Official Spec Thread: Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0

[swarlesbarkley]

Don’t want to start another thread like the last one but Isaac is starting to really annoy me. Putting his vaccine beliefs aside, why does he think going on a Fox News interview and continuing to be a lightning rod for controversy is appropriate when he can’t even stay on the floor due to injury. It is totally his right to do it but it’s a really bad look.

He's a hero in the conservative community. When he stood for the national anthem his jersey shot up to #2 in the NBA.

I'm sure his anti-vaxx stance sold more jerseys. Isaac posted on his IG the other day, a guy that was so proud to get his new Isaac jersey.

We may not agree with him, but some people do. Would you have been okay if he agreed to an interview on your favorite news channel?

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I think what I've bolded is the issue. If some people are agreeing with him, they aren't getting the full story or they are also conveniently leaving out important pieces of information.

JI isn't wrong that there is some evidence that natural immunity from Delta is stronger than immunity from the vaccine. That was one study, though, which didn't test for asymptomatic cases. There have been more studies that say natural immunity isn't as good, though, those were completed pre-Delta.

The issue is that JI speaks about these things like he (and especially his body type) are the norm. He doesn't include a disclaimer like "I'm in the top 1% of physical health in America because of my body type and the work I put into my body to play in the NBA" which obviously puts him in the best position to fight off the virus.

He also doesn't mention that he has access to amazing medical teams and daily health assessments.

He also doesn't mention that the same study he refers to about natural immunity ALSO states that getting vaccinated after COVID infection cuts the chances of getting COVID again in half.

He also doesn't mention how the risks from the vaccine are like 20 in a million which is less risk than getting into a car every day.

He also doesn't mention anything about the competitive disadvantage being unvaccinated brings to him and the team this season.

Overall, he very clearly chooses what he says because it sounds good, not because it's right or the full story. And I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he KNOWS the things above because he's a smart human - and if that's the case, he's choosing to be sneaky and misleading. If doesn't know the things above, then he's completely misguided.

Either way, IMO it's dangerous to the greater community and also a lightning rod for divisiveness within the locker room.

[thelead]

I think he cares more about his beliefs, and holding onto them, then his looks.

Funny... when it's players for 'caring more about their beliefs, and holding onto them, then their looks' for black lives matter, it's a problem for that same audience.

I just wish all of the politization of everything would just go away. Your politics are YOUR politics. Vote and move on.

I totally agree with you on keeping these stupid political takes out of the discussion here. Somehow, I bet most of the posters upset with Isaac were totally fine when it was the kneeling/etc. I didn't care then, I don't care now.

Serious question: Has Isaac said he is anti-vaccine, or just that he doesn't want the Covid vaccine?

I respect his reasoning. He said that he is not anti-vaccine. He said that he had covid already and thus should have anti-bodies. He said he was pro-science.

[swarlesbarkley]

Funny... when it's players for 'caring more about their beliefs, and holding onto them, then their looks' for black lives matter, it's a problem for that same audience.

I just wish all of the politization of everything would just go away. Your politics are YOUR politics. Vote and move on.

I totally agree with you on keeping these stupid political takes out of the discussion here. Somehow, I bet most of the posters upset with Isaac were totally fine when it was the kneeling/etc. I didn't care then, I don't care now.

Serious question: Has Isaac said he is anti-vaccine, or just that he doesn't want the Covid vaccine?

I respect his reasoning. He said that he is not anti-vaccine. He said that he had covid already and thus should have anti-bodies. He said he was pro-science.

See my post above on why JI being "pro-science" is a funny stance considering he conveniently leaves out quite a bit of science in his statements.

[Ducklett]

I totally agree with you on keeping these stupid political takes out of the discussion here. Somehow, I bet most of the posters upset with Isaac were totally fine when it was the kneeling/etc. I didn't care then, I don't care now.

Serious question: Has Isaac said he is anti-vaccine, or just that he doesn't want the Covid vaccine?

I respect his reasoning. He said that he is not anti-vaccine. He said that he had covid already and thus should have anti-bodies. He said he was pro-science.

See my post above on why JI being "pro-science" is a funny stance considering he conveniently leaves out quite a bit of science in his statements.

Isaac isn't a scientist... you would expect a non-scientist to get science wrong. So, and correct me if I am wrong, he is cool with vaccines, he doesn't want this vaccine, he spoke to his doctors, who told him he has antibodies and should be fine at his level of fitness/age, and is cool with where he is and is willing to look into changing his mind if things change. What exactly is the hot take here? He isn't doing what YOU want him to?

Edit: We don't know his health history. Maybe he has a health issue that precludes him from getting the shot/adding to the risk. He said he spoke to the doctors. Should we require him to show his health history? As someone with a health issue that precludes me from getting most shots, it is so obnoxious that people treat me like crap until I have to tell them my medical history so they stop treating me like crap. It sucks.

[swarlesbarkley]

I respect his reasoning. He said that he is not anti-vaccine. He said that he had covid already and thus should have anti-bodies. He said he was pro-science.

