Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[76ciology]

When you’re paid 9 digits, you’re supposed to handle everything professionally like it’s a business. Because you’re being paid that much to leave your feelings on the sidelines.

That's true, and a caveat to that is working to meet the expectations laid out in your contract. I didn't like how things worked out after the Hawks series one bit, but it seems like the "That's life" narrative and "you have to fulfill your obligations as a functioning adult when it comes to your contract" seems to apply to everyone except Ben. It's nauseating because it was handled so poorly, but giving a player, or a person like Ben EXCUSES to NOT carry out his contractual obligation that HE SIGNED is setting up a horrible precedent for future athletes.

I dont know man. But as soon as Larry Sander run away with his contract with the Bucks, the league should have imposed a ban for actions like that. That is despite what ever mental illnesses you’ll reason with.

I agree, these kind of situations is setting up as a horrible precedent for athletes.

Once abused by many, it will destroy the league.

[76ciology]

I feel like the longer you hold unto your core the higher risk you’re going to lose it and the longer you try to win with your core the lower your chance to win with it in the future.

This is because of the player empowerment, player contract situation and teams going for “win now” moves left and right. At some point you’re forced to trade everything and the kitchen sink for a 33 year old player to win the championship. And your chances to win a championship is parallel to his decline towards oblivion. And as your chance decreases, the likelihood your franchise player is going to be lured by another “win now” team increases.

The way to counter this is by taking “breathers”, similar to what the Raps and GSW did in the last two seasons. Then go uptrend again from there. Then at some point go into win now mode again. Then totally rebuild.

There are definitely exceptions (i.e you have an ironman GOAT player like Duncan or LeBron) but I find this to be applicable in most cases.

[Jhawk03]

I feel like the longer you hold unto your core the higher risk you’re going to lose it and the longer you try to win with your core the lower your chance to win with it in the future.

This is because of the player empowerment, player contract situation and teams going for “win now” moves left and right. At some point you’re forced to trade everything and the kitchen sink for a 33 year old player to win the championship. And your chances to win a championship is parallel to his decline towards oblivion. And as your chance decreases, the likelihood your franchise player is going to be lured by another “win now” team increases.

The way to counter this is by taking “breathers”, similar to what the Raps and GSW did in the last two seasons. Then go uptrend again from there. Then at some point go into win now mode again. Then totally rebuild.

There are definitely exceptions (i.e you have an ironman GOAT player like Duncan or LeBron) but I find this to be applicable in most cases.

Remind me again what the Lowry trade offer was if you don't mind

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Lmao. Yeah, very reasonable.

That's beautiful, poetic even, I'm at peace now so props to you sir.

[76ciology]

I feel like the longer you hold unto your core the higher risk you’re going to lose it and the longer you try to win with your core the lower your chance to win with it in the future.

This is because of the player empowerment, player contract situation and teams going for “win now” moves left and right. At some point you’re forced to trade everything and the kitchen sink for a 33 year old player to win the championship. And your chances to win a championship is parallel to his decline towards oblivion. And as your chance decreases, the likelihood your franchise player is going to be lured by another “win now” team increases.

The way to counter this is by taking “breathers”, similar to what the Raps and GSW did in the last two seasons. Then go uptrend again from there. Then at some point go into win now mode again. Then totally rebuild.

There are definitely exceptions (i.e you have an ironman GOAT player like Duncan or LeBron) but I find this to be applicable in most cases.

Read on Twitter

Lmao. Yeah, very reasonable.

That's beautiful, poetic even, I'm at peace now so props to you sir.

Yeah. But im talking more about Harden. Because Lowry isnt THAT guy who can make u win it.

If Lowry can bring us a championship, we should have done that deal no questions asked.

[Jhawk03]

I feel like the longer you hold unto your core the higher risk you’re going to lose it and the longer you try to win with your core the lower your chance to win with it in the future.

This is because of the player empowerment, player contract situation and teams going for “win now” moves left and right. At some point you’re forced to trade everything and the kitchen sink for a 33 year old player to win the championship. And your chances to win a championship is parallel to his decline towards oblivion. And as your chance decreases, the likelihood your franchise player is going to be lured by another “win now” team increases.

The way to counter this is by taking “breathers”, similar to what the Raps and GSW did in the last two seasons. Then go uptrend again from there. Then at some point go into win now mode again. Then totally rebuild.

