Training camp 2021

[Crazy-Canuck]

Wiggin's got the shot....right on. Huge risk averted for the moment

Kerr tipped his hand today regarding Kuminga. Roughly quoted "As long as he shows defense, his offense, including ability to pass, has earned him minutes".

I think Kuminga is a key if it's JUST for being uber physical this year.

Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Kuminga, Green ....That's a very physically tough defensive squad. Love to see that.

I think kerr is grooming kuminga to be drays eventual replacement.

[HiRez]

I don't expect to see Steph and Draymond much tonight, if at all, and Wiseman and Klay (and Wiggins?) are still on the shelf, but we should get a good look at Kuminga, Moody, OPJ, Bjelica, Poole, and Bradley. Will be interesting to see if the rooks show any progress from summer league.

[Onus]

I don't expect to see Steph and Draymond much tonight, if at all, and Wiseman and Klay (and Wiggins?) are still on the shelf, but we should get a good look at Kuminga, Moody, OPJ, Bjelica, Poole, and Bradley. Will be interesting to see if the rooks show any progress from summer league.

Can't wait to see Poole, Moody, and Kuminga.

[HiRez]

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[Flash Falcon X]

yeah i dont expect steph and draymond to play much tonight either but at some point in the preseason they should play more minutes just so the new guys and young guys can get acclimated to playing with them. gotta find the balance of making sure the stars aren't pushing too much too early but having them play enough with the new additions to build some cohesion.

[The-Power]

I don't expect to see Steph and Draymond much tonight, if at all, and Wiseman and Klay (and Wiggins?) are still on the shelf

yeah i dont expect steph and draymond to play much tonight

Kerr has already said that he envisions the starters to play around 20 minutes in the first preseason game. A bit less for Green because he arrived late, and Kerr mentioned that Curry sometimes convinces the coaches to play him a couple minutes more. But around 20 minutes is what we can expect. Wiggins is also going to start alongside Steph, Poole, Green and Looney. And everyone who is available will play some minutes.

[TB]

Staff isn't messing around, they want to find their rotations quickly and find out for sure if an Avery Bradley type fits into it. I like their approach. It's a bit oldschool but the rookies will have their chance, and probably shouldn't be in our main rotation to start anyways.

Here is the 10 man rotation i'd guess the staff is comfortable with. And just note that we aren't talking about a 5 for 5 substitution, would ideally always have one of Steph/Poole/Wiggins in there to iso for a bucket as needed.

Steph / Iggy
Poole / Lee
Wiggins / JTA
Dray / Otto
Looney / Bjelica

Then as the season progresses, we are going to have players like Klay, Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody to evaluate and see where they fit. Not to mention some nice emergency players from the g-league if it ends up being Chiozza/Mulder in those 2way spots.

[FNQ]

Staff isn't messing around, they want to find their rotations quickly and find out for sure if an Avery Bradley type fits into it. I like their approach. It's a bit oldschool but the rookies will have their chance, and probably shouldn't be in our main rotation to start anyways.

Here is the 10 man rotation i'd guess the staff is comfortable with. And just note that we aren't talking about a 5 for 5 substitution, would ideally always have one of Steph/Poole/Wiggins in there to iso for a bucket as needed.

Steph / Iggy
Poole / Lee
Wiggins / JTA
Dray / Otto
Looney / Bjelica

Then as the season progresses, we are going to have players like Klay, Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody to evaluate and see where they fit. Not to mention some nice emergency players from the g-league if it ends up being Chiozza/Mulder in those 2way spots.

Pretty much, but I think JTA should be on notice.. his jumper is a mess and with Iguodala back, we dont need another guy who can't shoot off the bench. But I think we have a clear top 9 aside from that. Top 10 when Klay returns. Not top 11 when Wiseman returns, FWIW.

Wiseman, Moody, Kuminga all will have to earn roles, and thats fine. Kuminga should be given one immediately as a 5-10mpg energy guy, probably in the 1st half (opening Q2?).. Moody's role on the team is gonna be difficult to carve out. If Kerr's just going to throw him into the garbage time unit, it really cuts off his legs.

[Onus]

Staff isn't messing around, they want to find their rotations quickly and find out for sure if an Avery Bradley type fits into it. I like their approach. It's a bit oldschool but the rookies will have their chance, and probably shouldn't be in our main rotation to start anyways.

Here is the 10 man rotation i'd guess the staff is comfortable with. And just note that we aren't talking about a 5 for 5 substitution, would ideally always have one of Steph/Poole/Wiggins in there to iso for a bucket as needed.

Steph / Iggy
Poole / Lee
Wiggins / JTA
Dray / Otto
Looney / Bjelica

Then as the season progresses, we are going to have players like Klay, Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody to evaluate and see where they fit. Not to mention some nice emergency players from the g-league if it ends up being Chiozza/Mulder in those 2way spots.

