the bench. The dollars for Curry's contract are good... but I think this is more a case of "you're paying for what you get" and not a case of "his contract being superior". Not sure if I'm explaining that well, but I hope you understand my meaning and the difference.

LeVert is as useful defensively as Curry. However, yes LeVert is a much better playmaker, scorer and rebounder. Curry is a very efficient shooter though. If LeVert could stay healthy and on the court reliably then I'd agree with you on value. Did you consider how often he is injured?

LeVert creates more. However, is there actually quality to what he creates? Or is he a modern day Monta Ellis, jacking up enough bad shots to get points but doing so in a way that actually hurts his team?

To me, a TS% at 52% is so clearly a bunch of negative value shots, it isn't even close. And he isn't a guy that sets up his teammates so much that all those bad shots are loss leaders. The Indy team did worse with him on the court, and I don;t think taht was a statistical fluke.

As long as no GS fans are looking, we can compare it to having Andrew Wiggins jacking 20 shots up a game, only without the stellar defense that Wiggins now has.

I've had LeVert as straight up negative value, and his injuries just make that worse. Obviously some fans feel different, and Indy picked to take him so thought they saw value. I just think they were wrong.

[basketballwacko2]

Reworking this trade:

POR give CJ+Nurkic+Little
POR get Sabonis+Dragic+Boucher
Lillard, Powell, Covington, Nance, Sabonis -- Dragic, Simons, Snell, Boucher, Zeller
I really love the idea of Sabonis in Portland, not just because of family history but because I think that team is set up for him to shine as a Point-Center. The main weakness in Portland is an experienced bench with need for a backup PG and PF. Dragic and Boucher fit very well.

TOR give Boucher+Dragic+TOR22FRP
TOR get Nurkic+Lamb+Little
FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam, Nurkic -- Flynn, Lamb, Barnes, Achiuwa, Birch
Raptors get a starting C and backup scoring SG to balance their lineup and build a competitive team for the next season. They also get Little who can develop as another wing in their arsenal.

IND give Sabonis+LeVert
IND get Simmons+Curry
Curry, Brogdon, Simmons, Warren, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Carlisle gets a dream team to work with, offense galore and some world class defenders.

PHI give Simmons+Curry
PHI get CJ+LeVert+TOR22FRP
CJ, Green, LeVert, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond
Philly get a nice return for Simmons, two players that can score and playmake should help to drastically improve their offense under Doc Rivers and cover for problems thy had in the last playoff series.

This is a no for Indiana, it puts them in the tax and they aren't going to operate in the tax.

[pacers33granger]

Reworking this trade:

POR give CJ+Nurkic+Little
POR get Sabonis+Dragic+Boucher
Lillard, Powell, Covington, Nance, Sabonis -- Dragic, Simons, Snell, Boucher, Zeller
I really love the idea of Sabonis in Portland, not just because of family history but because I think that team is set up for him to shine as a Point-Center. The main weakness in Portland is an experienced bench with need for a backup PG and PF. Dragic and Boucher fit very well.

TOR give Boucher+Dragic+TOR22FRP
TOR get Nurkic+Lamb+Little
FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam, Nurkic -- Flynn, Lamb, Barnes, Achiuwa, Birch
Raptors get a starting C and backup scoring SG to balance their lineup and build a competitive team for the next season. They also get Little who can develop as another wing in their arsenal.

IND give Sabonis+LeVert
IND get Simmons+Curry
Curry, Brogdon, Simmons, Warren, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Carlisle gets a dream team to work with, offense galore and some world class defenders.

PHI give Simmons+Curry
PHI get CJ+LeVert+TOR22FRP
CJ, Green, LeVert, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond
Philly get a nice return for Simmons, two players that can score and playmake should help to drastically improve their offense under Doc Rivers and cover for problems thy had in the last playoff series.

This is a no for Indiana, it puts them in the tax and they aren't going to operate in the tax.

It looks like Lamb is included in what Toronto is getting. So we shave about $6.6 mil actually.

[basketballwacko2]

Reworking this trade:

POR give CJ+Nurkic+Little
POR get Sabonis+Dragic+Boucher
Lillard, Powell, Covington, Nance, Sabonis -- Dragic, Simons, Snell, Boucher, Zeller
I really love the idea of Sabonis in Portland, not just because of family history but because I think that team is set up for him to shine as a Point-Center. The main weakness in Portland is an experienced bench with need for a backup PG and PF. Dragic and Boucher fit very well.