There are definitely exceptions (i.e you have an ironman GOAT player like Duncan or LeBron) but I find this to be applicable in most cases.

Lmao. Yeah, very reasonable.

That's beautiful, poetic even, I'm at peace now so props to you sir.

Yeah. But im talking more about Harden. Because Lowry isnt THAT guy who can make u win it.

If Lowry can bring us a championship, we should have done that deal no questions asked.

Yeah I figured that, I just wanted to laugh one more time while still dreaming of Ben going back to work to prove to himself and everyone else wrong before finally giving up on all this crap

[Tomjas]

Relative to the team, Ben was not run out of town.
- the team has to build around it’s best player
Relative to Ben, he was run out of town
- the team didnt build around Ben as a special talent not as an athletic Kyle Anderson

Overall, the situation run Ben out. Ben never was a good compliment for Biid for Ben has to play on a certain style and structure that isn’t necessarily fitted for Biid.

I Think that is fair comment.

Overall I get everyone’s sentiment. I just find that how Ben handled it was wrong.

He could have just said that he feels his talent wont be maxed out with the Sixers because he thinks he can be much better than who he is on other team where the structure is different. Then he could post this vids of him making these step back and fade away as a way of telling that to everyone.

Then he would just play through it while making trade demands on the side. Like an amicable divorce. And quite frankly, by being PROFESSIONAL than some spoiled egomaniac overpaid millionaire

Sorry but you’re looking at this entirely incorrectly

I was a professional for a heartbeat plus know many former & current pros

The only 2 things they’re interested in are success and getting paid

Being a “model professional” or a “good teammate” is so far down the list of their priorities as to be irrelevant

Ben knows he’s being traded so there’s zero chance of success with the Sixers so he doesn’t want to play

Morey knows this and that’s why he’s being fined as that’s the only other motivation to get him back & pump his trade value

If you think that they are doing this to encourage Ben to stay long term then you’re dreaming

That being said, I seriously question Ben & the people around him

If he was my son, I would physically drag him to Camden to collect his money

As it stands, he’s hosed 500k up against the wall for nothing

He is a professional and professionals get paid

His dad was a professional and I can’t understand why he’s allowing this to occur

[Jhawk03]

I Think that is fair comment.

Overall I get everyone’s sentiment. I just find that how Ben handled it was wrong.

He could have just said that he feels his talent wont be maxed out with the Sixers because he thinks he can be much better than who he is on other team where the structure is different. Then he could post this vids of him making these step back and fade away as a way of telling that to everyone.

Then he would just play through it while making trade demands on the side. Like an amicable divorce. And quite frankly, by being PROFESSIONAL than some spoiled egomaniac overpaid millionaire

Sorry but you’re looking at this entirely incorrectly

I was a professional for a heartbeat plus know many former & current pros

The only 2 things they’re interested in are success and getting paid

Being a “model professional” or a “good teammate” is so far down the list of their priorities as to be irrelevant

Ben knows he’s being traded so there’s zero chance of success with the Sixers so he doesn’t want to play

Morey knows this and that’s why he’s being fined as that’s the only other motivation to get him back & pump his trade value

You think they are doing this in Ben’s interest?

That being said, I seriously question Ben & the people around him

If he was my son, I would physically drag him to Camden to collect his money

As it stands, he’s hosed 500k up against the wall for nothing

He is a professional and professionals get paid

His dad was a professional and I can’t understand why he’s allowing this to occur

I'm confused by this, and I swear i won't post anymore after pointing this out

You seem to understand how destructive it is for Ben NOT to show up and EARN his money to a point where if he was your own son you'd drag him to Camden, but in the same breath, BECAUSE he knows he's being traded with no chance of success, he has an excuse to not do so....

I swear the mental gymnastics surrounding this entire saga and Ben's behavior, there needs to be a case study done, but I quit

[Tomjas]

Overall I get everyone’s sentiment. I just find that how Ben handled it was wrong.

He could have just said that he feels his talent wont be maxed out with the Sixers because he thinks he can be much better than who he is on other team where the structure is different. Then he could post this vids of him making these step back and fade away as a way of telling that to everyone.

