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[Ballerhogger]

I think he can play 30 a game but 37 is a lot for any player, I think he would be better suited at sg rather than point trying to keep up with faster guards every night.

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It wouldn't be the end of the world for me if they traded Brogdon and LeVert for Simmons but I would not add any picks to that other than a late 2nd. I'd rather not trade Brogdon, I think having him at SG with Simmons at point would be an interesting combo. But I don't see Philly taking LeVert, Warren and Lamb for Simmons, especially with LeVert and Warren both still listed as injured.

Edit: I would rather not be involved with Simmons at all considering this hold out spectacle.

The only clear deal is brogdon for Simmons and 2nd rounder … for both teams

[kuclas]

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It wouldn't be the end of the world for me if they traded Brogdon and LeVert for Simmons but I would not add any picks to that other than a late 2nd. I'd rather not trade Brogdon, I think having him at SG with Simmons at point would be an interesting combo. But I don't see Philly taking LeVert, Warren and Lamb for Simmons, especially with LeVert and Warren both still listed as injured.

Edit: I would rather not be involved with Simmons at all considering this hold out spectacle.

The only clear deal is brogdon for Simmons and 2nd rounder … for both teams

No. Sixers already turned down brodgon and first round for Simmons.

Really it needs to be both levert and brodgon since they are both injury prone players. U just have to roll the dice and hope one of those guys is healthy for the playoffs. Both have 2 years left? So if ur doesn’t work out. You can move both next season due to expiring deals for 2022-2023 season pretty easy.

But I just don’t see the Simmons plus Sabonis fit. Sabonis is even a worst shooter than embiid. He doesn’t want to be hanging from the 3 point line

Where does turner fit with Simmons and Sabonis.

Just an odd fit.

Indiana just swinging for the fences on Simmons potential.

[Ballerhogger]

It wouldn't be the end of the world for me if they traded Brogdon and LeVert for Simmons but I would not add any picks to that other than a late 2nd. I'd rather not trade Brogdon, I think having him at SG with Simmons at point would be an interesting combo. But I don't see Philly taking LeVert, Warren and Lamb for Simmons, especially with LeVert and Warren both still listed as injured.

Edit: I would rather not be involved with Simmons at all considering this hold out spectacle.

The only clear deal is brogdon for Simmons and 2nd rounder … for both teams

No. Sixers already turned down brodgon and first round for Simmons.

Really it needs to be both levert and brodgon since they are both injury prone players. U just have to roll the dice and hope one of those guys is healthy for the playoffs. Both have 2 years left? So if ur doesn’t work out. You can move both next season due to expiring deals for 2022-2023 season pretty easy.

But I just don’t see the Simmons plus Sabonis fit. Sabonis is even a worst shooter than embiid. He doesn’t want to be hanging from the 3 point line

Where does turner fit with Simmons and Sabonis.

Just an odd fit.

Indiana just swinging for the fences on Simmons potential.

It’s odd fit, Myles turner doesn’t fit at all they have Drummond for the min… Indiana definitely swinging for the fences
Brogdon+ Warren first rounder 2022 and second rounder is better deal . Danny green does not look good … I’d want replacement

[zimpy27]

I like brodgon. He would be a good fit with sixers if they got rid of Tobias Harris and move Simmons to the 4 slot.

But brodgon just can’t play 25 minutes or more. He’s so injury prone. The lower extremity injury history adds up over time. Even though he was an “old” almost 24 year old rookie in 2016. He shouldn’t have this much wear and tear as an almost 29 year old with 5 years of nba seasons under his belt.

He was already limited physically not that athletic entering the league. And now the lower body problems.

I just don’t see brodgon as full time starter these days. He just can’t stay healthy.

I think he can play 30 a game but 37 is a lot for any player, I think he would be better suited at sg rather than point trying to keep up with faster guards every night.

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Been pushing this for a while. LeVert is ideal for the sixers both as a starter and off the bench. Brogdon would fit the sixers as a starter too.

If Simmons is a Pacer then I think Turner or Sabonis with Lamb probably gets moved for CJ or Siakam as a trade base. That's just my prediction anyway.

[penbeast0]

SIMMONS FOR IRVING straight up.

Both teams getting tired of their antics; probably won't happen because they are in the same division but . . .

Sorry, wasn't thinking deeply on this one and forgot there was a Simmons thread.

[jbk1234]

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Seems like the kind of thing Klutch should have looked into before they set off on this course but oh well! Hope the Sixers sent Ben a notice every time they deduct another $300k from his trust account.

