If Push Came to Shove... (Irving Trade)

[MrDollarBills]

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[harlem_ball]

Irving could be scared of dying from the vax. A 4th person died a few days ago. If he died, what Durant and Harden think wouldn't even matter...

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/575417-fourth-person-dies-from-rare-blood-clotting-syndrome-after-receiving-jj

His body, his choice.

And more people died unvaccinated. What is your point? If Kyrie gets Covid and infects others, what then?

My point is Kyrie could be scared to get vaccinated over the small percentages of deaths. Duh.

[Suwanee]

Irving could be scared of dying from the vax. A 4th person died a few days ago. If he died, what Durant and Harden think wouldn't even matter...

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/575417-fourth-person-dies-from-rare-blood-clotting-syndrome-after-receiving-jj

His body, his choice.

And more people died unvaccinated. What is your point? If Kyrie gets Covid and infects others, what then?

My point is Kyrie could be scared to get vaccinated over the small percentages of deaths. Duh.

If he isn’t afraid of the much higher unvaxxed death rate (which he obviously isn’t), what makes you think he’s afraid of the vaccinated deaths?

[harlem_ball]

And more people died unvaccinated. What is your point? If Kyrie gets Covid and infects others, what then?

My point is Kyrie could be scared to get vaccinated over the small percentages of deaths. Duh.

If he isn’t afraid of the much higher unvaxxed death rate (which he obviously isn’t), what makes you think he’s afraid of the vaccinated deaths?

no idea whats going on in the head of a flat Earther. I am only giving you evidence and possibilities.

[Whiskey Slick]

Let's face it, Kyrie has lost his marbles.

I ran with about a dozen friends when I was a kid and two of them developed mental illness as we got older. One of them became a homicidal maniac who as it turned out stabbed another one of our friends like a hundred times. He hacked him up so badly that the body was barely identifiable. In fact before he was identified as the killer I was hanging out with him one night because I felt bad for him. He clearly wasn't right in the head, but I naively thought he was "depressed" so I felt bad for him and tried to cheer him up. At one point he even showed me his new knife and it was HUGE, but I thought nothing of it because it wasn't unusual for young guys in NYC to carry knives back then (See: 007 flip knives). You could buy them in any corner store until the city finally made them illegal, so it didn't occur to me that he was the killer and I was THIS CLOSE to being his next victim. I only realized it a few days later when he was arrested and booked as the killer. He was so obviously insane that instead of prison he was committed to an asylum for the criminally insane. But I remember how he looked and behaved as he was slowly losing his mind, like TRAVIS BICKLE IN TAXI DRIVER, DiNero actually nailed it in that movie. That was exactly what it looks like and how someone behaves when they are losing their minds. It's like they're there, but not there, incoherent and with that far away look.

Ironically the other friend I saw who slowly lost his mind was the younger brother of the guy who was killed. He was NON-VIOLENT and more like Kyrie, but he had all the same mannerism's of the other kid who lost his mind, the one who killed his brother. Same far away look, erratic behavior etc. Just like the other guy, he was not even close to the same person I knew growing up. Everything about him (them) was abnormal and incoherent.

Basically he would do something weird like spray incense around the basketball court before a game. Sure, he would have some incoherent reason for his strange behavior, like religion or chasing away demons or whatever, but you wanted to ignore that his behavior was irrational because he was your friend and you didn't want to perceive him as mentally ill, just like I didn't want to perceive one of the kids I grew up with as anything more than depressed and it almost got me killed.

I'm not saying Kyrie is like THE FIRST GUY I knew, but he does remind me of the second kid I grew up with, who was NON VIOLENT but who did wind up in a mental institution as well. That's who Kyrie reminds me of, that's why he would do erratic things like just disappear for days or weeks at a time last year, with no coherent explanation and without forewarning, then he would just reappear when he felt like it and say I don't wanna talk about my absence, blah blah blah. Or walk around the court spraying incense, which may be religious, but let's be honest, that's hardly the appropriate time and place. I mean you don't see Catholics taking the Eucharist at Center Court before a basketball game. His behavior was just erratic and weird, and NOW, WORST OF ALL, he's just bailing on the team altogether over something as ridiculous as a vaccination.