See my post above on why JI being "pro-science" is a funny stance considering he conveniently leaves out quite a bit of science in his statements.

Isaac isn't a scientist... you would expect a non-scientist to get science wrong. So, and correct me if I am wrong, he is cool with vaccines, he doesn't want this vaccine, he spoke to his doctors, who told him he has antibodies and should be fine at his level of fitness/age, and is cool with where he is and is willing to look into changing his mind if things change. What exactly is the hot take here? He isn't doing what YOU want him to?

Well, ignoring all the science he's convenient leaving out when talking about this (most notably the same study he refers to about natural immunity states vaccine after natural immunity cuts the chance of getting COVID again in half and also the risks he's talking about from the vaccine being like 20 in a million), there's a clear competitive disadvantage to not being vaccinated based on the NBA rules this season.

So it's disappointing on a personal level and also disappointing as a fan for a guy to choose a path that creates a disadvantage for himself and the team.

[swarlesbarkley]

Edit: We don't know his health history. Maybe he has a health issue that precludes him from getting the shot/adding to the risk. He said he spoke to the doctors. Should we require him to show his health history? As someone with a health issue that precludes me from getting most shots, it is so obnoxious that people treat me like crap until I have to tell them my medical history so they stop treating me like crap. It sucks.

If he's choosing to be a vocal leader on why he's not getting the COVID vaccine, it's dangerous to not explain that he has a history that puts him at more risk because his comments will be used to convince people to not get the vaccine when the risks are are like 20 in one million (for someone who has already had COVID).

[jonbob17]

I think he cares more about his beliefs, and holding onto them, then his looks.

Funny... when it's players for 'caring more about their beliefs, and holding onto them, then their looks' for black lives matter, it's a problem for that same audience.

I just wish all of the politization of everything would just go away. Your politics are YOUR politics. Vote and move on.

I totally agree with you on keeping these stupid political takes out of the discussion here. Somehow, I bet most of the posters upset with Isaac were totally fine when it was the kneeling/etc. I didn't care then, I don't care now. Nearly everyone in the NBA, outside of the G-League dudes, are literally the wealthiest 1% in the world (You only need 9 mil BTW), they don't live in our reality.

Serious question: Has Isaac said he is anti-vaccine, or just that he doesn't want the Covid vaccine?

He said he is not anti-vaccine, nor anti-science, and that people should get the vaccine. He then went on to say that we need to understand this virus has a 99.7% survival rate and a vaccine that doesn't stop infection or transmission.
99.7 is blatantly wrong and while it's true the vaccine doesn't (100%) stop infection/transmission, it is very effective. The Delta mutation has proven harder to beat than the virus the vaccines were developed against.

He was definitely coached up by the Orlando PR team before media day. He sort of let some of his true feelings come out during the Fox news interview.

[pepe1991]

Fun read lol
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Dont even know where he is now

Haahaahaahah i had good laugh at this, tnx

[swarlesbarkley]

Funny... when it's players for 'caring more about their beliefs, and holding onto them, then their looks' for black lives matter, it's a problem for that same audience.

I just wish all of the politization of everything would just go away. Your politics are YOUR politics. Vote and move on.

I totally agree with you on keeping these stupid political takes out of the discussion here. Somehow, I bet most of the posters upset with Isaac were totally fine when it was the kneeling/etc. I didn't care then, I don't care now. Nearly everyone in the NBA, outside of the G-League dudes, are literally the wealthiest 1% in the world (You only need 9 mil BTW), they don't live in our reality.

Serious question: Has Isaac said he is anti-vaccine, or just that he doesn't want the Covid vaccine?

He said he is not anti-vaccine, nor anti-science, and that people should get the vaccine. He then went on to say that we need to understand this virus has a 99.7% survival rate and a vaccine that doesn't stop infection or transmission.
99.7 is blatantly wrong and while it's true the vaccine doesn't (100%) stop infection/transmission, it is very effective. The Delta mutation has proven harder to beat than the virus the vaccines were developed against.

He was definitely coached up by the Orlando PR team before media day. He sort of let some of his true feelings come out during the Fox news interview.

Yeah, he's using the science that backs his choice/belief in individual liberty but conveniently leaves out the science (some from the same study) that benefits the general public.

It's either purposely manipulative or accidentally misguided. Neither is good. Neither helps the team.

[OrlChamps2030]

Watch on YouTube

Anyone check this out? Jonathan Isaac was on a podcast from TheBlaze yesterday

[swarlesbarkley]

Watch on YouTube

Anyone check this out? Jonathan Isaac was on a podcast from TheBlaze yesterday

Can someone summarize? I don't want this stuff to pop up in my YouTube recommends.

[drsd]

Nearly everyone in the NBA, outside of the G-League dudes, are literally the wealthiest 1% in the world (You only need 9 mil BTW), they don't live in our reality.

Yes; I am an 1-percenter !

[drsd]

For me, so long as we are talking in a basketball context, this discussion line is valid.

Serious question: Has Isaac said he is anti-vaccine, or just that he doesn't want the Covid vaccine?

