Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Grayson Extended - 2/$20 million

[leroyjw10]

I'd go 4/36 max for Donte. He's a fine role player, but won't ever be anything more than that. Being on the Bucks makes him look better than he actually is.

I don't think you realize how low of a contract 4/36 is in today's NBA. That just isn't happening.

No, I'm fully aware of that contract's value. That's just what I think he's worth. If he wants more, then he should go get it somewhere else. Bucks ownership isn't shelling out $15M/year for an oft-injured role player they just won the championship without. Plus, there are a handful of Dontes in every draft. He's replaceable at a much lower price tag.

[Ron Swanson]

Donte's a better player than Caruso, so I don't think his deal is a realistic benchmark. I think him and his agent ask for Gary Trent money (3-yrs $54 mil). If he wants that 4th year it's gonna have to be a lower salary or a team option.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

imo ideal sitch with DDV is to play him all the way out this year and then do him like we did brogdon. trade him for a nice big trade exception and some mediocre draft ammo which we have none of. do this after we wear out the last bit of his body on this years run.

whats nuts is i was a ddv whore this time last year. but when a grenade goes off in a guys foot and we win a title with him on a scooter...... i just dont see how that doesnt change a teams psyche moving forward

[raferfenix]

How do we think the Bucks are approaching the potential for us to fall into the repeater tax?

It triggers if a team pays the tax in three out of four seasons.

Unless we trade one of our big 3 for mostly cap space our role players are going to become that much more expensive if we end up in that zone.

[raferfenix]

imo ideal sitch with DDV is to play him all the way out this year and then do him like we did brogdon. trade him for a nice big trade exception and some mediocre draft ammo which we have none of. do this after we wear out the last bit of his body on this years run.

Depending on what we could trade Donte for before the deadline, I could see this being what we do.

That's especially if Allen seizes the starting 2 spot.

Donte would be a very valuable 6th man for us but other teams are likely to be willing to pay him like a starter, and he'd be that much more expensive if we end up in the repeater tax.

That and if he has an injury at the wrong time all of a sudden he isn't the easiest guy to trade for cap savings.

[SupremeHustle]

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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

imo ideal sitch with DDV is to play him all the way out this year and then do him like we did brogdon. trade him for a nice big trade exception and some mediocre draft ammo which we have none of. do this after we wear out the last bit of his body on this years run.

Depending on what we could trade Donte for before the deadline, I could see this being what we do.

That's especially if Allen seizes the starting 2 spot.

Donte would be a very valuable 6th man for us but other teams are likely to be willing to pay him like a starter, and he'd be that much more expensive if we end up in the repeater tax.

That and if he has an injury at the wrong time all of a sudden he isn't the easiest guy to trade for cap savings.

we need him for that brooklyn series. there isnt anybody else id trade him for that would be more valuable for that series. on a rookie scale deal hes a massive asset against them. at 4/80 give me a break

[skones]

That jumper looks like it actually has some fluidity through his legs and hips.

[Jez2983]

That jumper looks like it actually has some fluidity through his legs and hips.

His gather still looks slow but that looks more natural than I've seen. I suppose it does take some time to bring the ball up when you are extremely massive.

[theFireBlanket]

imo ideal sitch with DDV is to play him all the way out this year and then do him like we did brogdon. trade him for a nice big trade exception and some mediocre draft ammo which we have none of. do this after we wear out the last bit of his body on this years run.

whats nuts is i was a ddv whore this time last year. but when a grenade goes off in a guys foot and we win a title with him on a scooter...... i just dont see how that doesnt change a teams psyche moving forward

Team also had Tucker & no longer do. Players have to fill the void & DDV is the closest in style, aside from Jrue. I doubt the team was telling him to get involved with the group if they were really looking at him like he's unneccesary.

Did they think Giannis was in the way of going further when they won game 4 of the ECSF in the bubble? Or advancing to the Finals with him again injured?

[CharityStripe34]

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The shot looks a bit smoother.

The more promising highlight was his post up and jump hook over the left shoulder. The release looked silky smooth and had arc and was far less flat.

[AussieBuck]

imo ideal sitch with DDV is to play him all the way out this year and then do him like we did brogdon. trade him for a nice big trade exception and some mediocre draft ammo which we have none of. do this after we wear out the last bit of his body on this years run.

whats nuts is i was a ddv whore this time last year. but when a grenade goes off in a guys foot and we win a title with him on a scooter...... i just dont see how that doesnt change a teams psyche moving forward

Yeah can't see him having a lot of value until he's healthy and having an extra legit rotation guy in the playoffs is likely worth more to us than whatever we can get in a deadline deal. Play it out, hopefully win a title and then deal with offering him something after we have a crack at back to back. Even if we can't get anything for him in a sign and trade, I still want the strongest hand possible in the playoffs.

[ReasonablySober]

imo ideal sitch with DDV is to play him all the way out this year and then do him like we did brogdon. trade him for a nice big trade exception and some mediocre draft ammo which we have none of. do this after we wear out the last bit of his body on this years run.

whats nuts is i was a ddv whore this time last year. but when a grenade goes off in a guys foot and we win a title with him on a scooter...... i just dont see how that doesnt change a teams psyche moving forward

Yeah can't see him having a lot of value until he's healthy and having an extra legit rotation guy in the playoffs is likely worth more to us than whatever we can get in a deadline deal. Play it out, hopefully win a title and then deal with offering him something after we have a crack at back to back. Even if we can't get anything for him in a sign and trade, I still want the strongest hand possible in the playoffs.

