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[Tomjas]

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PHI Gets: Bradley Beal, Buddy Hield, Davis Bertans, & Kyle Kuzma
PHI Gives: Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons, & Shake Milton
Why for PHI? The 76ers move on from disgruntled Simmons and land a 28 year guard who can be a legitimate 2nd option next to Embiid. Beal's ability to shoot, play on the perimeter, and play off the ball will be a solid complement to Embiid. They also land two of the best volume 3pt shooters in the league in Hield & Bertans to further space the floor. Kuzma gives them another SF/PF who can't (obviously) space the floor as much as Bertans but brings more defense and iso scoring as a change of pace. Curry, Beal, Hield, Green, & Bertans is top shelf spacing for Embiid and would allow him to further dominate.

PG - Beal / Curry / Springer
SG - Hield / Maxey / Joe
SF - Green / Thybulle / Korkmaz
PF - Bertans / Kuzma / Niang / Reed
C - Embiid / Drummond / Bassey

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SAC Gets: Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons, Thomas Bryant, & Shake Milton
SAC Gives: De'Aaron Fox, Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley, & Damian Jones
Why for SAC? With Mitchell & Haliburton already on the roster, losing Fox & Hield isn't as big of a loss as it could be. In return, they upgrade their frontcourt by adding Simmons & Harris. Simmons would have a lot of shooters to work with in Mitchell, Milton, Haliburton, Davis, Barnes, Harris, & Bryant to help maximize his skillset. Bryant's rim protection and shooting potential could be a solid fit next to Simmons long term. Milton also gives them some a solid backup PG to help out with their depth chart. Lastly, they could have an interesting death lineup to close out games in Mitchell-Haliburton-Barnes-Harris-Simmons.

PG - Mitchell / Milton
SG - Haliburton / Davis / Ramsey
SF - Harris / Barnes / Woodard
PF - Simmons / Harkless / Metu
C - Holmes / Bryant / Thompson / Len

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WAS Gets: De'Aaron Fox, Marvin Bagley, & Damian Jones
WAS Gives: Bradley Beal, Davis Bertans, Kyle Kuzma, & Thomas Bryant
Why for WAS? The Wizards clear about $30 mil in salary this season and move off of Bertans & Kuzma's salaries as they head into their rebuild. In exchange for 28 year old Beal, they get 23 year old Fox who has 5 more years on his contract. They also take a chance on Bagley to see if anything is there; otherwise, he acts as an expiring.

PG - Fox / Holiday / Neto
SG - Dinwiddie / Caldwell-Pope
SF - Avdija / Kispert
PF - Hachimura / Bagley / Todd / Gill
C - Gafford / Harrell / Jones

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Ben & Tobias aren’t a good fit

[zimpy27]

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PHI Gets: Bradley Beal, Buddy Hield, Davis Bertans, & Kyle Kuzma
PHI Gives: Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons, & Shake Milton
Why for PHI? The 76ers move on from disgruntled Simmons and land a 28 year guard who can be a legitimate 2nd option next to Embiid. Beal's ability to shoot, play on the perimeter, and play off the ball will be a solid complement to Embiid. They also land two of the best volume 3pt shooters in the league in Hield & Bertans to further space the floor. Kuzma gives them another SF/PF who can't (obviously) space the floor as much as Bertans but brings more defense and iso scoring as a change of pace. Curry, Beal, Hield, Green, & Bertans is top shelf spacing for Embiid and would allow him to further dominate.

PG - Beal / Curry / Springer
SG - Hield / Maxey / Joe
SF - Green / Thybulle / Korkmaz
PF - Bertans / Kuzma / Niang / Reed
C - Embiid / Drummond / Bassey

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SAC Gets: Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons, Thomas Bryant, & Shake Milton
SAC Gives: De'Aaron Fox, Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley, & Damian Jones
Why for SAC? With Mitchell & Haliburton already on the roster, losing Fox & Hield isn't as big of a loss as it could be. In return, they upgrade their frontcourt by adding Simmons & Harris. Simmons would have a lot of shooters to work with in Mitchell, Milton, Haliburton, Davis, Barnes, Harris, & Bryant to help maximize his skillset. Bryant's rim protection and shooting potential could be a solid fit next to Simmons long term. Milton also gives them some a solid backup PG to help out with their depth chart. Lastly, they could have an interesting death lineup to close out games in Mitchell-Haliburton-Barnes-Harris-Simmons.