Then he would just play through it while making trade demands on the side. Like an amicable divorce. And quite frankly, by being PROFESSIONAL than some spoiled egomaniac overpaid millionaire

Sorry but you’re looking at this entirely incorrectly

I was a professional for a heartbeat plus know many former & current pros

The only 2 things they’re interested in are success and getting paid

Being a “model professional” or a “good teammate” is so far down the list of their priorities as to be irrelevant

Ben knows he’s being traded so there’s zero chance of success with the Sixers so he doesn’t want to play

Morey knows this and that’s why he’s being fined as that’s the only other motivation to get him back & pump his trade value

You think they are doing this in Ben’s interest?

That being said, I seriously question Ben & the people around him

If he was my son, I would physically drag him to Camden to collect his money

As it stands, he’s hosed 500k up against the wall for nothing

He is a professional and professionals get paid

His dad was a professional and I can’t understand why he’s allowing this to occur

I'm confused by this, and I swear i won't post anymore after pointing this out

You seem to understand how destructive it is for Ben NOT to show up and EARN his money to a point where if he was your own son you'd drag him to Camden, but in the same breath, BECAUSE he knows he's being traded with no chance of success, he has an excuse to not do so....

I swear the mental gymnastics surrounding this entire saga and Ben's behavior, there needs to be a case study done, but I quit

It’s pretty simple

Ben knows that he is going to be traded so his view is why bother turning up for a few weeks

However, he now needs to in order to get paid

[Jhawk03]

Sorry but you’re looking at this entirely incorrectly

I was a professional for a heartbeat plus know many former & current pros

The only 2 things they’re interested in are success and getting paid

Being a “model professional” or a “good teammate” is so far down the list of their priorities as to be irrelevant

Ben knows he’s being traded so there’s zero chance of success with the Sixers so he doesn’t want to play

Morey knows this and that’s why he’s being fined as that’s the only other motivation to get him back & pump his trade value

You think they are doing this in Ben’s interest?

That being said, I seriously question Ben & the people around him

If he was my son, I would physically drag him to Camden to collect his money

As it stands, he’s hosed 500k up against the wall for nothing

He is a professional and professionals get paid

His dad was a professional and I can’t understand why he’s allowing this to occur

I'm confused by this, and I swear i won't post anymore after pointing this out

You seem to understand how destructive it is for Ben NOT to show up and EARN his money to a point where if he was your own son you'd drag him to Camden, but in the same breath, BECAUSE he knows he's being traded with no chance of success, he has an excuse to not do so....

I swear the mental gymnastics surrounding this entire saga and Ben's behavior, there needs to be a case study done, but I quit

It’s pretty simple

Ben knows that he is going to be traded so his view is why bother turning up for a few weeks

However, he now needs to in order to get paid

Well I sure hope he'll eventually suck it up and get back to work on the court. Because with his talent, that's where his bread is buttered.

[Tomjas]

I'm confused by this, and I swear i won't post anymore after pointing this out

You seem to understand how destructive it is for Ben NOT to show up and EARN his money to a point where if he was your own son you'd drag him to Camden, but in the same breath, BECAUSE he knows he's being traded with no chance of success, he has an excuse to not do so....

I swear the mental gymnastics surrounding this entire saga and Ben's behavior, there needs to be a case study done, but I quit

It’s pretty simple

Ben knows that he is going to be traded so his view is why bother turning up for a few weeks

However, he now needs to in order to get paid

Well I sure hope he'll eventually suck it up and get back to work on the court. Because with his talent, that's where his bread is buttered.

He will but somewhere else

[DCasey91]

Just quickly Primo looks good.

White, Primo, Vassell and a 1st pick would be a decent haul for us imo.

[76ciology]

I Think that is fair comment.

Overall I get everyone’s sentiment. I just find that how Ben handled it was wrong.

He could have just said that he feels his talent wont be maxed out with the Sixers because he thinks he can be much better than who he is on other team where the structure is different. Then he could post this vids of him making these step back and fade away as a way of telling that to everyone.

Then he would just play through it while making trade demands on the side. Like an amicable divorce. And quite frankly, by being PROFESSIONAL than some spoiled egomaniac overpaid millionaire

Sorry but you’re looking at this entirely incorrectly

I was a professional for a heartbeat plus know many former & current pros

The only 2 things they’re interested in are success and getting paid

Being a “model professional” or a “good teammate” is so far down the list of their priorities as to be irrelevant

Ben knows he’s being traded so there’s zero chance of success with the Sixers so he doesn’t want to play

Morey knows this and that’s why he’s being fined as that’s the only other motivation to get him back & pump his trade value

If you think that they are doing this to encourage Ben to stay long term then you’re dreaming

That being said, I seriously question Ben & the people around him

If he was my son, I would physically drag him to Camden to collect his money

As it stands, he’s hosed 500k up against the wall for nothing

He is a professional and professionals get paid

His dad was a professional and I can’t understand why he’s allowing this to occur

But you signed a “mutually agreed” contract so you can’t look at things at single sidedly. So it’s being professional to deliver on your contract.