Pretty much, but I think JTA should be on notice.. his jumper is a mess and with Iguodala back, we dont need another guy who can't shoot off the bench. But I think we have a clear top 9 aside from that. Top 10 when Klay returns. Not top 11 when Wiseman returns, FWIW.

Wiseman, Moody, Kuminga all will have to earn roles, and thats fine. Kuminga should be given one immediately as a 5-10mpg energy guy, probably in the 1st half (opening Q2?).. Moody's role on the team is gonna be difficult to carve out. If Kerr's just going to throw him into the garbage time unit, it really cuts off his legs.

Yea I'm not sure JTA is in the 10 man rotation. He only came in to relieve draymond in the 2nd half, but Otto should be the back up 4 and Dala will be the back up 3. So JTA is more likely a break in case of emergency type role as Dala is old as dirt and Otto who knows how long he holds up.

[HiRez]

[Yea I'm not sure JTA is in the 10 man rotation. He only came in to relieve draymond in the 2nd half, but Otto should be the back up 4 and Dala will be the back up 3. So JTA is more likely a break in case of emergency type role as Dala is old as dirt and Otto who knows how long he holds up.

And I'm fine with that, JTA as a starter isn't ideal, is OK as a backup, but he's outstanding as a 2/3 string (as you say "break in case of emergency") guy.

[Outside]

[Yea I'm not sure JTA is in the 10 man rotation. He only came in to relieve draymond in the 2nd half, but Otto should be the back up 4 and Dala will be the back up 3. So JTA is more likely a break in case of emergency type role as Dala is old as dirt and Otto who knows how long he holds up.

And I'm fine with that, JTA as a starter isn't ideal, is OK as a backup, but he's outstanding as a 2/3 string (as you say "break in case of emergency") guy.

Agree. There was no way JTA was going to get the playing time he got last year, but injuries happen, and as long as he stays ready, he can be a great guy to have down the bench.

His shot was off badly against Portland, but I'm not too worried about that. We've seen what he can do. He's not going to score 20, but he's going to give effort, he won't make dumb plays, and he's not going to back down. He went up high and blocked a shot on the break that was called a foul, but it looked clean to me. He can be on my team any time.

[eminence]

No JTA slander. Hustle matters and he's got it in spades, smart player too. Honestly think he's the best forward on the squad (outside of Dray who I'm counting with the bigs).

[FNQ]

No JTA slander. Hustle matters and he's got it in spades, smart player too. Honestly think he's the best forward on the squad (outside of Dray who I'm counting with the bigs).

I really like the guy too, but its a matter of fit, and having 2 guys off the bench who are huge liabilities from the perimeter (and arent Cs) is tough. We dont have a ton of true forwards (SF/PF) but OPJ seems to be much better than him, even if he's a bit hobbled.

JTA just needs to keep shooting in practice, getting his form to be consistent, and see if he can change his results. Because he can do a little bit of everything else.. but if it comes down to him getting minutes or Kuminga/Moody getting minutes, he has to be clearly better than them to get the time, and I dont know that he is right now. At this point I'd rather see Kuminga/OPJ switching between 3/4 than JTA/OPJ, as JTA's skillset on offense is roughly the same as Iguodala, whereas Kuminga's one of a kind on our team.

[eminence]

No JTA slander. Hustle matters and he's got it in spades, smart player too. Honestly think he's the best forward on the squad (outside of Dray who I'm counting with the bigs).

I really like the guy too, but its a matter of fit, and having 2 guys off the bench who are huge liabilities from the perimeter (and arent Cs) is tough. We dont have a ton of true forwards (SF/PF) but OPJ seems to be much better than him, even if he's a bit hobbled.

JTA just needs to keep shooting in practice, getting his form to be consistent, and see if he can change his results. Because he can do a little bit of everything else.. but if it comes down to him getting minutes or Kuminga/Moody getting minutes, he has to be clearly better than them to get the time, and I dont know that he is right now. At this point I'd rather see Kuminga/OPJ switching between 3/4 than JTA/OPJ, as JTA's skillset on offense is roughly the same as Iguodala, whereas Kuminga's one of a kind on our team.

I don't think we watched the same game at all.

Played good defense (best among the wings/forwards), looked like the best ball-mover we've got, and even handled the ball alright in a somewhat limited capacity. The only negative was the shooting (I mean, if you're genuinely concerned he's entirely lost his shot, maybe there's something to be worried about, but I don't think that's a reasonable concern).

[xdrta+]

Kerr trusts JTA in a lot of situations. It may come, but it will be a while before he trusts either rookie in those situations.

[FNQ]

No JTA slander. Hustle matters and he's got it in spades, smart player too. Honestly think he's the best forward on the squad (outside of Dray who I'm counting with the bigs).

I really like the guy too, but its a matter of fit, and having 2 guys off the bench who are huge liabilities from the perimeter (and arent Cs) is tough. We dont have a ton of true forwards (SF/PF) but OPJ seems to be much better than him, even if he's a bit hobbled.