PG - Mitchell / Milton
SG - Haliburton / Davis / Ramsey
SF - Harris / Barnes / Woodard
PF - Simmons / Harkless / Metu
C - Holmes / Bryant / Thompson / Len

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WAS Gets: De'Aaron Fox, Marvin Bagley, & Damian Jones
WAS Gives: Bradley Beal, Davis Bertans, Kyle Kuzma, & Thomas Bryant
Why for WAS? The Wizards clear about $30 mil in salary this season and move off of Bertans & Kuzma's salaries as they head into their rebuild. In exchange for 28 year old Beal, they get 23 year old Fox who has 5 more years on his contract. They also take a chance on Bagley to see if anything is there; otherwise, he acts as an expiring.

PG - Fox / Holiday / Neto
SG - Dinwiddie / Caldwell-Pope
SF - Avdija / Kispert
PF - Hachimura / Bagley / Todd / Gill
C - Gafford / Harrell / Jones

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Ben & Tobias aren’t a good fit

Yeah I don't get trading them together.. Harris has always played better with Embiid without Simmons. I'd at least show that up and then trade him later in season or next offseason if you want him gone.

[basketballwacko2]

Oh ok but Pacers are listed as a team pursuing Simmons. So the basis of the trade I proposed is on the premise of Pacers wanting Ben.

That's fine suggest away but, I'm pretty sure the only way Indiana will do anything here is if it's a short sale situation on Simmons. Someone said that it is like when the pacers got Warren from the suns. Now Philly is not gonna pay to move him like the Suns did with Warren, but I don't think the Pacers will pay a premium for Simmons either. Philly has no leverage if Ben won't report, they can with hold his pay and at some point there will be some kind of arbitration from the NBA.

My offer would be LeVert, Warren and Lamb with a top 4 protected #1 in 2022. That's not a great offer but that's all I'd be inclined to do. Philly should be able to do better and I wish them luck. We Pacer fans went through this with Paul George and it was miserable.

Actually, Philly can withhold his pay and he will lose the money. $360,000.00 per game which started last night. That is plenty of leverage.

Well sure they have leverage against Ben by withholding his pay, but that doesn't give them any leverage in trade talks with other teams. They have a guy who is willing to lose his pay check because he doesn't want to be there anymore, and he looks like a headcase in the process. Why do I want a guy like this on my team?

[basketballwacko2]

Tell it to Morey but Simmons is levels above Brogdon

I'm not running simmons down and wanting him on my team I prefer to make no offer for him. You're entitled to you opinion on the players. But all things considered Simmons has not shown that he deserves to be paid $31 million or have the status of tier 1 players. Brogdon has had injury issues and missed 20 games or so each year which diminishes his value but he's paid 2/3 what Simmons is and he doesn't have an attitude problem.

I saw probably 5 Indiana games last season, and it seemed to me there was an issue with Brogdon each game - his energy level wasn't there. Makes me wonder if there's a physical issue he's been dealing with and whether it will continue.

21.2 points
5.3 rebounds
5.9 assists
38.8% 3pt shooting
86.4% free throw shooting

Pretty good numbers for a guy with no energy.

[basketballwacko2]

So far nothing has. Grant, McCollum, White, Brogdon - they are all players of a particular caliber and it's not what Morey seems to want, but it is who is possibly available.

So Morey wants a "star" player for Ben. Fact is Ben is not a star! He's treated like one and paid like one but the guy can't shoot. I see him as a defensive specialist, good passer and rebounder. The lack of shooting range and low free throw percentage takes him down a notch. Brogdon is a better all around player as far as I'm concerned and I don't think a 1 for 1 is something that would benefit Indiana. Brogdon is not a hold out, he's on a better contract and he's a team leader. Ben is acting like a petulant child, he's set to make $31 million and he butt hurt and wants traded.

Really?

Brogdon is a better shooter.

Simmons is a better passer, rebounder, athlete and a much better defensive player.

How is Brogdon a better all around player?

Brogdon is not holding out. He's a team leader and great locker room guy. Simmons is a better rebounder sure he's 6 inches taller. Better passer? He has a higher assist average, Brogdon plays with Sabonis who averages 6.7 assists per game. There are other factors that need consideration. Simmons shooting is the factor that drags him down in my view. His FT shooting is reminiscent of Dwight Howard or DeAndre Jordan, no excuse for it! FT shooting is a matter of practice and concentration.

