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Post#21 » by bstein14 » Sun Oct 3, 2021 11:28 pm

if anything, Weaver has made comments about how there wasnt a superstar talent in this draft like. LeBron, AD, Duncan, Zion, etc. Made me wonder a bit how Cade took those comments. I would say that if anything Cade has been looked at as a major piece to the puzzke rather than a superstar talent thst can carry a team like a Grant Hill.
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Post#22 » by Snakebites » Mon Oct 4, 2021 2:28 am

Pistonrings wrote:Glad we have him, he will be an all star, but I don't see him being a Superstar. I'm don't see any physical domination like Bron barrelling down the lane and crushing defenders out of the way.

He will be a very good shooter, from 3 and from midrange, he will be a good passer and ft shooter, he will be an all star, but not the next Greek Freak. He just doesn't have a physically dominant body like that.

But, I'm glad he isn't a super athletic freak like Williamson or Jalen Green. I think the wear and tear on knees and ankles and backs of those kinds of guys means they will be often injured and once those knees start getting injured the player can take a dive because so much of their game requires that athletic explosion.

Cade has the kind of body that will last because he will play within himself and still be an all star, and that makes me happy we got him

Yeah, I don't think anyone is really thinking he's going to be a transcendent star or anything like that.

He isn't a physical freak like Giannis, nor is he a virtuoso with the ball like Luka.

He's a guy who can become a really strong overall player- maybe even a perennial all star.
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Post#23 » by zeebneeb » Mon Oct 4, 2021 3:30 am

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Pistonrings wrote:Glad we have him, he will be an all star, but I don't see him being a Superstar. I'm don't see any physical domination like Bron barrelling down the lane and crushing defenders out of the way.

He will be a very good shooter, from 3 and from midrange, he will be a good passer and ft shooter, he will be an all star, but not the next Greek Freak. He just doesn't have a physically dominant body like that.

But, I'm glad he isn't a super athletic freak like Williamson or Jalen Green. I think the wear and tear on knees and ankles and backs of those kinds of guys means they will be often injured and once those knees start getting injured the player can take a dive because so much of their game requires that athletic explosion.

Cade has the kind of body that will last because he will play within himself and still be an all star, and that makes me happy we got him

Yeah, I don't think anyone is really thinking he's going to be a transcendent star or anything like that.

He isn't a physical freak like Giannis, nor is he a virtuoso with the ball like Luka.

He's a guy who can become a really strong overall player- maybe even a perennial all star.
I do, and so do thousands of other Piston fans. He is the #1 pick, so the expectations are high.

I'm sure the front office has its hopes/expectations as well.

We'll see starting in a few days!
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Post#24 » by Snakebites » Mon Oct 4, 2021 3:38 am

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Pistonrings wrote:Glad we have him, he will be an all star, but I don't see him being a Superstar. I'm don't see any physical domination like Bron barrelling down the lane and crushing defenders out of the way.

He will be a very good shooter, from 3 and from midrange, he will be a good passer and ft shooter, he will be an all star, but not the next Greek Freak. He just doesn't have a physically dominant body like that.

But, I'm glad he isn't a super athletic freak like Williamson or Jalen Green. I think the wear and tear on knees and ankles and backs of those kinds of guys means they will be often injured and once those knees start getting injured the player can take a dive because so much of their game requires that athletic explosion.

Cade has the kind of body that will last because he will play within himself and still be an all star, and that makes me happy we got him

Yeah, I don't think anyone is really thinking he's going to be a transcendent star or anything like that.

He isn't a physical freak like Giannis, nor is he a virtuoso with the ball like Luka.

He's a guy who can become a really strong overall player- maybe even a perennial all star.
I do, and so do thousands of other Piston fans. He is the #1 pick, so the expectations are high.

I'm sure the front office has its hopes/expectations as well.

We'll see starting in a few days!


Most number one picks don’t get there, and no player projected to be a transcendent superstar in this draft.

For clarity, I don't think Cade will bust. He's not going to be a Darko or a Kwame Brown. But to me he's a guy who could meet all reasonable expectations and still never contend for an MVP. He's a critical piece but he's not a guy who's going to lift us up on his shoulders by himself.
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Post#25 » by zeebneeb » Mon Oct 4, 2021 11:58 am

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Snakebites wrote:Yeah, I don't think anyone is really thinking he's going to be a transcendent star or anything like that.

He isn't a physical freak like Giannis, nor is he a virtuoso with the ball like Luka.

