NBA protocols/Covid/Vaccine - Discussion thread

[infinite11285]

I don't even understand the logic of mandating any vaccine that doesn't prevent infection or transmission.

This was never about public health - none of it makes sense. If it was, Canada's government would allow those with antibodies the same freedoms that the vaccinated have, considering that antibodies offer significantly more protection than the vaccine (this has been proven and confirmed). But that's not the case. Anybody with half a brain should be asking questions right now.

Have either of you consulted with your respective doctors? They would be the best source to alleviate any confusion that you may have.

[jg77]

Just no...that's simply beyond not true.

So you can guarantee 100% to all the unvaxxed that they won't face any issues down the road from the vax?

There's nothing here that is new about these vaccines that there isn't 20+ years of research on.

You didn't answer my question.

[Da ThRONe]

I don't even understand the logic of mandating any vaccine that doesn't prevent infection or transmission.

This was never about public health - none of it makes sense. If it was, Canada's government would allow those with antibodies the same freedoms that the vaccinated have, considering that antibodies offer significantly more protection than the vaccine (this has been proven and confirmed). But that's not the case. Anybody with half a brain should be asking questions right now.

They are promoting the idea that the only way we can get over this pandemic is to take a vaccine that doesn't stop the pandemic only prevent severe disease at best.

[Da ThRONe]

I don't even understand the logic of mandating any vaccine that doesn't prevent infection or transmission.

This was never about public health - none of it makes sense. If it was, Canada's government would allow those with antibodies the same freedoms that the vaccinated have, considering that antibodies offer significantly more protection than the vaccine (this has been proven and confirmed). But that's not the case. Anybody with half a brain should be asking questions right now.

Have either of you consulted with your respective doctors? They would be the best source to alleviate any confusion that you may have.

No, but I fail to see why it's necessary. Who is refuting the point that these vaccine weren't even made to prevent infection and they fail to do so at a high enough rate given all the data we have available to us. I don't need a Dr. to point out the obvious.

[TheHartBreakKid]

This was never about public health - none of it makes sense. If it was, Canada's government would allow those with antibodies the same freedoms that the vaccinated have, considering that antibodies offer significantly more protection than the vaccine (this has been proven and confirmed). But that's not the case. Anybody with half a brain should be asking questions right now.

Have either of you consulted with your respective doctors? They would be the best source to alleviate any confusion that you may have.

No, but I fail to see why it's necessary. Who is refuting the point that these vaccine weren't even made to prevent infection and they fail to do so at a high enough rate given all the data we have available to us. I don't need a Dr. to point out the obvious.

Can you please share any of this data that you are referring to? No disrespect, I just want to learn. I would love to see it

[dhsilv2]

So you can guarantee 100% to all the unvaxxed that they won't face any issues down the road from the vax?

There's nothing here that is new about these vaccines that there isn't 20+ years of research on.

You didn't answer my question.

You didn't ask a real question.

These vaccines have nothing even slightly different to them that would lead to differences in products with 20+ years of research. If you want to know the long term risk of each vaccine you can research other vaccines. That data is readily available. You're however trying to imply these are radically different from both getting covid and/or other vaccines. And frankly nothing could be further from the truth.

[Roco14]

I don't even understand the logic of mandating any vaccine that doesn't prevent infection or transmission.

This was never about public health - none of it makes sense. If it was, Canada's government would allow those with antibodies the same freedoms that the vaccinated have, considering that antibodies offer significantly more protection than the vaccine (this has been proven and confirmed). But that's not the case. Anybody with half a brain should be asking questions right now.

Have either of you consulted with your respective doctors? They would be the best source to alleviate any confusion that you may have.

I think you misunderstood the question. We understand why vaccines are made and why they can offer better protection under certain circumstances, etc. etc.

What we don't understand is the political side of things - why would it be mandated when it doesn't prevent transmission? We can all catch it and spread it - vaxxed, unvaxxed, anitbodies, no antibodies... The laws make absolutely zero sense at this moment in time.

If the vaccine actually did what vaccines are supposed to do (which is prevent infection and transmission *almost* entirely), then it would make sense... This vaccine doesn't offer immunity

[infinite11285]

Call me, when you boycot EVERY SINGLE medical drug and vaccine

Every single big pharmaceutical drug isn't being forced on you. Call me when it is.

No one is being held down and given a vaccine against their will. No one is being “forced” to get any vaccine (unless you’re in the military).

[dhsilv2]

This was never about public health - none of it makes sense. If it was, Canada's government would allow those with antibodies the same freedoms that the vaccinated have, considering that antibodies offer significantly more protection than the vaccine (this has been proven and confirmed). But that's not the case. Anybody with half a brain should be asking questions right now.