[basketballwacko2]

I saw probably 5 Indiana games last season, and it seemed to me there was an issue with Brogdon each game - his energy level wasn't there. Makes me wonder if there's a physical issue he's been dealing with and whether it will continue.

It was mostly that he was averaging around 37 minutes per game under Bjorkgren for the first 2/3 or so of the season. He and Sabonis were eternally exhausted on the court. Bjorkgren argued it was fine since he ran shorter practices. He also had Covid right before the bubble, so there may have been a bit of a conditioning issue , too.

I like brodgon. He would be a good fit with sixers if they got rid of Tobias Harris and move Simmons to the 4 slot.

But brodgon just can’t play 25 minutes or more. He’s so injury prone. The lower extremity injury history adds up over time. Even though he was an “old” almost 24 year old rookie in 2016. He shouldn’t have this much wear and tear as an almost 29 year old with 5 years of nba seasons under his belt.

He was already limited physically not that athletic entering the league. And now the lower body problems.

I just don’t see brodgon as full time starter these days. He just can’t stay healthy.

I think he can play 30 a game but 37 is a lot for any player, I think he would be better suited at sg rather than point trying to keep up with faster guards every night.

[Ruzious]

I'm not running simmons down and wanting him on my team I prefer to make no offer for him. You're entitled to you opinion on the players. But all things considered Simmons has not shown that he deserves to be paid $31 million or have the status of tier 1 players. Brogdon has had injury issues and missed 20 games or so each year which diminishes his value but he's paid 2/3 what Simmons is and he doesn't have an attitude problem.

I saw probably 5 Indiana games last season, and it seemed to me there was an issue with Brogdon each game - his energy level wasn't there. Makes me wonder if there's a physical issue he's been dealing with and whether it will continue.

21.2 points
5.3 rebounds
5.9 assists
38.8% 3pt shooting
86.4% free throw shooting

Pretty good numbers for a guy with no energy.

Excellent #'s. And no doubt he was one of the better players on a 34-38 team.

[Sportfan73]

It was mostly that he was averaging around 37 minutes per game under Bjorkgren for the first 2/3 or so of the season. He and Sabonis were eternally exhausted on the court. Bjorkgren argued it was fine since he ran shorter practices. He also had Covid right before the bubble, so there may have been a bit of a conditioning issue , too.

I like brodgon. He would be a good fit with sixers if they got rid of Tobias Harris and move Simmons to the 4 slot.

But brodgon just can’t play 25 minutes or more. He’s so injury prone. The lower extremity injury history adds up over time. Even though he was an “old” almost 24 year old rookie in 2016. He shouldn’t have this much wear and tear as an almost 29 year old with 5 years of nba seasons under his belt.

He was already limited physically not that athletic entering the league. And now the lower body problems.

I just don’t see brodgon as full time starter these days. He just can’t stay healthy.

I think he can play 30 a game but 37 is a lot for any player, I think he would be better suited at sg rather than point trying to keep up with faster guards every night.

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[BullyKing]

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Seems like the kind of thing Klutch should have looked into before they set off on this course but oh well! Hope the Sixers sent Ben a notice every time they deduct another $300k from his trust account.

[basketballwacko2]

I saw probably 5 Indiana games last season, and it seemed to me there was an issue with Brogdon each game - his energy level wasn't there. Makes me wonder if there's a physical issue he's been dealing with and whether it will continue.

21.2 points
5.3 rebounds
5.9 assists
38.8% 3pt shooting
86.4% free throw shooting

Pretty good numbers for a guy with no energy.

Excellent #'s. And no doubt he was one of the better players on a 34-38 team.

An injury riddled team yes. How about if we revisit this at the end of the season.

[Jay_Sizzle]

I like brodgon. He would be a good fit with sixers if they got rid of Tobias Harris and move Simmons to the 4 slot.

But brodgon just can’t play 25 minutes or more. He’s so injury prone. The lower extremity injury history adds up over time. Even though he was an “old” almost 24 year old rookie in 2016. He shouldn’t have this much wear and tear as an almost 29 year old with 5 years of nba seasons under his belt.

He was already limited physically not that athletic entering the league. And now the lower body problems.

I just don’t see brodgon as full time starter these days. He just can’t stay healthy.

I think he can play 30 a game but 37 is a lot for any player, I think he would be better suited at sg rather than point trying to keep up with faster guards every night.

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I think if you can get Brogdon and LeVert or Warren, that the Sixers should take it. Seems to be one of the best value offers we have seen, when most teams are lowering their reported offers.

