Training camp 2021

[Old_Blue]

Wiggins said he's concerned about long-term effects of vaccine including gene modifications.

When exactly did watching "I Am Legend" become a substitute for taking a single effing science class? Is this like the newfangled math? Seriously, reading Wiggins' quote makes me want to both laugh and cry...

“I noticed a lot of people were getting reactions or injuries from getting the vaccination,” Wiggins said via the San Francisco Chronicle. “Also, I don’t know what it’s going to do to me in 10 years. Gene damage. There’s no studies on whether it’s going to cause cancerous cells.

“I don’t know what it’s going to do to my body. There’s a lot of stuff. I feel like I could go on for days about why I didn’t want to get it. Most importantly, I don’t know what’s going to happen or what it’s going to do to my body in 10, 15 years, 20 years. What it will do to my kids or my future kids. But I guess it’s something I had to get done.”

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/andrew-wiggins-on-getting-covid-19-vaccine-its-not-something-i-wanted-to-do-134628756.html

[FNQ]

I don't think we watched the same game at all.

Played good defense (best among the wings/forwards), looked like the best ball-mover we've got, and even handled the ball alright in a somewhat limited capacity. The only negative was the shooting (I mean, if you're genuinely concerned he's entirely lost his shot, maybe there's something to be worried about, but I don't think that's a reasonable concern).

Clearly we didn't... JTA played the scrambler role instead of Iguodala, meaning he's the one moving all over the court like Wiggins used to. And he's fine at that. He's an ok passer and ok handler. But his shot is, and always was, a mirage. He has erratic form, and when he goes from range he misses left-right more than long-short. That'd be fine for a pull-up guy, but hes exclusively catch and shoot.

You cant play this guy long minutes with Iguodala. OPJ, despite being slower, can dribble, finish, get to the line.. JTA is a perimeter passer who doesn't stop the ball. That's great, but its not unique on this team. He got a lot of assists, but those tend to be randomized in good ball sharing offenses (Bjelica had 6). I get that he's a nice story and easy to root for, but if you think he's better than OPJ right now.. thats way too far. If he supplants Iguodala, great, give him minutes. But if not, you're basically asking Poole, OPJ, and whoever's our C (Bjelica/Wiseman?) to score almost all the points off the bench. Teams will key in on that and dare both him and Iguodala to shoot, and that's bad news for us.

Guy scores 0 in 22 minutes of an uptempo game, wasnt even close on his misses, and I'm being told that he's the best forward on the team besides Dray.. I'm not really worried about what's reasonable in your eyes right now. You've got it bad for this guy..

Do you care about anything other than shooting/scoring?

I feel like I've kinda given the reason why its important

Its not who he is.. and being a scoring liability, which he is, means its going to be hard for him to get into the rotation while Iguodala is healthy/better. This was true well before the game was played, was just hoping the shot mechanics would have gotten better. Rushed his 1st 3 and airballed it, and then was inaccurate the rest of the way. Not unlike last season. He'd do fine if we had a ton of creators giving him wide open looks (IE - playing with Steph and the starters) but thats unlikely to be the case this year.

[FNQ]

Wiggins said he's concerned about long-term effects of vaccine including gene modifications.

When exactly did watching "I Am Legend" become a substitute for taking a single effing science class? Is this like the newfangled math? Seriously, reading Wiggins' quote makes me want to both laugh and cry...

“I noticed a lot of people were getting reactions or injuries from getting the vaccination,” Wiggins said via the San Francisco Chronicle. “Also, I don’t know what it’s going to do to me in 10 years. Gene damage. There’s no studies on whether it’s going to cause cancerous cells.

“I don’t know what it’s going to do to my body. There’s a lot of stuff. I feel like I could go on for days about why I didn’t want to get it. Most importantly, I don’t know what’s going to happen or what it’s going to do to my body in 10, 15 years, 20 years. What it will do to my kids or my future kids. But I guess it’s something I had to get done.”

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/andrew-wiggins-on-getting-covid-19-vaccine-its-not-something-i-wanted-to-do-134628756.html

He got the vaccine and he's not gonna campaign against it.. he seems way too introverted to do that. But obviously he's not a guy you want to go to for medical or scientific advice. As long he plays defense hard for the next 2 years, he can believe whatever nonsense he wants

[WarriorGM]

JTA has been a good Iguodala stand-in last year. Still very useful even with Iguodala back since Dre's older. Juan may have been missing his shots but he was still +15 for the game, third behind Poole and Looney. Kuminga and Moody will need to improve and show they are better to earn a larger role. They should have trial runs with Curry though to see how they work with him. It's a good problem to have.

