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[jbk1234]

well prime Lebron is never getting traded and not remotely that cheaply if he was so not really sure the point of that comment. prime Lebron's value is infinite.

There's nothing cheap about a lottery team trading 5 unprotected 1sts. The only GM of a non-playoff team to even entertain a trade like that was Billy King.

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[gambitx777]

That's the question ain't it lol how bad do the trades get so the 76ers don't loose 40 games this year lol how much of his own blood is DM willing to bleed !

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[gambitx777]

As much as I dislike Ben there are transmit would make sense to go in hard for him. OKC, the Pistons, the King's, the Pacers, Mini.

For OKC and the Pistons the could use a combinations of cap room vet contracts and picks to get a third team involved and it would make sense. They need a corner stone. Yes they have SGA and cade respectively but that's not enough Ben could be built around on both teams.

The kings and the Pistons. Need to do something they have languished so long. Taking a chance on Ben is not out of the card. You could put the wolves here too.

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[DroseReturnChi]

Is there a Detroit deal to be made? Cade is a no, and Hayes doesn't help the Sixers. Is anything around Grant and Olynyk close?

i think simmons value is around cade but pistons is unreasonably high on him not that morey cares.
i think detroit is the only team morey will take non star package bc grant is kind of a star like him better than CJ.
Add hayes, stewart, bey who are all cost controlled and good for win now too. 4 for 1 might feel unfair but detroit needs to consolidate talent like cavs, kings not keep bunch of good role players thats how you end up lottery every yr.

[basketballwacko2]

It looks like Lamb is included in what Toronto is getting. So we shave about $6.6 mil actually.

I didn't notice that but it's still terrible for Indiana. Sabonis>Simmons.

Yeah sorry, I forgot to add it in the IND section that they were moving Lamb.

I think objective rankings have Simmons a little above Sabonis but practically equal. Contract wise Sabonis is better but not fit-wise.
Do you like the general direction of the trade?

Would an FRP to Indy help facilitate the deal? Or an upgrade of another player?

No a pick won't help, I've said in other posts that I don't trust Simmons after this stunt and hold out. I don't want him at all. I won't hate on the guy if he is acquired but I prefer to be left out of it. Sabonis is a better rebounder, nearly as good passer, better shooter and his contract is better. Simmons is paid over $30 million a year going all the way to $38 million in 2024. I don't see him putting the Pacers in the finals, I'd rather keep my guys and take my chances for now.

[basketballwacko2]

Do a follow up trade. What they need to do is extract as much value as they can from a trade. I'm not sure this trade would be it, but I do think it'd be a competitive offer.

Morey wants a “star” or draft capital to trade for one

This doesn’t achieve either of those goals

So far nothing has. Grant, McCollum, White, Brogdon - they are all players of a particular caliber and it's not what Morey seems to want, but it is who is possibly available.

So Morey wants a "star" player for Ben. Fact is Ben is not a star! He's treated like one and paid like one but the guy can't shoot. I see him as a defensive specialist, good passer and rebounder. The lack of shooting range and low free throw percentage takes him down a notch. Brogdon is a better all around player as far as I'm concerned and I don't think a 1 for 1 is something that would benefit Indiana. Brogdon is not a hold out, he's on a better contract and he's a team leader. Ben is acting like a petulant child, he's set to make $31 million and he butt hurt and wants traded.

[Tomjas]

Morey wants a “star” or draft capital to trade for one

This doesn’t achieve either of those goals

So far nothing has. Grant, McCollum, White, Brogdon - they are all players of a particular caliber and it's not what Morey seems to want, but it is who is possibly available.

So Morey wants a "star" player for Ben. Fact is Ben is not a star! He's treated like one and paid like one but the guy can't shoot. I see him as a defensive specialist, good passer and rebounder. The lack of shooting range and low free throw percentage takes him down a notch. Brogdon is a better all around player as far as I'm concerned and I don't think a 1 for 1 is something that would benefit Indiana. Brogdon is not a hold out, he's on a better contract and he's a team leader. Ben is acting like a petulant child, he's set to make $31 million and he butt hurt and wants traded.

Tell it to Morey but Simmons is levels above Brogdon

[basketballwacko2]

So far nothing has. Grant, McCollum, White, Brogdon - they are all players of a particular caliber and it's not what Morey seems to want, but it is who is possibly available.

So Morey wants a "star" player for Ben. Fact is Ben is not a star! He's treated like one and paid like one but the guy can't shoot. I see him as a defensive specialist, good passer and rebounder. The lack of shooting range and low free throw percentage takes him down a notch. Brogdon is a better all around player as far as I'm concerned and I don't think a 1 for 1 is something that would benefit Indiana. Brogdon is not a hold out, he's on a better contract and he's a team leader. Ben is acting like a petulant child, he's set to make $31 million and he butt hurt and wants traded.

