Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million

[DrWood]

While it's not as bad as basing an opinion on his very small sample of summer league games where he was highly inefficient, it's pretty bad to assume he will be efficient based on a small sample of largely garbage-time minutes in his rookie year.
At best you can be hopeful, but I don't see how he's going to get any minutes this year unless probably multiple players on the roster are injured or cut.

He started a couple games, played big minutes in another, and his start lines actually improved in those games.

He's definitely in the rotation this year. Who would be ahead of him?

Giannis
Khris
Jrue
Lopez
Allen
DDV (when healthy)
Portis
Pat
Hill

At best, Jordan is the 10th man if, IF, he can beat out Semi, Hood, and Thanasis. I'd like to see Jordan's shooting play as well, but last year he couldn't even beat out Thanasis. On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Bud put the regular season on cruise control and go really deep into his bench on a regular basis.

He's only going to beat those guys out if they're injured or if Hood is toast. So Nwora is 13th. Garbage time, filling in for an injured guy, and some situational minutes. I'd love for him to develop into a solid rotational piece, but if he does we won't even know because he won't be getting the minutes.

[ShootingtheJ]

He started a couple games, played big minutes in another, and his start lines actually improved in those games.

He's definitely in the rotation this year. Who would be ahead of him?

Giannis
Khris
Jrue
Lopez
Allen
DDV (when healthy)
Portis
Pat
Hill

At best, Jordan is the 10th man if, IF, he can beat out Semi, Hood, and Thanasis. I'd like to see Jordan's shooting play as well, but last year he couldn't even beat out Thanasis. On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Bud put the regular season on cruise control and go really deep into his bench on a regular basis.

He's only going to beat those guys out if they're injured or if Hood is toast. So Nwora is 13th. Garbage time, filling in for an injured guy, and some situational minutes. I'd love for him to develop into a solid rotational piece, but if he does we won't even know because he won't be getting the minutes.

Not only is Hood toast, but Nwora is a good as Hood at his best. Bud, like most coaches, is very hesitant to play rookies, but this year Nwora will be unleashed.

Being healthy now while few others are also gives him a leg up.

[MVP2110]

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[Milbucks96]

I’m sure he’ll play opening night but that knee still bothering Giannis 2 and a half months later is something. I wonder if he’s in and out of the lineup in the beggining like that stretch last season. Bobby’s hamstring is another thing to watch in the next couple weeks. Everybody else I would assume are just rest/nagging injuries and getting back into game shape soreness.

[Matches Malone]

Was hoping to see some Hood and Ojeley tomorrow.

[theFireBlanket]

Hasn't Giannis talked about not only still having pain but possibly not being fully ready to start the year?

[jakecronus8]

Please please please. If at all possible, something around Donte for Mo Bamba before it’s too late.

[DrWood]

Giannis
Khris
Jrue
Lopez
Allen
DDV (when healthy)
Portis
Pat
Hill

At best, Jordan is the 10th man if, IF, he can beat out Semi, Hood, and Thanasis. I'd like to see Jordan's shooting play as well, but last year he couldn't even beat out Thanasis. On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Bud put the regular season on cruise control and go really deep into his bench on a regular basis.

He's only going to beat those guys out if they're injured or if Hood is toast. So Nwora is 13th. Garbage time, filling in for an injured guy, and some situational minutes. I'd love for him to develop into a solid rotational piece, but if he does we won't even know because he won't be getting the minutes.

Not only is Hood toast, but Nwora is a good as Hood at his best. Bud, like most coaches, is very hesitant to play rookies, but this year Nwora will be unleashed.

Being healthy now while few others are also gives him a leg up.

you're reasonable on just about every issue except Nwora. really inscrutable.

[PANDEMONEUM]

went to the scrimmage.
no Hood, Semi, Giannis.

Giorgos is smaller than i thought.
idk if he can play SF even.

JOB isnt good. hes not going to make the team.
maybe Semis injury is major enough, only reason i can see job getting the spot.

everyone missed open shots.
a bit annoying.

i saw some new plays, kind of exciting that we even ran plays.
been asking for more sets since yr 1 with Bud

Is it Semis hip injury from Jrues screen 6 months back? Or a different injury?

oh, wow.
thats a great question.
since there were no game action since, its probaly the same injury.
great memory.
points to you.

[PANDEMONEUM]

went to the scrimmage.
no Hood, Semi, Giannis.