What if you can get a cheap vet via trade or buyout that gives you 90% of Donte through the end of the season, but recoups the Bucks a 1st rounder-plus?

[AussieBuck]

imo ideal sitch with DDV is to play him all the way out this year and then do him like we did brogdon. trade him for a nice big trade exception and some mediocre draft ammo which we have none of. do this after we wear out the last bit of his body on this years run.

whats nuts is i was a ddv whore this time last year. but when a grenade goes off in a guys foot and we win a title with him on a scooter...... i just dont see how that doesnt change a teams psyche moving forward

Yeah can't see him having a lot of value until he's healthy and having an extra legit rotation guy in the playoffs is likely worth more to us than whatever we can get in a deadline deal. Play it out, hopefully win a title and then deal with offering him something after we have a crack at back to back. Even if we can't get anything for him in a sign and trade, I still want the strongest hand possible in the playoffs.

What if you can get a cheap vet via trade or buyout that gives you 90% of Donte through the end of the season, but recoups the Bucks a 1st rounder-plus?

Like GoS I'm looking at the Nets. I want a guy who can defend PG and SG at a high level, can shoot and pass. To me Donte allows Jrue to be maximised in whatever role we need him in.

I just don't see that guy becoming available, whoever he is. I also really miss Donte hitting Giannis in stride on the semi-break. Love the chemistry.

[DrWood]

Not only is Hood toast, but Nwora is a good as Hood at his best. Bud, like most coaches, is very hesitant to play rookies, but this year Nwora will be unleashed.

Being healthy now while few others are also gives him a leg up.

you're reasonable on just about every issue except Nwora. really inscrutable.

The possibility exists that I'm also being reasonable about Nwora. Did you notice who lead the team in minutes last night? The team is super intrigued by Nwora. He logged a 23 PER in those minutes.

Mamu had the most minutes. Robinson was second. Mamu is on a two-way, and Robinson is camp fodder.

And no, there is no possibility that you're reasonable about Nwora. That doesn't mean he couldn't end up being an important long-term piece for us, but there is insufficient positive data to suggest that's very likely. It's really hard to predict which players can make significant strides. I hope he's one of them. But it's hope, not fact.

[ShootingtheJ]

you're reasonable on just about every issue except Nwora. really inscrutable.

The possibility exists that I'm also being reasonable about Nwora. Did you notice who lead the team in minutes last night? The team is super intrigued by Nwora. He logged a 23 PER in those minutes.

Mamu had the most minutes. Robinson was second. Mamu is on a two-way, and Robinson is camp fodder.

And no, there is no possibility that you're reasonable about Nwora. That doesn't mean he couldn't end up being an important long-term piece for us, but there is insufficient positive data to suggest that's very likely. It's really hard to predict which players can make significant strides. I hope he's one of them. But it's hope, not fact.

I hope you realize the box score you're looking at went bonkers, it's now showing more minutes than were actually played in the game.

If you had watched the game, you'd know those players didn't play those minutes, and Kalaitzakas didn't play 21 minutes.

Also, Robinson is also on a 2 way.

[emunney]

Donte's a better player than Caruso, so I don't think his deal is a realistic benchmark. I think him and his agent ask for Gary Trent money (3-yrs $54 mil). If he wants that 4th year it's gonna have to be a lower salary or a team option.

Donte's better but Caruso's healthier. Bucks maybe offer a little more to get it over the MLE line and provide a little incentive to sign now.

[emunney]

imo ideal sitch with DDV is to play him all the way out this year and then do him like we did brogdon. trade him for a nice big trade exception and some mediocre draft ammo which we have none of. do this after we wear out the last bit of his body on this years run.

whats nuts is i was a ddv whore this time last year. but when a grenade goes off in a guys foot and we win a title with him on a scooter...... i just dont see how that doesnt change a teams psyche moving forward

Yeah can't see him having a lot of value until he's healthy and having an extra legit rotation guy in the playoffs is likely worth more to us than whatever we can get in a deadline deal. Play it out, hopefully win a title and then deal with offering him something after we have a crack at back to back. Even if we can't get anything for him in a sign and trade, I still want the strongest hand possible in the playoffs.

What if you can get a cheap vet via trade or buyout that gives you 90% of Donte through the end of the season, but recoups the Bucks a 1st rounder-plus?

I'd rather have that guy and Donte in that case. Or are you saying we trade Donte for Hypothetical Old Donte and a 1st?

I'm with AB on this one. There's no way I'm trading Donte for some future piece even if I don't want to pay him. Giannis, Khris, and Jrue are in their prime. We should be all in every year for the next 2-3 years at least.

[Siefer]

Going through the GM survey: Giannis as best defender and Jrue as best perimeter defender. Hard to argue with it given how much the D carried this team throughout the post-season. The Bucks took a notable step back in regular season defense metrics, both because of lack of depth and because they were more interested in using it as a laboratory and figuring out their playoff D.

Something I've been thinking about is how we had the best playoff defense by a large margin, and how it highlights the increasingly large disconnect there is between regular season and playoffs in the NBA.

[emunney]

Going through the GM survey: Giannis as best defender and Jrue as best perimeter defender. Hard to argue with it given how much the D carried this team throughout the post-season. The Bucks took a notable step back in regular season defense metrics, both because of lack of depth and because they were more interested in using it as a laboratory and figuring out their playoff D.

Something I've been thinking about is how we had the best playoff defense by a large margin, and how it highlights the increasingly large disconnect there is between regular season and playoffs in the NBA.

The playoffs are so much more physical and we had by far the most physical team in the league. Phoenix was up there as well, no coincidence, and we manhandled them as well.