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[JRoy]

Brilliant analysis! You should be a RealGm!

Still waiting for you to defend the baseless claim that Brogdon is a better all around player than Simmons.

Is that all you’ve got?

Brogdon is a better all around player in the sense that he doesn't have any glaring weaknesses, unlike Simmons

That seems a better take, though I would counter that he seems to miss of games due to injuries and is a weak defensive player.

[Scoot McGroot]

Been pushing this for a while. LeVert is ideal for the sixers both as a starter and off the bench. Brogdon would fit the sixers as a starter too.

If Simmons is a Pacer then I think Turner or Sabonis with Lamb probably gets moved for CJ or Siakam as a trade base. That's just my prediction anyway.

Curious...why? I Simmons addition necessitates the move of Turner or Sabonis, wouldn't moving one of them for Siakam exacerbate the issue? We'd just be moving one PF/C for another PF? If Simmons causes an issue with the PF/C spots, trading a PF/C for another PF just doesn't appear to make sense to me, unless you plan on playing Siakam out of position as an oversized SF?

I don't see either Sabonis or Turner as guys that can guard SF and C, so having either play PF makes it tough to have flexibility defensively IMO. Simmons can be the 4 that can takes time at 3 and 5 and so can Siakam.

So, trade a 4 for a 4 because we acquired another 4 and would prefer another 4?

I get wanting Siakam. I just didn't understand the line of thought. If you want someone to guard the 3, why not trade for a 3? Why trade for another 4, just to ask him to play out of position as a 3? Or, if you're playing Simmons as the 3, Turner/Sabonis could still play the 4?

Again, just not following the line of thought to deal a 4 for another 4, because you acquired another guy that could play the 4.

[righterwriter]

Copying my thread in here (didn't realize there was a stickied Ben Simmons trade thread):

Simmons for Kyrie kind of makes too much sense, doesn't it?

Philly needs a PG and playmaker. The Nets could use a ball distributor who doesn't need shots and plays good defense. Their salaries are virtually the same, but Ben's contract is two years longer, although he's also not insane like Kyrie is so it's a better risk.

Unvaccinated Kyrie can still play in Philly according to their local and state laws.

https://ca.nba.com/news/faq-how-nba-teams-are-impacted-by-city-imposed-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/qzzx843c5ncs1jqdv718s2zi8


I think Brooklyn likely would be happier with this deal, considering what a headache Kyrie is, so some picks might need to get tossed in on their side. But Kyrie, even just healthy/sane for the playoffs, could be the difference maker for Philly and Embiid, and is certainly a better addition than some other ideas being passed around (including the possibility of them having nothing at all this season as Ben sticks to his holdout).

[doctor him]

Brilliant analysis! You should be a RealGm!

Still waiting for you to defend the baseless claim that Brogdon is a better all around player than Simmons.

Is that all you’ve got?

I'm not participating in this kind of thing. Brogdan is playing Ben is a head case holdout.

Will you feel the same if(when) Simmons is dealt to Indy for Brogdan/Lavert/#1(s)???

Or will you shift your narrative at that point?

I'm not calling you out per se, but I've seen it happen with others here who've relentlessly bashed a player UNTIL their team traded for him. Then the player instantly appeared to gain about 40% in value just by changing his zip code.

[toooskies]

Copying my thread in here (didn't realize there was a stickied Ben Simmons trade thread):

Simmons for Kyrie kind of makes too much sense, doesn't it?

Philly needs a PG and playmaker. The Nets could use a ball distributor who doesn't need shots and plays good defense. Their salaries are virtually the same, but Ben's contract is two years longer, although he's also not insane like Kyrie is so it's a better risk.

Unvaccinated Kyrie can still play in Philly according to their local and state laws.

https://ca.nba.com/news/faq-how-nba-teams-are-impacted-by-city-imposed-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/qzzx843c5ncs1jqdv718s2zi8


I think Brooklyn likely would be happier with this deal, considering what a headache Kyrie is, so some picks might need to get tossed in on their side. But Kyrie, even just healthy/sane for the playoffs, could be the difference maker for Philly and Embiid, and is certainly a better addition than some other ideas being passed around (including the possibility of them having nothing at all this season as Ben sticks to his holdout).

Kyrie might simply retire, although Philly is close enough to NYC for him to possibly try to make it work.

Simmons might not want to move from an offense that runs through one guy obviously better than him to an offense that runs through two guys obviously better than him.

Both teams won't want the other guy coming back to haunt them in the playoffs.

But yes, the on-court fit of the exchange for both teams would be great.

[Sportfan73]

Copying my thread in here (didn't realize there was a stickied Ben Simmons trade thread):

Simmons for Kyrie kind of makes too much sense, doesn't it?

Philly needs a PG and playmaker. The Nets could use a ball distributor who doesn't need shots and plays good defense. Their salaries are virtually the same, but Ben's contract is two years longer, although he's also not insane like Kyrie is so it's a better risk.

Unvaccinated Kyrie can still play in Philly according to their local and state laws.

https://ca.nba.com/news/faq-how-nba-teams-are-impacted-by-city-imposed-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/qzzx843c5ncs1jqdv718s2zi8


I think Brooklyn likely would be happier with this deal, considering what a headache Kyrie is, so some picks might need to get tossed in on their side. But Kyrie, even just healthy/sane for the playoffs, could be the difference maker for Philly and Embiid, and is certainly a better addition than some other ideas being passed around (including the possibility of them having nothing at all this season as Ben sticks to his holdout).

Kyrie might simply retire, although Philly is close enough to NYC for him to possibly try to make it work.

Simmons might not want to move from an offense that runs through one guy obviously better than him to an offense that runs through two guys obviously better than him.

Both teams won't want the other guy coming back to haunt them in the playoffs.