Have either of you consulted with your respective doctors? They would be the best source to alleviate any confusion that you may have.

No, but I fail to see why it's necessary. Who is refuting the point that these vaccine weren't even made to prevent infection and they fail to do so at a high enough rate given all the data we have available to us. I don't need a Dr. to point out the obvious.

Not to argue, but vaccines don't prevent infection. Never have and never will. That isn't what a vaccine is. They reduce the risk of infection. That's what they are for and do. I'm not aware of anyone having ever said a vaccine would prevent anything. Prevent isn't a word that can or has ever been used.

[lambchop]

Drinking a crapload of booze regulary
Consuming a crapload of sugar
Driving around in a car with crappy breaks, not functioning airbag because you spent ur money somewhere else
Your guns flying around in night drawers etc because you cant afford a safw

"but but the vaccine is maaaaybe not save and maayybe with longterm effects"

Definitely true. For whatever reason nobody is talking about the obesity pandemic and how that relates to sugar consumption and booze etc. There would be very little pressure on ICUs if everyone lived health and the only people in there were unvaxxed pro athletes.

[jg77]

There's nothing here that is new about these vaccines that there isn't 20+ years of research on.

You didn't answer my question.

You didn't ask a real question.

These vaccines have nothing even slightly different to them that would lead to differences in products with 20+ years of research. If you want to know the long term risk of each vaccine you can research other vaccines. That data is readily available. You're however trying to imply these are radically different from both getting covid and/or other vaccines. And frankly nothing could be further from the truth.

You just said it's not true that any long term effects could happen. So I am asking you can you guarantee that nothing will happen down the road from taking this vax? But looks you can't so that says all I need to know.

[12footrim]

Also, anyone telling you not to worry about long term side effects is being dishonest. You really just don't know. Something easily could come up 5 years from now.

We'll we know for a fact people are already living with debilitating long term side effects from covid, even young people that survive.

That's understood. But covid hits some of us like a minor cold and nothing more.

You are talking about mostly rare (like clots that are way higher with covid) or hypothetical side affects of a vaccine though when we know for a fact about long term side affects of Covid are pretty high and that's if it doesn't kill you which it does a lot of people. One of the latest studies says 25% deal with after affects even asymptomatic cases ones, I've read 2/3's of asymptomatic have some lung scaring and other issues of long covid.

https://time.com/6073522/long-covid-prevalence/

I had a breakthrough case of Covid/Delta myself and I got a lot sicker than most people that have breakthroughs (fever, cough, chills etc). All I can said is I feel very fortunate I had the vaccine and have suffered no known longterm affects and bounced back quicker than my unvaccinated friend that also got it at the same time and still has issues. I really believe if I didn't have the vaccine it could have put me in the hospital and I'm a pretty slim 42 guy with no known health issues and I got sicker even vaccinate than my 89 year old grandma who got it in January before she could be vaccinated. You just never know how it will affect you and many people I'm sure have regretted gambling on the odds and expecting a cold like case when they are in the hospital or dying.

[michaelm]

Also, anyone telling you not to worry about long term side effects is being dishonest. You really just don't know. Something easily could come up 5 years from now.

Like what ?. No components of the mRNA vaccines are around long term.

[infinite11285]

You didn't answer my question.

You didn't ask a real question.

These vaccines have nothing even slightly different to them that would lead to differences in products with 20+ years of research. If you want to know the long term risk of each vaccine you can research other vaccines. That data is readily available. You're however trying to imply these are radically different from both getting covid and/or other vaccines. And frankly nothing could be further from the truth.

You just said it's not true that any long term effects could happen. So I am asking you can you guarantee that nothing will happen down the road from taking this vax? But looks you can't so that says all I need to know.

The answer is no; that's like trying to guarantee to someone that they won't end up in a car accident if they decide to take a trip to the store.

The real questions are the likelihood and severity of any experienced side-effect. 6.4B COVID various vaccine doses have been administered worldwide over the last year or so, and an overwhelming number of individuals have experienced insignificant side effects if any at all. On the flip side, contracting COVID has shown to present some nasty long-term side effects, for some. Speaking for myself, I felt like crap after the second Moderna dose for about a day. Aside from that, my experience has been painless, fortunately.

[Gusto1903]

People outchere forgetting that Corona Viruses exist for longer than the pandemic lol. These things have been researched on for like 20 years. The research picked up pace, when there was a pandemic out there and there was a global effort for the research. So yeah, you can trust these vaccines as much as your mandatory vaccines if you visit Thailand or Bali or Australia lol

[Fo-Real]

I don't even understand the logic of mandating any vaccine that doesn't prevent infection or transmission.