[Impuniti]

I still think Iggy can play the 3 and the 1 next to Poole until Klay is back at least. JTA should still be able to get game time and play with Iggy on the court.

[Onus]

JTA's role as a 3rd string 3 or 4 is perfect for him. He doesn't need to play every game. He'll get plenty of time throughout the year as Dala is old and Otto is oft injured. The question is when does Kuminga jump him for playing time?

[Scoots1994]

Wiggins said he's concerned about long-term effects of vaccine including gene modifications.

When exactly did watching "I Am Legend" become a substitute for taking a single effing science class? Is this like the newfangled math? Seriously, reading Wiggins' quote makes me want to both laugh and cry...

“I noticed a lot of people were getting reactions or injuries from getting the vaccination,” Wiggins said via the San Francisco Chronicle. “Also, I don’t know what it’s going to do to me in 10 years. Gene damage. There’s no studies on whether it’s going to cause cancerous cells.

“I don’t know what it’s going to do to my body. There’s a lot of stuff. I feel like I could go on for days about why I didn’t want to get it. Most importantly, I don’t know what’s going to happen or what it’s going to do to my body in 10, 15 years, 20 years. What it will do to my kids or my future kids. But I guess it’s something I had to get done.”

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/andrew-wiggins-on-getting-covid-19-vaccine-its-not-something-i-wanted-to-do-134628756.html

Can we let this story go now please?

[watch1958]

The vaccine thread was closed for a reason. Nothing Warriors basketball related left to say.

[FNQ]

I still think Iggy can play the 3 and the 1 next to Poole until Klay is back at least. JTA should still be able to get game time and play with Iggy on the court.

We don’t do defense like that.. there’s no 1s, 3s. There’s the spot up defender (the Curry), the on-ball defender (the Klay/Oubre/Wiggins), and the scrambler (Barnes/Durant/Wiggins). Since Poole absolutely has to be earmarked for the Curry role, it would all hinge on the aged Iguodala being a good enough on-ball defender to allow JTA to scramble..

But the main reason it won’t work is offense. You’d be depending on a now-starting Jordan Poole (or Wiggins) or 38 year old Iguodala to create all the offense, and you’d have 2 perimeter players who can’t shoot well, letting guards/wings collapse in the paint more. We’ll be entirely perimeter-based on offense with very questionable rebounding and interior defense

[wco81]

Wiggins said he's concerned about long-term effects of vaccine including gene modifications.

When exactly did watching "I Am Legend" become a substitute for taking a single effing science class? Is this like the newfangled math? Seriously, reading Wiggins' quote makes me want to both laugh and cry...

“I noticed a lot of people were getting reactions or injuries from getting the vaccination,” Wiggins said via the San Francisco Chronicle. “Also, I don’t know what it’s going to do to me in 10 years. Gene damage. There’s no studies on whether it’s going to cause cancerous cells.

“I don’t know what it’s going to do to my body. There’s a lot of stuff. I feel like I could go on for days about why I didn’t want to get it. Most importantly, I don’t know what’s going to happen or what it’s going to do to my body in 10, 15 years, 20 years. What it will do to my kids or my future kids. But I guess it’s something I had to get done.”

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/andrew-wiggins-on-getting-covid-19-vaccine-its-not-something-i-wanted-to-do-134628756.html

I would think he's had all the other vaccinations when he was a child, in order to go to school.

I don't know why the reporters don't ask him about how he seems fine despite getting vaccines 10-20 years ago.

[ShootersShoot]

Clearly we didn't... JTA played the scrambler role instead of Iguodala, meaning he's the one moving all over the court like Wiggins used to. And he's fine at that. He's an ok passer and ok handler. But his shot is, and always was, a mirage. He has erratic form, and when he goes from range he misses left-right more than long-short. That'd be fine for a pull-up guy, but hes exclusively catch and shoot.

You cant play this guy long minutes with Iguodala. OPJ, despite being slower, can dribble, finish, get to the line.. JTA is a perimeter passer who doesn't stop the ball. That's great, but its not unique on this team. He got a lot of assists, but those tend to be randomized in good ball sharing offenses (Bjelica had 6). I get that he's a nice story and easy to root for, but if you think he's better than OPJ right now.. thats way too far. If he supplants Iguodala, great, give him minutes. But if not, you're basically asking Poole, OPJ, and whoever's our C (Bjelica/Wiseman?) to score almost all the points off the bench. Teams will key in on that and dare both him and Iguodala to shoot, and that's bad news for us.