Once you signed a contract, a team then has to invest on the other things relative to the consideration that they will have you to fulfill your obligation. Imagine how unfair it was for the team that we have to overpay Al Horford just to satisfy Ben, then have to give up a 2025 1st round pick just to get rid of Al.

Personally, I suffered from the same thing in my career. Im not an athlete but im one of the best in what I do in my industry in my country. Early on, when i get paid my performance deteriorates. Yup, like Ben the fast life is really blinding for a kid who never had those fancy things before. Then its when on the long run (i.e. hard times) that you’ll realize how important it is to deliver on your contract.

Just imagine how many teams would hesitate paying ben $40M per year because of this action of his.

If not Ben, then imagine how a team would hesitate to overpay for a Klutch managed player.

[76ciology]

Like we here telling ourselves how stupid Ben was for wasting money and this opportunity.

But if you have Ben money, he’ll be telling himself how he’s underpaid and would have been living a better life in a better situation. For instance, he could just put all his money on Bitcoin or some hedge fund and grow his money while playing COD.

[Tomjas]

Overall I get everyone’s sentiment. I just find that how Ben handled it was wrong.

He could have just said that he feels his talent wont be maxed out with the Sixers because he thinks he can be much better than who he is on other team where the structure is different. Then he could post this vids of him making these step back and fade away as a way of telling that to everyone.

Then he would just play through it while making trade demands on the side. Like an amicable divorce. And quite frankly, by being PROFESSIONAL than some spoiled egomaniac overpaid millionaire

Sorry but you’re looking at this entirely incorrectly

I was a professional for a heartbeat plus know many former & current pros

The only 2 things they’re interested in are success and getting paid

Being a “model professional” or a “good teammate” is so far down the list of their priorities as to be irrelevant

Ben knows he’s being traded so there’s zero chance of success with the Sixers so he doesn’t want to play

Morey knows this and that’s why he’s being fined as that’s the only other motivation to get him back & pump his trade value

If you think that they are doing this to encourage Ben to stay long term then you’re dreaming

That being said, I seriously question Ben & the people around him

If he was my son, I would physically drag him to Camden to collect his money

As it stands, he’s hosed 500k up against the wall for nothing

He is a professional and professionals get paid

His dad was a professional and I can’t understand why he’s allowing this to occur

But you signed a “mutually agreed” contract so you can’t look at things at single sidedly. So it’s being professional to deliver on your contract.

Once you signed a contract, a team then has to invest on the other things relative to the consideration that they will have you to fulfill your obligation. Imagine how unfair it was for the team that we have to overpay Al Horford just to satisfy Ben, then have to give up a 2025 1st round pick just to get rid of Al.

That’s not how it works

Generally pros have to be incredibly selfish just to make it so the implications for the team are the least of their concerns

It’s a brutal business

[phillynative]

How much does Faze pay him??

[Tomjas]

Look at the turnover on LeBron teams

He doesn’t care about feelings or the future of his franchise or how much has been invested in players development

[76ciology]

Sorry but you’re looking at this entirely incorrectly

I was a professional for a heartbeat plus know many former & current pros

The only 2 things they’re interested in are success and getting paid

Being a “model professional” or a “good teammate” is so far down the list of their priorities as to be irrelevant

Ben knows he’s being traded so there’s zero chance of success with the Sixers so he doesn’t want to play

Morey knows this and that’s why he’s being fined as that’s the only other motivation to get him back & pump his trade value

If you think that they are doing this to encourage Ben to stay long term then you’re dreaming

That being said, I seriously question Ben & the people around him

If he was my son, I would physically drag him to Camden to collect his money

As it stands, he’s hosed 500k up against the wall for nothing

He is a professional and professionals get paid

His dad was a professional and I can’t understand why he’s allowing this to occur

But you signed a “mutually agreed” contract so you can’t look at things at single sidedly. So it’s being professional to deliver on your contract.

Once you signed a contract, a team then has to invest on the other things relative to the consideration that they will have you to fulfill your obligation. Imagine how unfair it was for the team that we have to overpay Al Horford just to satisfy Ben, then have to give up a 2025 1st round pick just to get rid of Al.