TOR give Boucher+Dragic+TOR22FRP
TOR get Nurkic+Lamb+Little
FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam, Nurkic -- Flynn, Lamb, Barnes, Achiuwa, Birch
Raptors get a starting C and backup scoring SG to balance their lineup and build a competitive team for the next season. They also get Little who can develop as another wing in their arsenal.

IND give Sabonis+LeVert
IND get Simmons+Curry
Curry, Brogdon, Simmons, Warren, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Carlisle gets a dream team to work with, offense galore and some world class defenders.

PHI give Simmons+Curry
PHI get CJ+LeVert+TOR22FRP
CJ, Green, LeVert, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond
Philly get a nice return for Simmons, two players that can score and playmake should help to drastically improve their offense under Doc Rivers and cover for problems thy had in the last playoff series.

This is a no for Indiana, it puts them in the tax and they aren't going to operate in the tax.

It looks like Lamb is included in what Toronto is getting. So we shave about $6.6 mil actually.

I didn't notice that but it's still terrible for Indiana. Sabonis>Simmons.

[zimpy27]

This is a no for Indiana, it puts them in the tax and they aren't going to operate in the tax.

It looks like Lamb is included in what Toronto is getting. So we shave about $6.6 mil actually.

I didn't notice that but it's still terrible for Indiana. Sabonis>Simmons.

Yeah sorry, I forgot to add it in the IND section that they were moving Lamb.

I think objective rankings have Simmons a little above Sabonis but practically equal. Contract wise Sabonis is better but not fit-wise.
Do you like the general direction of the trade?

Would an FRP to Indy help facilitate the deal? Or an upgrade of another player?

[Godaddycurse]

Reworking this trade:

POR give CJ+Nurkic+Little
POR get Sabonis+Dragic+Boucher
Lillard, Powell, Covington, Nance, Sabonis -- Dragic, Simons, Snell, Boucher, Zeller
I really love the idea of Sabonis in Portland, not just because of family history but because I think that team is set up for him to shine as a Point-Center. The main weakness in Portland is an experienced bench with need for a backup PG and PF. Dragic and Boucher fit very well.

TOR give Boucher+Dragic+TOR22FRP
TOR get Nurkic+Lamb
FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam, Nurkic -- Flynn, Lamb, Barnes, Achiuwa, Birch
Raptors get a starting C and backup scoring SG to balance their lineup and build a competitive team for the next season.

IND give Sabonis+LeVert+Lamb
IND get Simmons+Curry+Little
Curry, Brogdon, Simmons, Warren, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Carlisle gets a dream team to work with, offense galore and some world class defenders. They also get Little who can develop as another wing in their arsenal.

PHI give Simmons+Curry
PHI get CJ+LeVert+TOR22FRP
CJ, Green, LeVert, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond
Philly get a nice return for Simmons, two players that can score and playmake should help to drastically improve their offense under Doc Rivers and cover for problems thy had in the last playoff series.

I would give a lotto protected 1st or Boucher for Nurkic, not both. Not worth both assets when he is expiring and injury prone

[zimpy27]

Reworking this trade:

POR give CJ+Nurkic+Little
POR get Sabonis+Dragic+Boucher
Lillard, Powell, Covington, Nance, Sabonis -- Dragic, Simons, Snell, Boucher, Zeller
I really love the idea of Sabonis in Portland, not just because of family history but because I think that team is set up for him to shine as a Point-Center. The main weakness in Portland is an experienced bench with need for a backup PG and PF. Dragic and Boucher fit very well.

TOR give Boucher+Dragic+TOR22FRP
TOR get Nurkic+Lamb
FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam, Nurkic -- Flynn, Lamb, Barnes, Achiuwa, Birch
Raptors get a starting C and backup scoring SG to balance their lineup and build a competitive team for the next season.

IND give Sabonis+LeVert+Lamb
IND get Simmons+Curry+Little
Curry, Brogdon, Simmons, Warren, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Carlisle gets a dream team to work with, offense galore and some world class defenders. They also get Little who can develop as another wing in their arsenal.

PHI give Simmons+Curry
PHI get CJ+LeVert+TOR22FRP
CJ, Green, LeVert, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond
Philly get a nice return for Simmons, two players that can score and playmake should help to drastically improve their offense under Doc Rivers and cover for problems thy had in the last playoff series.

I would give a lotto protected 1st or Boucher for Nurkic, not both. Not worth both assets when he is expiring and injury prone

Seems like you value Boucher more than me if you're equating him to a lotto protected FRP. He also has 1 year left, hasn't shown much in the past and has just had surgery.

Who has more value to you: Boucher or Achiuwa?