Guy scores 0 in 22 minutes of an uptempo game, wasnt even close on his misses, and I'm being told that he's the best forward on the team besides Dray.. I'm not really worried about what's reasonable in your eyes right now. You've got it bad for this guy..

Do you care about anything other than shooting/scoring?

I feel like I've kinda given the reason why its important

Its not who he is.. and being a scoring liability, which he is, means its going to be hard for him to get into the rotation while Iguodala is healthy/better. This was true well before the game was played, was just hoping the shot mechanics would have gotten better. Rushed his 1st 3 and airballed it, and then was inaccurate the rest of the way. Not unlike last season. He'd do fine if we had a ton of creators giving him wide open looks (IE - playing with Steph and the starters) but thats unlikely to be the case this year.

JTA has won me over for having him on the roster, but he is a third string big at best in the nba. Personally would rather see OPJ get back up PF minutes and would rather see Beli at C than JTA at either of those spots. Love JTA's hustle and passion though. He's like a poor man's draymond.

[Impuniti]

I still think Iggy can play the 3 and the 1 next to Poole until Klay is back at least. JTA should still be able to get game time and play with Iggy on the court.

We don’t do defense like that.. there’s no 1s, 3s. There’s the spot up defender (the Curry), the on-ball defender (the Klay/Oubre/Wiggins), and the scrambler (Barnes/Durant/Wiggins). Since Poole absolutely has to be earmarked for the Curry role, it would all hinge on the aged Iguodala being a good enough on-ball defender to allow JTA to scramble..

But the main reason it won’t work is offense. You’d be depending on a now-starting Jordan Poole (or Wiggins) or 38 year old Iguodala to create all the offense, and you’d have 2 perimeter players who can’t shoot well, letting guards/wings collapse in the paint more. We’ll be entirely perimeter-based on offense with very questionable rebounding and interior defense

3 of those guys can be spot up shooters, what do you mean it can't work? A lot would depend on who the 5 is.

You can add whatever titles you want for the players. The roles even though players are more dynamic and interchangable than most teams, will play them, such as 1 or 3. Iggy and Poole work as a primary ball handler and secondary, with JTA being the 3rd guy if those two are getting marked for some possessions. Wiggins and Poole are the iso scorers. A lot of these hopes hinge on what type of level Poole can play at. Either way this is one version of the B team, thankfully the FO did their job where Kerr can adjust lineups based on form and opposition.

[FNQ]

I still think Iggy can play the 3 and the 1 next to Poole until Klay is back at least. JTA should still be able to get game time and play with Iggy on the court.

We don’t do defense like that.. there’s no 1s, 3s. There’s the spot up defender (the Curry), the on-ball defender (the Klay/Oubre/Wiggins), and the scrambler (Barnes/Durant/Wiggins). Since Poole absolutely has to be earmarked for the Curry role, it would all hinge on the aged Iguodala being a good enough on-ball defender to allow JTA to scramble..

But the main reason it won’t work is offense. You’d be depending on a now-starting Jordan Poole (or Wiggins) or 38 year old Iguodala to create all the offense, and you’d have 2 perimeter players who can’t shoot well, letting guards/wings collapse in the paint more. We’ll be entirely perimeter-based on offense with very questionable rebounding and interior defense

3 of those guys can be spot up shooters, what do you mean it can't work? A lot would depend on who the 5 is.

You can add whatever titles you want for the players. The roles even though players are more dynamic and interchangable than most teams, will play them, such as 1 or 3. Iggy and Poole work as a primary ball handler and secondary, with JTA being the 3rd guy if those two are getting marked for some possessions. Wiggins and Poole are the iso scorers. A lot of these hopes hinge on what type of level Poole can play at. Either way this is one version of the B team, thankfully the FO did their job where Kerr can adjust lineups based on form and opposition.

And then the offense runs entirely though Poole, who’s also starting, and a 38 year old who’s on his last legs. And again, entirely perimeter based. Not the own you seem to think it is. Also insanely generous (if you meant it) to call JTA a spot up shooter when he’s way closer to needing to be Draymond level open to be good - he was 31.2% (27% career) when he takes longer than 2 seconds between control of ball and release of jumper - 2 seconds being the standard for C&S players. Pair that with bad, inconsistent form and there’s a very obvious reason he takes less than 2 3s in 20mpg in our system.. he can’t do volume.