Tell it to Morey but Simmons is levels above Brogdon

I'm not running simmons down and wanting him on my team I prefer to make no offer for him. You're entitled to you opinion on the players. But all things considered Simmons has not shown that he deserves to be paid $31 million or have the status of tier 1 players. Brogdon has had injury issues and missed 20 games or so each year which diminishes his value but he's paid 2/3 what Simmons is and he doesn't have an attitude problem.

[zimpy27]

I didn't notice that but it's still terrible for Indiana. Sabonis>Simmons.

Yeah sorry, I forgot to add it in the IND section that they were moving Lamb.

I think objective rankings have Simmons a little above Sabonis but practically equal. Contract wise Sabonis is better but not fit-wise.
Do you like the general direction of the trade?

Would an FRP to Indy help facilitate the deal? Or an upgrade of another player?

No a pick won't help, I've said in other posts that I don't trust Simmons after this stunt and hold out. I don't want him at all. I won't hate on the guy if he is acquired but I prefer to be left out of it. Sabonis is a better rebounder, nearly as good passer, better shooter and his contract is better. Simmons is paid over $30 million a year going all the way to $38 million in 2024. I don't see him putting the Pacers in the finals, I'd rather keep my guys and take my chances for now.

Oh ok but Pacers are listed as a team pursuing Simmons. So the basis of the trade I proposed is on the premise of Pacers wanting Ben.

[basketballwacko2]

Yeah sorry, I forgot to add it in the IND section that they were moving Lamb.

I think objective rankings have Simmons a little above Sabonis but practically equal. Contract wise Sabonis is better but not fit-wise.
Do you like the general direction of the trade?

Would an FRP to Indy help facilitate the deal? Or an upgrade of another player?

No a pick won't help, I've said in other posts that I don't trust Simmons after this stunt and hold out. I don't want him at all. I won't hate on the guy if he is acquired but I prefer to be left out of it. Sabonis is a better rebounder, nearly as good passer, better shooter and his contract is better. Simmons is paid over $30 million a year going all the way to $38 million in 2024. I don't see him putting the Pacers in the finals, I'd rather keep my guys and take my chances for now.

Oh ok but Pacers are listed as a team pursuing Simmons. So the basis of the trade I proposed is on the premise of Pacers wanting Ben.

That's fine suggest away but, I'm pretty sure the only way Indiana will do anything here is if it's a short sale situation on Simmons. Someone said that it is like when the pacers got Warren from the suns. Now Philly is not gonna pay to move him like the Suns did with Warren, but I don't think the Pacers will pay a premium for Simmons either. Philly has no leverage if Ben won't report, they can with hold his pay and at some point there will be some kind of arbitration from the NBA.

My offer would be LeVert, Warren and Lamb with a top 4 protected #1 in 2022. That's not a great offer but that's all I'd be inclined to do. Philly should be able to do better and I wish them luck. We Pacer fans went through this with Paul George and it was miserable.

[Lovetron Joe]

No a pick won't help, I've said in other posts that I don't trust Simmons after this stunt and hold out. I don't want him at all. I won't hate on the guy if he is acquired but I prefer to be left out of it. Sabonis is a better rebounder, nearly as good passer, better shooter and his contract is better. Simmons is paid over $30 million a year going all the way to $38 million in 2024. I don't see him putting the Pacers in the finals, I'd rather keep my guys and take my chances for now.

Oh ok but Pacers are listed as a team pursuing Simmons. So the basis of the trade I proposed is on the premise of Pacers wanting Ben.

That's fine suggest away but, I'm pretty sure the only way Indiana will do anything here is if it's a short sale situation on Simmons. Someone said that it is like when the pacers got Warren from the suns. Now Philly is not gonna pay to move him like the Suns did with Warren, but I don't think the Pacers will pay a premium for Simmons either. Philly has no leverage if Ben won't report, they can with hold his pay and at some point there will be some kind of arbitration from the NBA.

My offer would be LeVert, Warren and Lamb with a top 4 protected #1 in 2022. That's not a great offer but that's all I'd be inclined to do. Philly should be able to do better and I wish them luck. We Pacer fans went through this with Paul George and it was miserable.

Actually, Philly can withhold his pay and he will lose the money. $360,000.00 per game which started last night. That is plenty of leverage.

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[Tomjas]

I like Ben but this is idiocy

Turn up, collect your money & move on

Embiid & Harris didn’t play today and it’s cost him 500k to do the same

[Celts17Pride]

I like Ben but this is idiocy

Turn up, collect your money & move on

Embiid & Harris didn’t play today and it’s cost him 500k to do the same

Not sure why Sixer fans want Simmons to show up. I would think it would be better for the team to keep the Simmons situation away from the other players. If Simmons did show up he would probably trip over the foul line and be out a month with an "injury" anyways. Just don't get it.