JTA just needs to keep shooting in practice, getting his form to be consistent, and see if he can change his results. Because he can do a little bit of everything else.. but if it comes down to him getting minutes or Kuminga/Moody getting minutes, he has to be clearly better than them to get the time, and I dont know that he is right now. At this point I'd rather see Kuminga/OPJ switching between 3/4 than JTA/OPJ, as JTA's skillset on offense is roughly the same as Iguodala, whereas Kuminga's one of a kind on our team.

I don't think we watched the same game at all.

Played good defense (best among the wings/forwards), looked like the best ball-mover we've got, and even handled the ball alright in a somewhat limited capacity. The only negative was the shooting (I mean, if you're genuinely concerned he's entirely lost his shot, maybe there's something to be worried about, but I don't think that's a reasonable concern).

Clearly we didn't... JTA played the scrambler role instead of Iguodala, meaning he's the one moving all over the court like Wiggins used to. And he's fine at that. He's an ok passer and ok handler. But his shot is, and always was, a mirage. He has erratic form, and when he goes from range he misses left-right more than long-short. That'd be fine for a pull-up guy, but hes exclusively catch and shoot.

You cant play this guy long minutes with Iguodala. OPJ, despite being slower, can dribble, finish, get to the line.. JTA is a perimeter passer who doesn't stop the ball. That's great, but its not unique on this team. He got a lot of assists, but those tend to be randomized in good ball sharing offenses (Bjelica had 6). I get that he's a nice story and easy to root for, but if you think he's better than OPJ right now.. thats way too far. If he supplants Iguodala, great, give him minutes. But if not, you're basically asking Poole, OPJ, and whoever's our C (Bjelica/Wiseman?) to score almost all the points off the bench. Teams will key in on that and dare both him and Iguodala to shoot, and that's bad news for us.

Guy scores 0 in 22 minutes of an uptempo game, wasnt even close on his misses, and I'm being told that he's the best forward on the team besides Dray.. I'm not really worried about what's reasonable in your eyes right now. You've got it bad for this guy..

[Chupchup]

Juan shot 40% from 3 last year and 71% from FT line.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4401416/juan-toscano-anderson

With that being said, yeah the rotation is full...

[wco81]

Wiggins said he's concerned about long-term effects of vaccine including gene modifications.



Fortunately money made his decision, just like it has for many employees whose companies mandated vaccination.

[eminence]

I really like the guy too, but its a matter of fit, and having 2 guys off the bench who are huge liabilities from the perimeter (and arent Cs) is tough. We dont have a ton of true forwards (SF/PF) but OPJ seems to be much better than him, even if he's a bit hobbled.

JTA just needs to keep shooting in practice, getting his form to be consistent, and see if he can change his results. Because he can do a little bit of everything else.. but if it comes down to him getting minutes or Kuminga/Moody getting minutes, he has to be clearly better than them to get the time, and I dont know that he is right now. At this point I'd rather see Kuminga/OPJ switching between 3/4 than JTA/OPJ, as JTA's skillset on offense is roughly the same as Iguodala, whereas Kuminga's one of a kind on our team.

I don't think we watched the same game at all.

Played good defense (best among the wings/forwards), looked like the best ball-mover we've got, and even handled the ball alright in a somewhat limited capacity. The only negative was the shooting (I mean, if you're genuinely concerned he's entirely lost his shot, maybe there's something to be worried about, but I don't think that's a reasonable concern).

Clearly we didn't... JTA played the scrambler role instead of Iguodala, meaning he's the one moving all over the court like Wiggins used to. And he's fine at that. He's an ok passer and ok handler. But his shot is, and always was, a mirage. He has erratic form, and when he goes from range he misses left-right more than long-short. That'd be fine for a pull-up guy, but hes exclusively catch and shoot.

You cant play this guy long minutes with Iguodala. OPJ, despite being slower, can dribble, finish, get to the line.. JTA is a perimeter passer who doesn't stop the ball. That's great, but its not unique on this team. He got a lot of assists, but those tend to be randomized in good ball sharing offenses (Bjelica had 6). I get that he's a nice story and easy to root for, but if you think he's better than OPJ right now.. thats way too far. If he supplants Iguodala, great, give him minutes. But if not, you're basically asking Poole, OPJ, and whoever's our C (Bjelica/Wiseman?) to score almost all the points off the bench. Teams will key in on that and dare both him and Iguodala to shoot, and that's bad news for us.

Guy scores 0 in 22 minutes of an uptempo game, wasnt even close on his misses, and I'm being told that he's the best forward on the team besides Dray.. I'm not really worried about what's reasonable in your eyes right now. You've got it bad for this guy..

Do you care about anything other than shooting/scoring?

[Scoots1994]

Do you care about anything other than shooting/scoring?

Or understand not every player is going to hit their average % in every game?