He's a guy who can become a really strong overall player- maybe even a perennial all star.
I do, and so do thousands of other Piston fans. He is the #1 pick, so the expectations are high.

I'm sure the front office has its hopes/expectations as well.

We'll see starting in a few days!


Most number one picks don’t get there, and no player projected to be a transcendent superstar in this draft.

For clarity, I don't think Cade will bust. He's not going to be a Darko or a Kwame Brown. But to me he's a guy who could meet all reasonable expectations and still never contend for an MVP. He's a critical piece but he's not a guy who's going to lift us up on his shoulders by himself.
C'mon Snakes. It's the start of a new season, the Pistons are finally moving in the right direction, promising second year players, and the first #1 pick in 50 damn years.

You have to do better then this. A little optimism, dare I say it, a little homerism is in order. You can do it. I have faith in you. Step out a little on that limb, and free yourself of the shackles of constraint, and rationalism. I have enjoyed sparring with you over the years, and even appreciate your grounded outlook, but;

Now is the time to know that Cade Cunningham is the chosen one, and will put this team on his shoulders, and become a superstar, bringing glory back to Motown.

You can do it Snakebites.
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Post#26 » by Laimbeer » Mon Oct 4, 2021 2:15 pm

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Post#27 » by bstein14 » Mon Oct 4, 2021 2:59 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
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He was such an elite shooter in college always a risk to try to change that at this point.
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Post#28 » by whitehops » Mon Oct 4, 2021 3:11 pm

bstein14 wrote:He was such an elite shooter in college always a risk to try to change that at this point.


casey had another quote saying that they weren't going to change his mechanics this close to the season so it might be more of a long-term project?
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Post#29 » by FloridaMan78 » Mon Oct 4, 2021 4:50 pm

whitehops wrote:
bstein14 wrote:He was such an elite shooter in college always a risk to try to change that at this point.


casey had another quote saying that they weren't going to change his mechanics this close to the season so it might be more of a long-term project?


It’s something Cade has talked before about in interviews. He talked about how his shot improved when he kept his release high while in college. Yea when Casey was talking about it he said it’s nothing about changing mechanics just keeping his release high. Sounds more about practicing good habits and having good tendencies than changing anything about his shot.
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Post#30 » by Snakebites » Mon Oct 4, 2021 5:13 pm

zeebneeb wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:I do, and so do thousands of other Piston fans. He is the #1 pick, so the expectations are high.

I'm sure the front office has its hopes/expectations as well.

We'll see starting in a few days!


Most number one picks don’t get there, and no player projected to be a transcendent superstar in this draft.

For clarity, I don't think Cade will bust. He's not going to be a Darko or a Kwame Brown. But to me he's a guy who could meet all reasonable expectations and still never contend for an MVP. He's a critical piece but he's not a guy who's going to lift us up on his shoulders by himself.
C'mon Snakes. It's the start of a new season, the Pistons are finally moving in the right direction, promising second year players, and the first #1 pick in 50 damn years.

You have to do better then this. A little optimism, dare I say it, a little homerism is in order. You can do it. I have faith in you. Step out a little on that limb, and free yourself of the shackles of constraint, and rationalism. I have enjoyed sparring with you over the years, and even appreciate your grounded outlook, but;

Now is the time to know that Cade Cunningham is the chosen one, and will put this team on his shoulders, and become a superstar, bringing glory back to Motown.

You can do it Snakebites.

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Post#31 » by Uncle Mxy » Mon Oct 4, 2021 11:05 pm

It's still amazing that a midget can palm the ball -- or maybe it's an optical illusion?
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Post#32 » by DBC10 » Tue Oct 5, 2021 1:03 am

whitehops wrote:
bstein14 wrote:He was such an elite shooter in college always a risk to try to change that at this point.


casey had another quote saying that they weren't going to change his mechanics this close to the season so it might be more of a long-term project?


I really hope not. You never want to mechanically change much at all when they were already near elite to elite to begin with. Depending on one's definition of "fine-tuning" that's great and all, but a shot is so personal and custom to one's needs, it need not to be messed with too much if it got them to the pros
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Post#33 » by zeebneeb » Tue Oct 5, 2021 4:19 am

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whitehops wrote:
bstein14 wrote:He was such an elite shooter in college always a risk to try to change that at this point.


casey had another quote saying that they weren't going to change his mechanics this close to the season so it might be more of a long-term project?