[Godaddycurse]

Reworking this trade:

POR give CJ+Nurkic+Little
POR get Sabonis+Dragic+Boucher
Lillard, Powell, Covington, Nance, Sabonis -- Dragic, Simons, Snell, Boucher, Zeller
I really love the idea of Sabonis in Portland, not just because of family history but because I think that team is set up for him to shine as a Point-Center. The main weakness in Portland is an experienced bench with need for a backup PG and PF. Dragic and Boucher fit very well.

TOR give Boucher+Dragic+TOR22FRP
TOR get Nurkic+Lamb
FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam, Nurkic -- Flynn, Lamb, Barnes, Achiuwa, Birch
Raptors get a starting C and backup scoring SG to balance their lineup and build a competitive team for the next season.

IND give Sabonis+LeVert+Lamb
IND get Simmons+Curry+Little
Curry, Brogdon, Simmons, Warren, Turner -- McConnell, Duarte, JHoliday, Oshae, Goga
Carlisle gets a dream team to work with, offense galore and some world class defenders. They also get Little who can develop as another wing in their arsenal.

PHI give Simmons+Curry
PHI get CJ+LeVert+TOR22FRP
CJ, Green, LeVert, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond
Philly get a nice return for Simmons, two players that can score and playmake should help to drastically improve their offense under Doc Rivers and cover for problems thy had in the last playoff series.

I would give a lotto protected 1st or Boucher for Nurkic, not both. Not worth both assets when he is expiring and injury prone

Seems like you value Boucher more than me if you're equating him to a lotto protected FRP. He also has 1 year left, hasn't shown much in the past and has just had surgery.

Who has more value to you: Boucher or Achiuwa?

I value Boucher at a late 1st + salary. Achiuwa probably has more value even if boucher is the better player due to being cost control for 2 more years.

[Laimbeer]

Is there a Detroit deal to be made? Cade is a no, and Hayes doesn't help the Sixers. Is anything around Grant and Olynyk close?

[babyjax13]

Is there a Detroit deal to be made? Cade is a no, and Hayes doesn't help the Sixers. Is anything around Grant and Olynyk close?

I think Grant + Olynyk would be a reasonable offer, probably add a well-protected 1st, say 2024 1st (1-14, 1-10, 1-8, 2nd).

[Tomjas]

Is there a Detroit deal to be made? Cade is a no, and Hayes doesn't help the Sixers. Is anything around Grant and Olynyk close?

I think Grant + Olynyk would be a reasonable offer, probably add a well-protected 1st, say 2024 1st (1-14, 1-10, 1-8, 2nd).

Sixers need a primary ball handler

[jbk1234]

Is there a Detroit deal to be made? Cade is a no, and Hayes doesn't help the Sixers. Is anything around Grant and Olynyk close?

Hayes would help the Sixers even if his primary function would be to bring in a third team to substitute value.

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[babyjax13]

Is there a Detroit deal to be made? Cade is a no, and Hayes doesn't help the Sixers. Is anything around Grant and Olynyk close?

I think Grant + Olynyk would be a reasonable offer, probably add a well-protected 1st, say 2024 1st (1-14, 1-10, 1-8, 2nd).

Sixers need a primary ball handler

Do a follow up trade. What they need to do is extract as much value as they can from a trade. I'm not sure this trade would be it, but I do think it'd be a competitive offer.

[Tomjas]

I think Grant + Olynyk would be a reasonable offer, probably add a well-protected 1st, say 2024 1st (1-14, 1-10, 1-8, 2nd).

Sixers need a primary ball handler

Do a follow up trade. What they need to do is extract as much value as they can from a trade. I'm not sure this trade would be it, but I do think it'd be a competitive offer.

Morey wants a “star” or draft capital to trade for one

This doesn’t achieve either of those goals

[jbk1234]

I think Grant + Olynyk would be a reasonable offer, probably add a well-protected 1st, say 2024 1st (1-14, 1-10, 1-8, 2nd).

Sixers need a primary ball handler

Do a follow up trade. What they need to do is extract as much value as they can from a trade. I'm not sure this trade would be it, but I do think it'd be a competitive offer.

That would be foolish. The season is starting. They need to lineup the follow up trade now and just make it a three team trade.

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[babyjax13]

Sixers need a primary ball handler

Do a follow up trade. What they need to do is extract as much value as they can from a trade. I'm not sure this trade would be it, but I do think it'd be a competitive offer.

Morey wants a “star” or draft capital to trade for one

This doesn’t achieve either of those goals

So far nothing has. Grant, McCollum, White, Brogdon - they are all players of a particular caliber and it's not what Morey seems to want, but it is who is possibly available.