Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Philly's Best]

I'd have to guess they thought they could bully the Sixers and NBA to do what they wanted more than they didn't know. A miscalculation of their influence and maybe teams and NBA overall disdain for them and their methodology.

[Tomjas]

Show up & get paid millions or sit at home & watch your money get flushed down the drain

Tough decision

[DCasey91]

I think we should have drafted Mcbride and Ayo over Springer. Both look likely types and have better skillsets. Age aside both of them have NBA positional size down which can’t just be had.

The player we missed out on was Hyland, but I agree, I like those other guys better than I like Springer. We'll see though. I hope I am wrong.

Hyland for me is a wait and see, I’m not fully liking his body type but there is the Jordan Clarkson appeal to him.

Springer gives me flashbacks to Sam Cassell which is his high end outcome possible. Nothing wrong with Cassell

Just that there may be others in the draft that were better options/picks. Cooper/Ayo/Mcbride fits the wheelhouse better of what we need.

[BullyKing]

I'd have to guess they thought they could bully the Sixers and NBA to do what they wanted more than they didn't know. A miscalculation of their influence and maybe teams and NBA overall disdain for them and their methodology.

I think they are just stupid and assumed the new team would forgive everything without realizing its the Sixers who would have to do this. But Simmons could still refuse to report to a new team unless the Sixers agreed to forgive the fines as part of the trade. I assume their willingness to do so would depend on the return and things like if this would push them back over the tax.

[Stanford]

I don't think I buy any of the narratives leaked about this situation, pro-Ben or pro-Sixers. I think it's all just bull until something happens.

[Sixerscan]

I'd have to guess they thought they could bully the Sixers and NBA to do what they wanted more than they didn't know. A miscalculation of their influence and maybe teams and NBA overall disdain for them and their methodology.

I think they are just stupid and assumed the new team would forgive everything without realizing its the Sixers who would have to do this. But Simmons could still refuse to report to a new team unless the Sixers agreed to forgive the fines as part of the trade. I assume their willingness to do so would depend on the return and things like if this would push them back over the tax.

Sounds like Klutch gave him bad advice and they should pay Simmons the difference.

Of course he still has the potential of his trade kicker, may be able to use the threat of that (which could blow up a trade) to get paid.

At every turn, league insiders have gossiped about what the next angle might be to leak from Simmons' camp to the media. Each successive leak has been met with eye rolls in some circles — the Sixers trying to trade him for a superior player in James Harden, for example, was not viewed by any reasonable party as an indictment of how they've treated him. Doc Rivers' comments after Game 7 and Joel Embiid's imperfect fit with Simmons were floated next, met with the observation that Rivers has been his biggest booster (internally and externally) and that the Embiid pairing has led to lets of winning and strong data points in favor of the duo.

lol

[DCasey91]

I don't think I buy any of the narratives leaked about this situation, pro-Ben or pro-Sixers. I think it's all just bull until something happens.

I think both parties are losing atm. We don’t have a capable team and Ben’s camp is losing monetary and player value by the day. It’s not good a look if you want to invest him long term there’s risks involved and that’s not even getting into his huge flaws in his game.

Both have brought it onto themselves so there’s no “winner” to me.

Sometimes it’s much better to short the option then try to max out sinking value. The market will just pass by

[BullyKing]

I'd have to guess they thought they could bully the Sixers and NBA to do what they wanted more than they didn't know. A miscalculation of their influence and maybe teams and NBA overall disdain for them and their methodology.

I think they are just stupid and assumed the new team would forgive everything without realizing its the Sixers who would have to do this. But Simmons could still refuse to report to a new team unless the Sixers agreed to forgive the fines as part of the trade. I assume their willingness to do so would depend on the return and things like if this would push them back over the tax.

Sounds like Klutch gave him bad advice and they should pay Simmons the difference.

Of course he still has the potential of his trade kicker, may be able to use the threat of that (which could blow up a trade) to get paid.

At every turn, league insiders have gossiped about what the next angle might be to leak from Simmons' camp to the media. Each successive leak has been met with eye rolls in some circles — the Sixers trying to trade him for a superior player in James Harden, for example, was not viewed by any reasonable party as an indictment of how they've treated him. Doc Rivers' comments after Game 7 and Joel Embiid's imperfect fit with Simmons were floated next, met with the observation that Rivers has been his biggest booster (internally and externally) and that the Embiid pairing has led to lets of winning and strong data points in favor of the duo.

lol

His trade kicker isn't really a thing. The kicker can't be used to violate the max salary that the player is otherwise eligible for. Given that his contractual increase was more than the increase in the overall cap, I don't think his kicker actually exists right now for all practical purposes. If it does at all, its a miniscule amount.

[BullyKing]

I don't think I buy any of the narratives leaked about this situation, pro-Ben or pro-Sixers. I think it's all just bull until something happens.

Yeah, I can't say that's an unfair viewpoint. Nevertheless, I enjoy reading the pro-Sixers ones more.