Klutch thought morey would cave and trade him early ? Bad move now they don’t get paid

I was going to say, on one level Klutch is probably more upset than Simmons.

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[zimpy27]

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Seems like the kind of thing Klutch should have looked into before they set off on this course but oh well! Hope the Sixers sent Ben a notice every time they deduct another $300k from his trust account.

Klutch thought morey would cave and trade him early ? Bad move now they don’t get paid

I was going to say, on one level Klutch is probably more upset than Simmons.

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Klutch is probably bankrolling Ben. This is generating a lot of press for them, their model is built on player empowerment so I can't see them backing down at all, that would be terrible for them. If they can just sign one more guy by staring down a team like this then it was all worth it for them.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think he can play 30 a game but 37 is a lot for any player, I think he would be better suited at sg rather than point trying to keep up with faster guards every night.

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Been pushing this for a while. LeVert is ideal for the sixers both as a starter and off the bench. Brogdon would fit the sixers as a starter too.

If Simmons is a Pacer then I think Turner or Sabonis with Lamb probably gets moved for CJ or Siakam as a trade base. That's just my prediction anyway.

Curious...why? I Simmons addition necessitates the move of Turner or Sabonis, wouldn't moving one of them for Siakam exacerbate the issue? We'd just be moving one PF/C for another PF? If Simmons causes an issue with the PF/C spots, trading a PF/C for another PF just doesn't appear to make sense to me, unless you plan on playing Siakam out of position as an oversized SF?

[kuclas]

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Klutch thought morey would cave and trade him early ? Bad move now they don’t get paid

I was going to say, on one level Klutch is probably more upset than Simmons.

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Klutch is probably bankrolling Ben. This is generating a lot of press for them, their model is built on player empowerment so I can't see them backing down at all, that would be terrible for them. If they can just sign one more guy by staring down a team like this then it was all worth it for them.

Simmons is gonna to show up soon if this continues close to regular season. Too much money being lost. How much does klutch sports generate profit wise annually? Are they willing to bankroll Simmons 15-17 million? I doubt it. That’s probably 1/2 of their profits for the year. Sports agents make up to 4% or players contracts?

[zimpy27]

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Been pushing this for a while. LeVert is ideal for the sixers both as a starter and off the bench. Brogdon would fit the sixers as a starter too.

If Simmons is a Pacer then I think Turner or Sabonis with Lamb probably gets moved for CJ or Siakam as a trade base. That's just my prediction anyway.

Curious...why? I Simmons addition necessitates the move of Turner or Sabonis, wouldn't moving one of them for Siakam exacerbate the issue? We'd just be moving one PF/C for another PF? If Simmons causes an issue with the PF/C spots, trading a PF/C for another PF just doesn't appear to make sense to me, unless you plan on playing Siakam out of position as an oversized SF?

I don't see either Sabonis or Turner as guys that can guard SF and C, so having either play PF makes it tough to have flexibility defensively IMO. Simmons can be the 4 that can takes time at 3 and 5 and so can Siakam.

[jbk1234]

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Klutch thought morey would cave and trade him early ? Bad move now they don’t get paid

I was going to say, on one level Klutch is probably more upset than Simmons.

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Klutch is probably bankrolling Ben. This is generating a lot of press for them, their model is built on player empowerment so I can't see them backing down at all, that would be terrible for them. If they can just sign one more guy by staring down a team like this then it was all worth it for them.

Their model is using leverage to get paid. Don't get it twisted.

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[jbk1234]

I was going to say, on one level Klutch is probably more upset than Simmons.

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Klutch is probably bankrolling Ben. This is generating a lot of press for them, their model is built on player empowerment so I can't see them backing down at all, that would be terrible for them. If they can just sign one more guy by staring down a team like this then it was all worth it for them.

Simmons is gonna to show up soon if this continues close to regular season. Too much money being lost. How much does klutch sports generate profit wise annually? Are they willing to bankroll Simmons 15-17 million? I doubt it. That’s probably 1/2 of their profits for the year. Sports agents make up to 4% or players contracts?

Here's what none of us know, when Paul tells Morey that Simmons is mentally exhausted and wants to move on, is that real?


If it is, it's a mistake to assume that anyone knows what Simmons will do.

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[kuclas]

Klutch is probably bankrolling Ben. This is generating a lot of press for them, their model is built on player empowerment so I can't see them backing down at all, that would be terrible for them. If they can just sign one more guy by staring down a team like this then it was all worth it for them.

Simmons is gonna to show up soon if this continues close to regular season. Too much money being lost. How much does klutch sports generate profit wise annually? Are they willing to bankroll Simmons 15-17 million? I doubt it. That’s probably 1/2 of their profits for the year. Sports agents make up to 4% or players contracts?