But yes, the on-court fit of the exchange for both teams would be great.

This to me seems like one of the rare times where the national media could create a narrative that actually materializes. Especially for kyrie, imagine the AI talk and comparisons, how much the city would love him coming from Simmons

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[jbk1234]

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I would think Philly would need a few picks to pull the trigger on this.

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[Jellybeans]

Shouldnt Indy flip Domas/Turner for something else if they get Ben?
Two big line up with Ben would be kinda weird

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I would think Philly would need a few picks to pull the trigger on this.

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Yeah probably would end like Ben/shake for Brogdon/levert and a couple protected firsts. Then you realistically could trade one of levert/Brogdon (2 years and like 18 mil per each) plus Maxey, Thybulle, and 5 firsts at the maximum for a star if it came available

[Sportfan73]

Shouldnt Indy flip Domas/Turner for something else if they get Ben?
Two big line up with Ben would be kinda weird

Screams San Antonio to me

[OutsidetheNBA]

PHI Out: Simmons
PHI In: Brogdon, LeVert, 2022 SA 1st (Top 10, 7, 5, 2 2nds)

Replace Simmons with a savvy 2-way veteran guard and a solid wing. Get an extra 1st for future trades.

IND Out: Brogdon, LeVert, Sabonis, Lamb
IND In: Simmons, Derrick White, Thad Young

Derrick White can replace some of what Brogdon did. Simmons is Simmons. Thad Young is a good back-up 5 and spot 4 who can shoot fell enough to play with Simmons. Indiana gets way under the tax.

SA Out: Derrick White, Thad Young, 2022 1st (Top 10, 7, 5, 2 2nds)
SA In: Sabonis, Lamb

Finally bring in a good big man at the cost of White (who seems unnecessary with K. Johnson, Vassell, Walker, and Primo vying for minutes), 1 year of Thad Young, and a 1st.

Does PHI need additional draft capital?

[Texas Chuck]

I don't have Derrick White returning Sabonis. Thad has minimal trade value and that 1st doesn't close the gap. Spurs are just sucking value out of the deal under the guise of fit for the Pacers.

[OutsidetheNBA]

I don't have Derrick White returning Sabonis. Thad has minimal trade value and that 1st doesn't close the gap. Spurs are just sucking value out of the deal under the guise of fit for the Pacers.

Do you think value is there for the Pacers?

In other words, does San Antonio need to send more value to the 76ers (another 1st?), or is it off for all three teams?

[Texas Chuck]

I don't have Derrick White returning Sabonis. Thad has minimal trade value and that 1st doesn't close the gap. Spurs are just sucking value out of the deal under the guise of fit for the Pacers.

Do you think value is there for the Pacers?

In other words, does San Antonio need to send more value to the 76ers (another 1st?), or is it off for all three teams?

I wouldn't trade Simmons for LeVert/Brogdon and one protected first. But I understand Simmons values are all over the place right now.

Which is why I focused on the inclusion of the Spurs which I feel just sucks value away from the Pacers. Derrick White is a decent player, but he's not the centerpiece of a Sabonis trade.

[OutsidetheNBA]

I don't have Derrick White returning Sabonis. Thad has minimal trade value and that 1st doesn't close the gap. Spurs are just sucking value out of the deal under the guise of fit for the Pacers.

Do you think value is there for the Pacers?

In other words, does San Antonio need to send more value to the 76ers (another 1st?), or is it off for all three teams?

I wouldn't trade Simmons for LeVert/Brogdon and one protected first. But I understand Simmons values are all over the place right now.

Which is why I focused on the inclusion of the Spurs which I feel just sucks value away from the Pacers. Derrick White is a decent player, but he's not the centerpiece of a Sabonis trade.

I gotcha. I think Brogdon + LeVert + 1-2 1sts is about the right value for Simmons. So I see the Sabonis piece as Sabonis + Lamb (cap savings) for Derrick White, Thad Young, and a 1st rounder not sent to the 76ers.

[BlazersBroncos]

Sabonis really improved his 3PT shot last season. If he can build on that, there isnt a reason IND couldnt run Simmons / Turner / Sabonis. In fact, I like that lineup.

In terms of 'position defended' minutes distribution, I like this:

G - Justin Holiday (24) / TJ McConnell (24)
G - Chris Duarte (28) / Jeremy Lamb (20)
F - Ben Simmons (28) / Torrey Craig (20)
F - Myles Turner (14) / TJ Warren (30) / Ben Simmons (4)
C - Domantas Sabonis (32) / Myles Turner (16)

[Scoot McGroot]

Sabonis really improved his 3PT shot last season. If he can build on that, there isnt a reason IND couldnt run Simmons / Turner / Sabonis. In fact, I like that lineup.

In terms of 'position defended' minutes distribution, I like this:

G - Justin Holiday (24) / TJ McConnell (24)
G - Chris Duarte (28) / Jeremy Lamb (20)
F - Ben Simmons (28) / Torrey Craig (20)
F - Myles Turner (14) / TJ Warren (30) / Ben Simmons (4)
C - Domantas Sabonis (32) / Myles Turner (16)

Justin Holiday hasn't ever really guarded PG's. It's definitely not his wheelhouse. He could, and would, try, but he's more guarded the 4 MUCH more than he's guarded the 1, in Indy.

Realistically, you'd have to plan on Simmons guarding the small, quick guards, with Duarte and Justin being undersized to handle big wings. Realistically, you'd have to start Warren at the 3 (which, if healthy, you should anyway), and Simmons would still be the 1.

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I would say he’s definitely more than just a podcast guy. Not someone like woj or even stein level but not a guy who breaks anything that’s crazy or untrue ever. Most of the nba stuff he breaks seems to be Klutch oriented. I think it is enough to at least indicate the smoke and interest is legit