[jbk1234]

I like Ben but this is idiocy

Turn up, collect your money & move on

Embiid & Harris didn’t play today and it’s cost him 500k to do the same

Not sure why Sixer fans want Simmons to show up. I would think it would be better for the team to keep the Simmons situation away from the other players. If Simmons did show up he would probably trip over the foul line and be out a month with an "injury" anyways. Just don't get it.

I don't know that he'd fake an injury, but there really are a lot more ways for it to go badly than for it to go well. Even if that wasn't the case when Simmons made his request (if a guy is telling you he's mentally exhausted and needs a fresh start somewhere else, you need to hear that), it is certainly the case now.

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[Godaddycurse]

well prime Lebron is never getting traded and not remotely that cheaply if he was so not really sure the point of that comment. prime Lebron's value is infinite.

There's nothing cheap about a lottery team trading 5 unprotected 1sts. The only GM of a non-playoff team to even entertain a trade like that was Billy King.

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I think wolves fans have been proposing similar pick package with better fillers than love

[jbk1234]

well prime Lebron is never getting traded and not remotely that cheaply if he was so not really sure the point of that comment. prime Lebron's value is infinite.

There's nothing cheap about a lottery team trading 5 unprotected 1sts. The only GM of a non-playoff team to even entertain a trade like that was Billy King.

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I think wolves fans have been proposing similar pick package with better fillers than love

As Simmons fits nicely with KAT, the Wolves should be more motivated than Cleveland. That said, I haven't seen a Wolves fan propose 5 unprotected firsts and I'd be really surprised if the Wolves went there.

[Wolveswin]

To Raptors: Sabonis + Curry

To Pacers: Simmons + Barnes

To 76ers: Brogdon + Dragic + 2x 1sts Pacers + 1st from Raptors?

Raptors play Sabonis at C next to Siakam at cost of Barnes.

Pacers get Simmons and a young forward to groom.

76ers get a win-now guards, but rest of league on notice Morey has Dragic 20M expiring + Youth + like 8 1sts for a disgruntled vet when available.

[Ruzious]

So Morey wants a "star" player for Ben. Fact is Ben is not a star! He's treated like one and paid like one but the guy can't shoot. I see him as a defensive specialist, good passer and rebounder. The lack of shooting range and low free throw percentage takes him down a notch. Brogdon is a better all around player as far as I'm concerned and I don't think a 1 for 1 is something that would benefit Indiana. Brogdon is not a hold out, he's on a better contract and he's a team leader. Ben is acting like a petulant child, he's set to make $31 million and he butt hurt and wants traded.

Tell it to Morey but Simmons is levels above Brogdon

I'm not running simmons down and wanting him on my team I prefer to make no offer for him. You're entitled to you opinion on the players. But all things considered Simmons has not shown that he deserves to be paid $31 million or have the status of tier 1 players. Brogdon has had injury issues and missed 20 games or so each year which diminishes his value but he's paid 2/3 what Simmons is and he doesn't have an attitude problem.

I saw probably 5 Indiana games last season, and it seemed to me there was an issue with Brogdon each game - his energy level wasn't there. Makes me wonder if there's a physical issue he's been dealing with and whether it will continue.

[Godaddycurse]

To Raptors: Sabonis + Curry

To Pacers: Simmons + Barnes

To 76ers: Brogdon + Dragic + 2x 1sts Pacers + 1st from Raptors?

Raptors play Sabonis at C next to Siakam at cost of Barnes.

Pacers get Simmons and a young forward to groom.

76ers get a win-now guards, but rest of league on notice Morey has Dragic 20M expiring + Youth + like 8 1sts for a disgruntled vet when available.

i think raptors are too high on barnes (and also not close enough to contention) to deal him for Sabonis. Maybe try GSW for kuminga+, they are probably more interested in a win now trade like this

[GutUNC]

And also, Maxey is better then McConnell current day too.

Current day? Or what you hope Maxey becomes? I get liking the potential of Maxey over McConnell being what he is, and can see justifying value based on that. But looking at what they did last year, in what way is Maxey better, other than being willing and able to score more?
RAPTOR has Maxey at a -2.4. McConnell a +2.3.
WAR Maxey .2, McConnell 4.7
McConnell has a higher PER, higher TS%, higher TRB%, over twice the Ast%, higher Steal% higher VORP, higher WS/48, higher BPM, better ORTG, better DRTG, comparative to overall team DRTG.
Maxey isn't a better shooter. So other than scoring on volume, in what way is he better right now?

Hit them with the facts! They hate that.

Obviously, using year long stats for a player's rookie year isn't going to account for how he progresses over the course of the year. I would much rather have end-of-year Maxey on the floor then TJ this season, but that's an opinion. The trade value between the two is not, as far as I see it - which is really the crux of the discussion anyway.