Here's what none of us know, when Paul tells Morey that Simmons is mentally exhausted and wants to move on, is that real?


If it is, it's a mistake to assume that anyone knows what Simmons will do.

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No one trust agents especially Paul. He’s getting sued by Noel. If this Simmons saga cost Simmons millions. Paul will be the big loser.

Lots of reputations are at stake here. It’s unprecedented a player with a max salary of 4 years left hold out. This is guarantee money. Super max rookie extension guarantee money. So it’s not like he’s unhappy cause he signed a below value contract.

[jbk1234]

Simmons is gonna to show up soon if this continues close to regular season. Too much money being lost. How much does klutch sports generate profit wise annually? Are they willing to bankroll Simmons 15-17 million? I doubt it. That’s probably 1/2 of their profits for the year. Sports agents make up to 4% or players contracts?

Here's what none of us know, when Paul tells Morey that Simmons is mentally exhausted and wants to move on, is that real?


If it is, it's a mistake to assume that anyone knows what Simmons will do.

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No one trust agents especially Paul. He’s getting sued by Noel. If this Simmons saga cost Simmons millions. Paul will be the big loser.

Lots of reputations are at stake here. It’s unprecedented a player with a max salary of 4 years left hold out. This is guarantee money. Super max rookie extension guarantee money. So it’s not like he’s unhappy cause he signed a below value contract.

Agreed, but he's a 25-year old young man who has decided, either for real or not, that this isn't where he wants to work anymore.

And the for real or not part of the equation is going to heavily influence how this plays out.

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[basketballwacko2]

Really?

Brogdon is a better shooter.

Simmons is a better passer, rebounder, athlete and a much better defensive player.

How is Brogdon a better all around player?

Brogdon is not holding out. He's a team leader and great locker room guy. Simmons is a better rebounder sure he's 6 inches taller. Better passer? He has a higher assist average, Brogdon plays with Sabonis who averages 6.7 assists per game. There are other factors that need consideration. Simmons shooting is the factor that drags him down in my view. His FT shooting is reminiscent of Dwight Howard or DeAndre Jordan, no excuse for it! FT shooting is a matter of practice and concentration.

Which part of that makes him a better all around player than Young Socialite?

It’s not health either.

Brilliant analysis! You should be a RealGm!

[basketballwacko2]

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It wouldn't be the end of the world for me if they traded Brogdon and LeVert for Simmons but I would not add any picks to that other than a late 2nd. I'd rather not trade Brogdon, I think having him at SG with Simmons at point would be an interesting combo. But I don't see Philly taking LeVert, Warren and Lamb for Simmons, especially with LeVert and Warren both still listed as injured.

Edit: I would rather not be involved with Simmons at all considering this hold out spectacle.

The only clear deal is brogdon for Simmons and 2nd rounder … for both teams

No if they want Brogdon they have to take LeVert too.

[JRoy]

Brogdon is not holding out. He's a team leader and great locker room guy. Simmons is a better rebounder sure he's 6 inches taller. Better passer? He has a higher assist average, Brogdon plays with Sabonis who averages 6.7 assists per game. There are other factors that need consideration. Simmons shooting is the factor that drags him down in my view. His FT shooting is reminiscent of Dwight Howard or DeAndre Jordan, no excuse for it! FT shooting is a matter of practice and concentration.

Which part of that makes him a better all around player than Young Socialite?

It’s not health either.

Brilliant analysis! You should be a RealGm!

Still waiting for you to defend the baseless claim that Brogdon is a better all around player than Simmons.

Is that all you’ve got?

[Topofthekey]

If the trade is Brogdon + LeVert for Simmons, does that mean the Pacers end up with one of the tallest starting lineups in the league with Turner + Sabonis + Simmons?

[Topofthekey]

Which part of that makes him a better all around player than Young Socialite?

It’s not health either.

Brilliant analysis! You should be a RealGm!

Still waiting for you to defend the baseless claim that Brogdon is a better all around player than Simmons.

Is that all you’ve got?

Brogdon is a better all around player in the sense that he doesn't have any glaring weaknesses, unlike Simmons

[basketballwacko2]

Which part of that makes him a better all around player than Young Socialite?

It’s not health either.

Brilliant analysis! You should be a RealGm!

Still waiting for you to defend the baseless claim that Brogdon is a better all around player than Simmons.

Is that all you’ve got?

I'm not participating in this kind of thing. Brogdan is playing Ben is a head case holdout.