This was never about public health - none of it makes sense. If it was, Canada's government would allow those with antibodies the same freedoms that the vaccinated have, considering that antibodies offer significantly more protection than the vaccine (this has been proven and confirmed). But that's not the case. Anybody with half a brain should be asking questions right now.

Have either of you consulted with your respective doctors? They would be the best source to alleviate any confusion that you may have.

Lol

[Fo-Real]

Call me, when you boycot EVERY SINGLE medical drug and vaccine

Every single big pharmaceutical drug isn't being forced on you. Call me when it is.

No one is being held down and given a vaccine against their will. No one is being “forced” to get any vaccine (unless you’re in the military).

Well no, but Harvey Weinstein didn't force starlets into sex, just let them know that it was required for employment. You want a career, you gotta play the game.... or go find another way to feed your family. If one isn't rape then the other isn't. But I'm sure this isn't supposed to be talked about in a place like this anyway.

[jg77]

You didn't ask a real question.

These vaccines have nothing even slightly different to them that would lead to differences in products with 20+ years of research. If you want to know the long term risk of each vaccine you can research other vaccines. That data is readily available. You're however trying to imply these are radically different from both getting covid and/or other vaccines. And frankly nothing could be further from the truth.

You just said it's not true that any long term effects could happen. So I am asking you can you guarantee that nothing will happen down the road from taking this vax? But looks you can't so that says all I need to know.

The answer is no; that's like trying to guarantee to someone that they won't end up in a car accident if they decide to take a trip to the store.

The real questions are the likelihood and severity of any experienced side-effect. 6.4B COVID various vaccine doses have been administered worldwide over the last year or so, and an overwhelming number of individuals have experienced insignificant side effects if any at all. On the flip side, contracting COVID has shown to present some nasty long-term side effects, for some. Speaking for myself, I felt like crap after the second Moderna dose for about a day. Aside from that, my experience has been painless, fortunately.

Seeing how the survival rate of covid is 99.98% that's why most are passing on this vax. Nobody can guarantee they won't get a long term side effect from covid but also can't guarantee they won't get a long term side effect from the vax. I can live with my own decision but what I can't do is live with someone making the decision for me.

[ag3]

I don't even understand the logic of mandating any vaccine that doesn't prevent infection or transmission.

This was never about public health - none of it makes sense. If it was, Canada's government would allow those with antibodies the same freedoms that the vaccinated have, considering that antibodies offer significantly more protection than the vaccine (this has been proven and confirmed). But that's not the case. Anybody with half a brain should be asking questions right now.

They are promoting the idea that the only way we can get over this pandemic is to take a vaccine that doesn't stop the pandemic only prevent severe disease at best.

Nonsense. Newest data has the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine with a 60-70% efficacy at stopping symptomatic infection at month 7. Months 1-5 over 85%. Saying it doesn't stop any transmission is a bold face lie.It has a higher efficacy than the flu vaccine and similar to the Rubella vaccine (MMR series).

And on top of that new peer reviewed data from yesterday has the vaccine efficacy against hospitalizations at 90-95%. Even at month 8.

[ag3]

You just said it's not true that any long term effects could happen. So I am asking you can you guarantee that nothing will happen down the road from taking this vax? But looks you can't so that says all I need to know.

The answer is no; that's like trying to guarantee to someone that they won't end up in a car accident if they decide to take a trip to the store.

The real questions are the likelihood and severity of any experienced side-effect. 6.4B COVID various vaccine doses have been administered worldwide over the last year or so, and an overwhelming number of individuals have experienced insignificant side effects if any at all. On the flip side, contracting COVID has shown to present some nasty long-term side effects, for some. Speaking for myself, I felt like crap after the second Moderna dose for about a day. Aside from that, my experience has been painless, fortunately.

Seeing how the survival rate of covid is 99.98% that's why most are passing on this vax. Nobody can guarantee they won't get a long term side effect from covid but also can't guarantee they won't get a long term side effect from the vax. I can live with my own decision but what I can't do is live with someone making the decision for me.

Most people are passing on the vaccine? 78% of USA adults are vaccinated. In the northeast, over 85% of adults are. 94% of age 65+ are vaccinated in the USA as well. Just because you are anti-vaxx, doesn't mean "most people" are. The unvaxxed adults are a major outlier in the USA.

And you ignore hospitalization rates. Covid hospitalizes about 10% of people. If you want to spend 2 weeks in the hospital, enjoy. The vaccine cuts that by 90-95%.