I COULD BE WRONG, but IMO, and I've seen this before, TWICE, the guy just seems to have lost his mind.

That said, if I'm right (and I hope I'm wrong), he's not coming back physically until he comes back mentally, which may or may not be possible, but it's worth a try. When I was young they would just lock the mentally ill up in institutions, but they know WAY MORE about mental illness now than they did back then. Now there's all kinds of treatments and medications that can possibly help you if you're not too far gone like my FIRST FRIEND (homicidal maniac), but he needs to seek out the treatment. Nobody can force him.

[3pt_chucker]

Until Kyrie gets vaccinated I'm not gonna care about him on the Nets. I honestly hope he's not even allowed to play any games because just playing away games in simply nonsensical.

For as much love I have for Kyrie as a player, if he's this far off the deep end, I don't want him anywhere near this team.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not saying this to make light of what's going on with him, but that video that he liked that Rolling Stone wrote about is absolute nuttery. Aliens, calling covid a "scamdemic", all kinds of crazy stuff.

I don't think Kyrie is a bad person, but after seeing a few mins of that craziness before I turned it off, he definitely has some serious mental health issues, far worse than I was led to believe, if he really does subscribe to this stuff.

Forget basketball, he needs to see someone and get treatment if his beliefs are even close to what was on that video. Conspiracy theory circles and disinformation pushed by bad faith actors purposely prey on people who suffer from anxiety, depression, etc. It is very easy to fall into this stuff if your mental health leads you towards constant paranoia and the feeling that someone is always trying to hurt you.

The fact that he's willing to throw away everything, including his livelihood over this is being taken way too lightly. Dude needs help.

[GTR11]

My point is Kyrie could be scared to get vaccinated over the small percentages of deaths. Duh.

If he isn’t afraid of the much higher unvaxxed death rate (which he obviously isn’t), what makes you think he’s afraid of the vaccinated deaths?

no idea whats going on in the head of a flat Earther. I am only giving you evidence and possibilities.

The article you provided is very flawed in so many ways I dont even know where to start. Says 15m doses were administered that led to four deaths, mentioned complications also been reported. Doesn't provide percentage of side effects, why FDA/CDC still allowing it, how many have pre existing conditions etc etc etc. Bottom line here it has no data to speak about.

As been mentioned before, damage is already done. Kyrie keeping entire org in hostage will lead to Tsai and Marks pulling plug soon. The statement pretty much says, they won't allow him around team until vaccinated. Pragmatic and smart move. I dont want this team be hunted with covid protocol entire year.

PS. Pfizer FDA approved.

[harlem_ball]

If he isn’t afraid of the much higher unvaxxed death rate (which he obviously isn’t), what makes you think he’s afraid of the vaccinated deaths?

no idea whats going on in the head of a flat Earther. I am only giving you evidence and possibilities.

The article you provided is very flawed in so many ways I dont even know where to start. Says 15m doses were administered that led to four deaths, mentioned complications also been reported. Doesn't provide percentage of side effects, why FDA/CDC still allowing it, how many have pre existing conditions etc etc etc. Bottom line here it has no data to speak about.

As been mentioned before, damage is already done. Kyrie keeping entire org in hostage will lead to Tsai and Marks pulling plug soon. The statement pretty much says, they won't allow him around team until vaccinated. Pragmatic and smart move. I dont want this team be hunted with covid protocol entire year.

PS. Pfizer FDA approved.

a lady died from the vax. 4th one. that's it. it's not a research paper.

google it. it's not a secret.

[GTR11]

no idea whats going on in the head of a flat Earther. I am only giving you evidence and possibilities.