That’s not how it works

Generally pros have to be incredibly selfish just to make it so the implications for the team are the least of their concerns

It’s a brutal business

Yup. I actually understand what you mean

[76ciology]

With that said.. can someone tell Maxey to be more selfish and jack up 20 shots a game?

[Simmons25]

I'm shocked at the level of support he still has among Aussie NBA fans on this site - he's dogged the national team multiple times over the years. I used to be a supporter of his but I think he's burned one too many bridges.

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I personally can't stand Ben and I think its some awesome karma he is now getting back. But I can still sit in awe at how delusional Philly and the rest of the fans have become. I can see a character assassination when I see it.

I hate the way Philly fans turned on him though and made this 100% his fault when coaching was as much to blame.
I hate that Philly fans think its ok to boo players... and I don't just mean Simmons but guys in the past like RoCo. Philly people seem to have some sort of misplaced pride in this, which I will never ever get.
I hate that Embiid is flat out lying about Simmons being the reason they traded Butler and that Horford was brought in to help Ben (Like seriously WTF).
I hate Doc Rivers. He is an overrated coach who cares more about politics than trying to figure out why his teams choke every year. I hate that he flat out lied about being misconstrued in his initial comments about Simmons after the game.
I hate that Philly fans who have been wanting him to be traded for 4 months, now suddenly are upset that he isn't coming back. Hypocrites.
I hate that Philly fans talk about what a bum he is but demand all star talent in return... and the complain when they can't get a trade for him.

Ben doesn't have my support at all... but Morey, Embiid, Rivers and their fans have acted like jackasses in this. I certainly won't be supporting Ben wherever he goes but I won't be supporting Philly either anymore.

And this is why stans will never be fans. You support the team or you don't. You're either a Philly fan or you aren't. Please leave now.

Nah... I am here to well and truly watch this clusterf#*k of an organisation go down the tubes under Rivers and Morey pretending a 51 game a year Embiid will limp them into a championship.

[syntax]

Overall I get everyone’s sentiment. I just find that how Ben handled it was wrong.

He could have just said that he feels his talent wont be maxed out with the Sixers because he thinks he can be much better than who he is on other team where the structure is different. Then he could post this vids of him making these step back and fade away as a way of telling that to everyone.

Then he would just play through it while making trade demands on the side. Like an amicable divorce. And quite frankly, by being PROFESSIONAL than some spoiled egomaniac overpaid millionaire

Sorry but you’re looking at this entirely incorrectly

I was a professional for a heartbeat plus know many former & current pros

The only 2 things they’re interested in are success and getting paid

Being a “model professional” or a “good teammate” is so far down the list of their priorities as to be irrelevant

Ben knows he’s being traded so there’s zero chance of success with the Sixers so he doesn’t want to play

Morey knows this and that’s why he’s being fined as that’s the only other motivation to get him back & pump his trade value

If you think that they are doing this to encourage Ben to stay long term then you’re dreaming

That being said, I seriously question Ben & the people around him

If he was my son, I would physically drag him to Camden to collect his money

As it stands, he’s hosed 500k up against the wall for nothing

He is a professional and professionals get paid

His dad was a professional and I can’t understand why he’s allowing this to occur

But you signed a “mutually agreed” contract so you can’t look at things at single sidedly. So it’s being professional to deliver on your contract.

Once you signed a contract, a team then has to invest on the other things relative to the consideration that they will have you to fulfill your obligation. Imagine how unfair it was for the team that we have to overpay Al Horford just to satisfy Ben, then have to give up a 2025 1st round pick just to get rid of Al.

Personally, I suffered from the same thing in my career. Im not an athlete but im one of the best in what I do in my industry in my country. Early on, when i get paid my performance deteriorates. Yup, like Ben the fast life is really blinding for a kid who never had those fancy things before. Then its when on the long run (i.e. hard times) that you’ll realize how important it is to deliver on your contract.

Just imagine how many teams would hesitate paying ben $40M per year because of this action of his.

If not Ben, then imagine how a team would hesitate to overpay for a Klutch managed player.

Overpay Horford to satisfy Ben

Please never draw parallels to yourself and a top NBA player again on GUARENTEED money. They don't have to "deliver" on their contract. They can play like ass and still get paid their guarenteed money.

Most self indulgent and misleeding post ive seen.