So .... during the media day, Isaac implied that he was vaccinated by his parents as he did not have free will to stop that. That sounds a LOT like he actually is anti-vax. Or at least anti-vax adjacent. I think he is kinda sitting on the fence that he's ok if other Magicians are variated; that is that it is ok to accept that others are not anti-vax, means that Isaac is not anti-vax even if he would no no longer be vaccinated for anything.

The thing is the DeVos family is probably ecstatic here with Isaac and his public pronouncments about "freedom".


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[swarlesbarkley]

For me, so long as we are talking in a basketball context, this discussion line is valid.

Serious question: Has Isaac said he is anti-vaccine, or just that he doesn't want the Covid vaccine?

So .... during the media day, Isaac implied that he was vaccinated by his parents as he did not have free will to stop that. That sounds a LOT like he actually is anti-vax. Or at least anti-vax adjacent. I think he is kinda sitting on the fence that he's ok if other Magicians are variated; that is that it is ok to accept that others are not anti-vax, means that Isaac is not anti-vax even if he would no no longer be vaccinated for anything.

The thing is the DeVos family is probably ecstatic here with Isaac and his public pronouncments about "freedom".


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While also most likely being vaccinated (and one of the first in line back in Jan)... lol

But really, if your summary is how JI feels, that all just means JI is anti-vax even though JI wants to say he's not anti-vax.

[jonbob17]

Can someone summarize? I don't want this stuff to pop up in my YouTube recommends.

Seems like this is a religious podcast with some anti-MSM, Anti-left takes mixed in. So whatever that is. I wouldn't say conservative, but maybe some religious-right fodder.

He's sort of reinforced what he has said previously. I think he is blaming a lot of this mandate on the federal government, when this is local government, and league and union decisions, a union he fortunate to be a part of, but whatever. He also did add context to the BLM standing, which kind of contradicted, imo, some of what he said earlier.

He did say a couple more times that this basically as close to 100% free of death as possible. And that the vaccine doesn't stop spread or infection. He did bring up a good point, and said this was his Trump talk with Rolling Stone, that a lot of people were against the vaccine when Trump was in office and then everybody was for it when Biden took over. I think he is forgetting is that people were worried that it was being politicized as Trump was pressuring FDA to approve early so they could have the vaccine ready by the election (in order to help with re-election).

Whatever...he's entitled to his opinion, he is leaning into this with these type of appearances. I do think the Leftist Mob will take shots at him and that will push him over to the right. It's like we are living in Star Wars.

AND apparently he is going to have a book to sell....something like "Why I Stand"

[swarlesbarkley]

Can someone summarize? I don't want this stuff to pop up in my YouTube recommends.

Seems like this is a religious podcast with some anti-MSM, Anti-left takes mixed in. So whatever that is. I wouldn't say conservative, but maybe some religious-right fodder.

He's sort of reinforced what he has said previously. I think he is blaming a lot of this mandate on the federal government, when this is local government, and league and union decisions, a union he fortunate to be a part of, but whatever. He also did add context to the BLM standing, which kind of contradicted, imo, some of what he said earlier.

He did say a couple more times that this basically as close to 100% free of death as possible. And that the vaccine doesn't stop spread or infection. He did bring up a good point, and said this was his Trump talk with Rolling Stone, that a lot of people were against the vaccine when Trump was in office and then everybody was for it when Biden took over. I think he is forgetting is that people were worried that it was being politicized as Trump was pressuring FDA to approve early so they could have the vaccine ready by the election (in order to help with re-election).

Whatever...he's entitled to his opinion, he is leaning into this with these type of appearances. I do think the Leftist Mob will take shots at him and that will push him over to the right. It's like we are living in Star Wars.

AND apparently he is going to have a book to sell....something like "Why I Stand"

Appreciate the summary.

Edit: the book part makes this whole thing so obvious now.

[Ducklett]

Nearly everyone in the NBA, outside of the G-League dudes, are literally the wealthiest 1% in the world (You only need 9 mil BTW), they don't live in our reality.

Yes; I am an 1-percenter !

Wait a minute... so you are intelligent, extremely good looking, and rich? Are you Derek Zoolander?!

Well Uncle Scrooge, when are you taking us (or just me) out for dinner at The Wave?

[drsd]

AND apparently he is going to have a book to sell....something like "Why I Stand"

Is Isaac running for Congress or something????


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[Catledge]

I am emerging from my lurking to say this:

I'm psyched for the season. I'm not interested in anybody's realism. I'm going to desperately hope that the new coach is awesome, that Bamba suddenly blossoms, that Suggs wins ROY, that Isaac and Fultz stay healthy and play well, and that Ross and Harris both have career years.

Go Magic.

[tooler]

I am emerging from my lurking to say this:

I'm psyched for the season. I'm not interested in anybody's realism. I'm going to desperately hope that the new coach is awesome, that Bamba suddenly blossoms, that Suggs wins ROY, that Isaac and Fultz stay healthy and play well, and that Ross and Harris both have career years.

Go Magic.

And you used to be a big sourpuss realist. Maybe there's hope for pepe.