Giorgos is smaller than i thought.
idk if he can play SF even.

JOB isnt good. hes not going to make the team.
maybe Semis injury is major enough, only reason i can see job getting the spot.

everyone missed open shots.
a bit annoying.

i saw some new plays, kind of exciting that we even ran plays.
been asking for more sets since yr 1 with Bud

Thanks for the recap. Were there no other positives from the scrimmage other than the new plays ran?

positives, since im being forced...
lots of ball handlers.
pretty much everyone but BroLo, JOB.
should allow faster and easier chances, lots of leakouts.

Sandro looks good.
play him with the starters, and he will produce, good.

play from both teams looked smooth. not many mistakes or miscues.

new plays/sets, like i mentioned earlier.
this is super and extra important imo.
Bucks became very simple in the 2nd half of last season.
didnt even run their usual sets.
by now, the team should have 6+ offensive sets with multiple options,
AND
6+ plays, just for Giannis,
and we dont have either.

[ShootingtheJ]

He's only going to beat those guys out if they're injured or if Hood is toast. So Nwora is 13th. Garbage time, filling in for an injured guy, and some situational minutes. I'd love for him to develop into a solid rotational piece, but if he does we won't even know because he won't be getting the minutes.

Not only is Hood toast, but Nwora is a good as Hood at his best. Bud, like most coaches, is very hesitant to play rookies, but this year Nwora will be unleashed.

Being healthy now while few others are also gives him a leg up.

you're reasonable on just about every issue except Nwora. really inscrutable.

The possibility exists that I'm also being reasonable about Nwora. Did you notice who lead the team in minutes last night? The team is super intrigued by Nwora. He logged a 23 PER in those minutes.

[DingleJerry]

Yea I have no idea what their plan is with Nwora. But obviously we've realized regular season isn't all that important as the key is to prep for the playoffs. Plus the stars are going to need some time off early in this year. So there seems to be an opportunity for him. and his specific skillset is something that could be a huge bonus in the playoffs. So even if he is so bad on D right now and it costs them some Ws if that's what's needed to try and get him ready for the playoffs I think it's worth a try. Or, give him the mins to find out if its a lost cause or not

[ReasonablySober]

Hollinger on what our guys probably deserve on their contract extensions:

Donte DiVincenzo, Bucks (17th pick), EEV: four years, $99 million
DiVincenzo is one of the most fascinating contractual situations for me because it seems clear he’s a lot more valuable to another team than he is to the current incarnation of the Bucks. DiVincenzo hints at being a plus shot creator with his handle and burst, but the Bucks don’t need that from him. With just average deep shooting, meanwhile, he doesn’t quite fit snugly as an off-ball piece. Finally, paying him this kind of money would be problematic for a Bucks team that already lies deep in the tax due to the huge salaries of its three stars.

Nonetheless, he’s by far the Bucks’ best young player, and the numbers suggest he’s worth paying a handsome sum. He may end up being an interesting restricted free agent in 2022 … if he isn’t traded first.

Grayson Allen, Bucks (21st pick), EEV: three years, $16.5 million
Because of Allen’s age (he turns 26 this week), my method was emphatic about not giving him a fourth year. On a three-year extension, however, he could provide halfway decent value at a price around the room exception. Allen represents a discount option for the Bucks relative to DiVincenzo, offering more shooting around their stars but dramatically less of everything else. However, players at this price point rarely extend their deals.

[MVP2110]

Hollinger on what our guys probably deserve on their contract extensions:

Donte DiVincenzo, Bucks (17th pick), EEV: four years, $99 million
DiVincenzo is one of the most fascinating contractual situations for me because it seems clear he’s a lot more valuable to another team than he is to the current incarnation of the Bucks. DiVincenzo hints at being a plus shot creator with his handle and burst, but the Bucks don’t need that from him. With just average deep shooting, meanwhile, he doesn’t quite fit snugly as an off-ball piece. Finally, paying him this kind of money would be problematic for a Bucks team that already lies deep in the tax due to the huge salaries of its three stars.

Nonetheless, he’s by far the Bucks’ best young player, and the numbers suggest he’s worth paying a handsome sum. He may end up being an interesting restricted free agent in 2022 … if he isn’t traded first.