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[basketballwacko2]

Seems like the kind of thing Klutch should have looked into before they set off on this course but oh well! Hope the Sixers sent Ben a notice every time they deduct another $300k from his trust account.

Did Simmons think he was gonna be able to hold out and still get paid?

I know if I don't go to work because I'm pissed at the boss I don't get paid.

[Scoot McGroot]

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Who is Landon Buford? Is he someone you think is so super plugged in, even though he's not employed by anyone at all, that he would be breaking a massive news report like this?

[basketballwacko2]

I like brodgon. He would be a good fit with sixers if they got rid of Tobias Harris and move Simmons to the 4 slot.

But brodgon just can’t play 25 minutes or more. He’s so injury prone. The lower extremity injury history adds up over time. Even though he was an “old” almost 24 year old rookie in 2016. He shouldn’t have this much wear and tear as an almost 29 year old with 5 years of nba seasons under his belt.

He was already limited physically not that athletic entering the league. And now the lower body problems.

I just don’t see brodgon as full time starter these days. He just can’t stay healthy.

I think he can play 30 a game but 37 is a lot for any player, I think he would be better suited at sg rather than point trying to keep up with faster guards every night.

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It wouldn't be the end of the world for me if they traded Brogdon and LeVert for Simmons but I would not add any picks to that other than a late 2nd. I'd rather not trade Brogdon, I think having him at SG with Simmons at point would be an interesting combo. But I don't see Philly taking LeVert, Warren and Lamb for Simmons, especially with LeVert and Warren both still listed as injured.

Edit: I would rather not be involved with Simmons at all considering this hold out spectacle.

[Scoot McGroot]

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Seems like the kind of thing Klutch should have looked into before they set off on this course but oh well! Hope the Sixers sent Ben a notice every time they deduct another $300k from his trust account.

In fairness to Ben/Klutch, didn't the league/NBPA just formalize this agreement in the last day or two? Shouldn't Ben/Klutch be reaching out to the team to formally get notice of what is happening?

[BullyKing]

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Who is Landon Buford? Is he someone you think is so super plugged in, even though he's not employed by anyone at all, that he would be breaking a massive news report like this?

In fairness, he lives in Richardson, Texas which is exactly where you would expect information about a trade between Philadelphia and Indianapolis to leak.

[Scoot McGroot]

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Who is Landon Buford? Is he someone you think is so super plugged in, even though he's not employed by anyone at all, that he would be breaking a massive news report like this?

In fairness, he lives in Richardson, Texas which is exactly where you would expect information about a trade between Philadelphia and Indianapolis to leak.

Ah. I should’ve seen that. My bad.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Who is Landon Buford? Is he someone you think is so super plugged in, even though he's not employed by anyone at all, that he would be breaking a massive news report like this?

In fairness, he lives in Richardson, Texas which is exactly where you would expect information about a trade between Philadelphia and Indianapolis to leak.

Ah. I should’ve seen that. My bad.

I mean it’s a concept that has been proposed on a bunch of platforms. To the extent that it generates clicks, it’s successful.

[JRoy]

So Morey wants a "star" player for Ben. Fact is Ben is not a star! He's treated like one and paid like one but the guy can't shoot. I see him as a defensive specialist, good passer and rebounder. The lack of shooting range and low free throw percentage takes him down a notch. Brogdon is a better all around player as far as I'm concerned and I don't think a 1 for 1 is something that would benefit Indiana. Brogdon is not a hold out, he's on a better contract and he's a team leader. Ben is acting like a petulant child, he's set to make $31 million and he butt hurt and wants traded.

Really?

Brogdon is a better shooter.

Simmons is a better passer, rebounder, athlete and a much better defensive player.

How is Brogdon a better all around player?

Brogdon is not holding out. He's a team leader and great locker room guy. Simmons is a better rebounder sure he's 6 inches taller. Better passer? He has a higher assist average, Brogdon plays with Sabonis who averages 6.7 assists per game. There are other factors that need consideration. Simmons shooting is the factor that drags him down in my view. His FT shooting is reminiscent of Dwight Howard or DeAndre Jordan, no excuse for it! FT shooting is a matter of practice and concentration.

Which part of that makes him a better all around player than Young Socialite?

It’s not health either.

[Ballerhogger]

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Seems like the kind of thing Klutch should have looked into before they set off on this course but oh well! Hope the Sixers sent Ben a notice every time they deduct another $300k from his trust account.

Klutch thought morey would cave and trade him early ? Bad move now they don’t get paid