[Sixerscan]

I think they are just stupid and assumed the new team would forgive everything without realizing its the Sixers who would have to do this. But Simmons could still refuse to report to a new team unless the Sixers agreed to forgive the fines as part of the trade. I assume their willingness to do so would depend on the return and things like if this would push them back over the tax.

Sounds like Klutch gave him bad advice and they should pay Simmons the difference.

Of course he still has the potential of his trade kicker, may be able to use the threat of that (which could blow up a trade) to get paid.

At every turn, league insiders have gossiped about what the next angle might be to leak from Simmons' camp to the media. Each successive leak has been met with eye rolls in some circles — the Sixers trying to trade him for a superior player in James Harden, for example, was not viewed by any reasonable party as an indictment of how they've treated him. Doc Rivers' comments after Game 7 and Joel Embiid's imperfect fit with Simmons were floated next, met with the observation that Rivers has been his biggest booster (internally and externally) and that the Embiid pairing has led to lets of winning and strong data points in favor of the duo.

lol

His trade kicker isn't really a thing. The kicker can't be used to violate the max salary that the player is otherwise eligible for. Given that his contractual increase was more than the increase in the overall cap, I don't think his kicker actually exists right now for all practical purposes. If it does at all, its a miniscule amount.

Yeah I didn't think about that good point.

[Tomjas]

Sounds like Klutch gave him bad advice and they should pay Simmons the difference.

Of course he still has the potential of his trade kicker, may be able to use the threat of that (which could blow up a trade) to get paid.



lol

His trade kicker isn't really a thing. The kicker can't be used to violate the max salary that the player is otherwise eligible for. Given that his contractual increase was more than the increase in the overall cap, I don't think his kicker actually exists right now for all practical purposes. If it does at all, its a miniscule amount.

Yeah I didn't think about that good point.

Last time I checked it was only a few hundred k

He’s lost more than that in fines already

[BullyKing]

Sounds like Klutch gave him bad advice and they should pay Simmons the difference.

Of course he still has the potential of his trade kicker, may be able to use the threat of that (which could blow up a trade) to get paid.



lol

His trade kicker isn't really a thing. The kicker can't be used to violate the max salary that the player is otherwise eligible for. Given that his contractual increase was more than the increase in the overall cap, I don't think his kicker actually exists right now for all practical purposes. If it does at all, its a miniscule amount.

Yeah I didn't think about that good point.

Decent chance Klutch overlooked that fact too.

[Stanford]

Imagine losing 30 million bucks on purpose. Holy ****

[Tomjas]

His trade kicker isn't really a thing. The kicker can't be used to violate the max salary that the player is otherwise eligible for. Given that his contractual increase was more than the increase in the overall cap, I don't think his kicker actually exists right now for all practical purposes. If it does at all, its a miniscule amount.

Yeah I didn't think about that good point.

Decent chance Klutch overlooked that fact too.

Doubt it as it has been well publicised

[NYSixersFan]

No interest in LeVert, but I am warming up to the idea of Brogdon

[NYSixersFan]

Brogdon, Lamb and a 1st rd pick for Simmons.....then use Lamb's expiring contract plus draft picks to get a starting caliber SF

[Skates]

A healthy Brogdon and Levert would be a great return, but both have a history of not being that a lot of the time, especially Brogdon, he is like the Embiid of point guards.

Now Brogdon and we can turn one of Turner or Sabonis into something(s) useful from a third team, that could be tasty.

I still want Haliburton and filler more than anyone short of Dame or Beal, could live with the right package built around Sexton (i.e. not Love) and a package from the Raptors could be sneaky good built around OG Anunuboy, Flynn and a PG (with picks aplenty if the PG is Dragic).

Still a matter of waiting and being patient, Simmons isn't going anywhere of his own volition and Morey has zero reason to cave just to make him happy at this point, and I think a lot of the league at large are quietly behind him on that, Silver included.

[stormi]

Caris Lehurt cope in here? I'll be back tomorrow.

[Black Mage]

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-ben-simmons-standoff-hold-out-trade-demand-fines-rich-paul-latest-news/

I think the biggest thing to take away from Kyle's article is:

A source familiar with the conversations between Simmons' camp and the Sixers told PhillyVoice that the only consistent or clear message this offseason was about the accelerated timeline Simmons has been evaluated on compared to other No. 1 overall picks. In most instances, agent Rich Paul and others have pointed out, top picks are sent to bad teams where they can figure out who they are and how their career is going to play out. Having missed his first year out of LSU due to injury, Simmons joined Embiid to form a partnership capable of winning 50 games right away, and the Sixers have been considered contenders (or at least pseudo contenders) at various points during the last three seasons, increasing scrutiny on his development.

Good god.

[eyeatoma]

I don't think I buy any of the narratives leaked about this situation, pro-Ben or pro-Sixers. I think it's all just bull until something happens.

I mean the report that he won't report has been true so far. We shall see if he maintains that stance when the season starts. The sixers decision to withhold pay also has been true. The trade demands made by Simmons have been verified through Woj, and then by the team.