I really hope not. You never want to mechanically change much at all when they were already near elite to elite to begin with. Depending on one's definition of "fine-tuning" that's great and all, but a shot is so personal and custom to one's needs, it need not to be messed with too much if it got them to the pros
Agreed. His shot was amazing in summer league. The same exact thing was said about Bey, and he had a killer rookie season from deep.

Leave well enough alone.
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Post#34 » by Pistonrings » Tue Oct 5, 2021 4:48 am

The best level of stardom I could see for Cade would be Steph Curry level, and certainly many would say he is a superstar, and many would say he is just a very good star.

Cade will never burn past people with speed, he will never physically bully people like Bron, he will never be a tall freakish athlete like Durant and Greek freak.
BUT, it is possible he could be a huge star by being an absolutely great shooter like Steph, but we'll see. He would need to win a title and be a finals MVP just to begin that kind of journey, so it's a ways off.

But anyone thinking he will be some physically dominant force should explain what they are seeing in him that makes them believe that. I don't see it.

He may become a big time star because of all around play and centered on being a Steph level shooter, but he'll need to get us to a finals as THE guy first before he even begins to be Steph level in the minds of the NBA national fans.

Jeez, I would be very happy if he is simply an all star for 10 seasons and helps the team win a couple titles. Who wouldn't be thrilled with that? It's all about winning titles, I want our team as a whole to be champs again. If we get that and Cade scores 20 per game, 6 assists, 6 rebounds, and a block with a couple steal per game and the Pistons hoist a couple trophies with him I will be thrilled with his career.
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Post#35 » by zeebneeb » Tue Oct 5, 2021 12:20 pm

Pistonrings wrote:The best level of stardom I could see for Cade would be Steph Curry level, and certainly many would say he is a superstar, and many would say he is just a very good star.

Cade will never burn past people with speed, he will never physically bully people like Bron, he will never be a tall freakish athlete like Durant and Greek freak.
BUT, it is possible he could be a huge star by being an absolutely great shooter like Steph, but we'll see. He would need to win a title and be a finals MVP just to begin that kind of journey, so it's a ways off.

But anyone thinking he will be some physically dominant force should explain what they are seeing in him that makes them believe that. I don't see it.

He may become a big time star because of all around play and centered on being a Steph level shooter, but he'll need to get us to a finals as THE guy first before he even begins to be Steph level in the minds of the NBA national fans.

Jeez, I would be very happy if he is simply an all star for 10 seasons and helps the team win a couple titles. Who wouldn't be thrilled with that? It's all about winning titles, I want our team as a whole to be champs again. If we get that and Cade scores 20 per game, 6 assists, 6 rebounds, and a block with a couple steal per game and the Pistons hoist a couple trophies with him I will be thrilled with his career.
The part about the "physically bully people like LeBron" is not entirely correct.

LeBron when he hit the NBA, was around 6'7, 230lbs. Cade is around 6'7, 220lbs. If he plays "around positions" (pg,sg,sf, and when he gets older, PF, like Lebron) he could absolutely bully players. He is going to put on weight, as he trains in the NBA.

He has that type of game where he does everything, and has the size, amd weight to push people around. He is in-between LeBron and Doncic in terms of speed, but has court vision, amd playmaking skills like both. What he does have is a much better shot coming into the league then either.

This kid has the physical gifts, talent gifts, and maturity to really be something special. If he puts it all together is another thing, but I specifically disagree with the bully part for sure. Hell, he did it twice in summer league, pushing a player out of the way to get to the rim.
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Post#36 » by Pistonrings » Tue Oct 5, 2021 8:28 pm

This draft site said he was 6-8 240 with very little body fat.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/lebron-james/

He was far more explosive than Cade is from my memory. I have seen nothing from Cade as far as power and explosion that I recall from Bron in his rookie year. When I saw Bron playing his rookie year the guy looked like a fast freight train barrelling down the lane. Sorry, but I don't believe Cade will ever be physically as gifted as Bron.

He should be a much better shooter. I see his game far closer to Durant, but not as lengthy. If he becomes a real superstar, most of that will be because of great and clutch shooting, and good overall play. Now, if he puts on 30 pounds of our muscle then we would see him punishing people, though we still wouldn't see him with the same explosion as Bron had.

Also, looks to me like Weaver is trying to build using the Detroit team first philosophy, meaning no one player will be the single star while the rest of the team is one more star and a lot of filler. He seems to be trying to build the 04 team way and not the superstar way.

So my money is on the bet that he will be an all star player and have a nice long career and will hoist a couple trophies.

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