We’ll be a very predictable and inconsistent backup squad if JTA is locked into a role with Iguodala.. one that better make most of its shots because there will be little OREB to boot.

[FNQ]

Do you care about anything other than shooting/scoring?

I feel like I've kinda given the reason why its important

Its not who he is.. and being a scoring liability, which he is, means its going to be hard for him to get into the rotation while Iguodala is healthy/better. This was true well before the game was played, was just hoping the shot mechanics would have gotten better. Rushed his 1st 3 and airballed it, and then was inaccurate the rest of the way. Not unlike last season. He'd do fine if we had a ton of creators giving him wide open looks (IE - playing with Steph and the starters) but thats unlikely to be the case this year.

JTA has won me over for having him on the roster, but he is a third string big at best in the nba. Personally would rather see OPJ get back up PF minutes and would rather see Beli at C than JTA at either of those spots. Love JTA's hustle and passion though. He's like a poor man's draymond.

They’re gonna Lin this guy.. we never learn. Latch on to a nice story and then completely overrate what they are

He’s a great spark plug if we can’t get anything going with the regular rotation, just like last year when Oubre and the Cs went down.. throwing him into a lineup that’s going to have serious creation/rebounding issues abs will be very perimeter oriented is gonna be a crapshoot every night

[watch1958]

Just saw Andre interview. He said Wiseman is the guy he is most excited about playing with.

[Outside]

Just saw Andre interview. He said Wiseman is the guy he is most excited about playing with.

It can be hard to tell if Andre is imparting wisdom or just messing with you. He's really good at both.

[watch1958]

Just saw Andre interview. He said Wiseman is the guy he is most excited about playing with.

It can be hard to tell if Andre is imparting wisdom or just messing with you. He's really good at both.

I think he meant it, but it was in the context of development & potential. Not in terms of Wiseman contributing big at the start of the season.

I just liked seeing that Andre was bullish on Wiseman's future.

[Scoots1994]

Wiggins said he's concerned about long-term effects of vaccine including gene modifications.

When exactly did watching "I Am Legend" become a substitute for taking a single effing science class? Is this like the newfangled math? Seriously, reading Wiggins' quote makes me want to both laugh and cry...

“I noticed a lot of people were getting reactions or injuries from getting the vaccination,” Wiggins said via the San Francisco Chronicle. “Also, I don’t know what it’s going to do to me in 10 years. Gene damage. There’s no studies on whether it’s going to cause cancerous cells.

“I don’t know what it’s going to do to my body. There’s a lot of stuff. I feel like I could go on for days about why I didn’t want to get it. Most importantly, I don’t know what’s going to happen or what it’s going to do to my body in 10, 15 years, 20 years. What it will do to my kids or my future kids. But I guess it’s something I had to get done.”

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/andrew-wiggins-on-getting-covid-19-vaccine-its-not-something-i-wanted-to-do-134628756.html

I would think he's had all the other vaccinations when he was a child, in order to go to school.

I don't know why the reporters don't ask him about how he seems fine despite getting vaccines 10-20 years ago.

I guess some of us can't let it go.

[watch1958]

Watch on YouTube

Kerith did a nice interview with Andre.

[Scoots1994]

I feel like I've kinda given the reason why its important

Its not who he is.. and being a scoring liability, which he is, means its going to be hard for him to get into the rotation while Iguodala is healthy/better. This was true well before the game was played, was just hoping the shot mechanics would have gotten better. Rushed his 1st 3 and airballed it, and then was inaccurate the rest of the way. Not unlike last season. He'd do fine if we had a ton of creators giving him wide open looks (IE - playing with Steph and the starters) but thats unlikely to be the case this year.

JTA has won me over for having him on the roster, but he is a third string big at best in the nba. Personally would rather see OPJ get back up PF minutes and would rather see Beli at C than JTA at either of those spots. Love JTA's hustle and passion though. He's like a poor man's draymond.

They’re gonna Lin this guy.. we never learn. Latch on to a nice story and then completely overrate what they are

He’s a great spark plug if we can’t get anything going with the regular rotation, just like last year when Oubre and the Cs went down.. throwing him into a lineup that’s going to have serious creation/rebounding issues abs will be very perimeter oriented is gonna be a crapshoot every night

Hitting 40% of his 3s makes him more useful even if he's not special.