Grayson Allen, Bucks (21st pick), EEV: three years, $16.5 million
Because of Allen’s age (he turns 26 this week), my method was emphatic about not giving him a fourth year. On a three-year extension, however, he could provide halfway decent value at a price around the room exception. Allen represents a discount option for the Bucks relative to DiVincenzo, offering more shooting around their stars but dramatically less of everything else. However, players at this price point rarely extend their deals.

What an absolutely wild difference between those 2 contracts

[Turk Nowitzki]

Hollinger on what our guys probably deserve on their contract extensions:

Donte DiVincenzo, Bucks (17th pick), EEV: four years, $99 million
DiVincenzo is one of the most fascinating contractual situations for me because it seems clear he’s a lot more valuable to another team than he is to the current incarnation of the Bucks. DiVincenzo hints at being a plus shot creator with his handle and burst, but the Bucks don’t need that from him. With just average deep shooting, meanwhile, he doesn’t quite fit snugly as an off-ball piece. Finally, paying him this kind of money would be problematic for a Bucks team that already lies deep in the tax due to the huge salaries of its three stars.

Nonetheless, he’s by far the Bucks’ best young player, and the numbers suggest he’s worth paying a handsome sum. He may end up being an interesting restricted free agent in 2022 … if he isn’t traded first.

Grayson Allen, Bucks (21st pick), EEV: three years, $16.5 million
Because of Allen’s age (he turns 26 this week), my method was emphatic about not giving him a fourth year. On a three-year extension, however, he could provide halfway decent value at a price around the room exception. Allen represents a discount option for the Bucks relative to DiVincenzo, offering more shooting around their stars but dramatically less of everything else. However, players at this price point rarely extend their deals.

lol wtf

[emunney]

Hollinger on what our guys probably deserve on their contract extensions:

Donte DiVincenzo, Bucks (17th pick), EEV: four years, $99 million
DiVincenzo is one of the most fascinating contractual situations for me because it seems clear he’s a lot more valuable to another team than he is to the current incarnation of the Bucks. DiVincenzo hints at being a plus shot creator with his handle and burst, but the Bucks don’t need that from him. With just average deep shooting, meanwhile, he doesn’t quite fit snugly as an off-ball piece. Finally, paying him this kind of money would be problematic for a Bucks team that already lies deep in the tax due to the huge salaries of its three stars.

Nonetheless, he’s by far the Bucks’ best young player, and the numbers suggest he’s worth paying a handsome sum. He may end up being an interesting restricted free agent in 2022 … if he isn’t traded first.

Grayson Allen, Bucks (21st pick), EEV: three years, $16.5 million
Because of Allen’s age (he turns 26 this week), my method was emphatic about not giving him a fourth year. On a three-year extension, however, he could provide halfway decent value at a price around the room exception. Allen represents a discount option for the Bucks relative to DiVincenzo, offering more shooting around their stars but dramatically less of everything else. However, players at this price point rarely extend their deals.

Hollinger is probably the biggest DDV fan out of all the national media, and it's because his advanced numbers are so consistently ridiculous. I'm a huge DDV fan myself but really question the "plus shot creator" projection.

[DingleJerry]

Yea if those are my choices I'm taking Allen all day.

I'm also not sure his DDV value to the Bucks assessment is really correct. First, I think his assessment that there is way more there for DDVs game in terms of creator/lead type guy is not accurate. To me, I think he struggles when he tries to do all that stuff and don't see that 'leap' possible, or at least likely. Unlike say a Brogdon who you could see he had more. So, at that point his jack of all trades/hustle/D/rebounding things he's a huge plus at are more valued to MKE's situation than they would be somewhere else.

Overall I don't see how their values could be that drastically different. He knocks Allen for his age 26, but DDV turns 25 in Jan and has multiple foot injuries already.

[ReasonablySober]

If that's DDV's value around the league, a trade might be the best thing for all parties involved.

[paulpressey25]

If that's DDV's value around the league, a trade might be the best thing for all parties involved.

There is no other team in the league paying DDV $99 million over four-years, even if they acquired him from the Bucks for free. Like Hollinger, but he's off his rocker on this one.

[MVP2110]

If that's DDV's value around the league, a trade might be the best thing for all parties involved.

There is no other team in the league paying DDV $99 million over four-years, even if they acquired him from the Bucks for free. Like Hollinger, but he's off his rocker on this one.

Fwiw I think he's also off his rocker on that Grayson number. I cannot imagine a world where Grayson signs for 3/16