The article you provided is very flawed in so many ways I dont even know where to start. Says 15m doses were administered that led to four deaths, mentioned complications also been reported. Doesn't provide percentage of side effects, why FDA/CDC still allowing it, how many have pre existing conditions etc etc etc. Bottom line here it has no data to speak about.

As been mentioned before, damage is already done. Kyrie keeping entire org in hostage will lead to Tsai and Marks pulling plug soon. The statement pretty much says, they won't allow him around team until vaccinated. Pragmatic and smart move. I dont want this team be hunted with covid protocol entire year.

PS. Pfizer FDA approved.

a lady died from the vax. 4th one. that's it. it's not a research paper.

google it. it's not a secret.

Unbelievable

[Whiskey Slick]

PS. Pfizer FDA approved.

And I've had not 1, not 2, but 3 of the Pfizer shots.

Somehow, despite being significantly older than Kyrie, serious preconditions and three recent invasive/internal surgeries, I miraculously survived all three of the Pfizer vaccination shots I received. The worst side effect was I felt a little sluggish for a day or two, just like an annual flu shot ...


... but obviously the flu shots are an evil space alien plot too.

[Prokorov]

I'm not saying this to make light of what's going on with him, but that video that he liked that Rolling Stone wrote about is absolute nuttery. Aliens, calling covid a "scamdemic", all kinds of crazy stuff.

I don't think Kyrie is a bad person, but after seeing a few mins of that craziness before I turned it off, he definitely has some serious mental health issues, far worse than I was led to believe, if he really does subscribe to this stuff.

Forget basketball, he needs to see someone and get treatment if his beliefs are even close to what was on that video. Conspiracy theory circles and disinformation pushed by bad faith actors purposely prey on people who suffer from anxiety, depression, etc. It is very easy to fall into this stuff if your mental health leads you towards constant paranoia and the feeling that someone is always trying to hurt you.

The fact that he's willing to throw away everything, including his livelihood over this is being taken way too lightly. Dude needs help.

He liked the video. he didnt write, direct, produce and film it.

"throw away everything" lol! he isnt throwing away anything. at most a season of basketball. his livlihood? he has a net worth of over 100 million and makes more off the court then on it.

i think the people in this thread are the ones who need mental help. and the same people who said he should "off himself" for missing a game for his childs birth.

[Prokorov]

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Same as KD. people need to understand that these guys may love basketball but their priorities are as humans first... fans only care about the team. they have no effing clue beyond that

everyone should read the book.... it could not be more clear after, that winning is only basketall important for these guys, in the realms of their real lives its not #1. and these guys respect each other as people first, not players first. and half the beefs we see in the media are garbage made up nonsense

hell KD says that 3 times himself in his interview of kyrie on the ETCs.

Hell despite harden flat out saying he is 100% with kyrie like 15 times most of the media are running with the vague non-quote of "we will have to figure out how to win" and playing like harden has moved on

[Prokorov]

Marks:

While social media is all abuzz about Kyrie Irving missing games and practices for the Brooklyn Nets, the team seems nonplussed by the situation. Nets players are unmoved by Irving's vaccination status.

Nets General Manager Sean Marks said, “It’s definitely out in the Twitterverse more than it is in our locker room, without a doubt. All I can tell you is what he’s told everybody: It’s a private matter, and he needs to talk to the right people and figure out in his close circle what he wants to do.”

Durant:

[On if he will urge Kyrie to get the Vaccine]No, I don’t go out giving advice. This is his decision; that’s his choice. We all respected it, the team respects it. This is way bigger than hoops. So I don’t feel comfortable talking to him about stuff like this. But I’m just here to support him and to come in here and do my job as one of the leaders on the team, and when things get figured out... I’ve got trust and that it’ll get figured out,” Durant said.

Harden:

It's not disappointing at all. It's not disappointing. Ky believes in what he believes in. His family is behind him, we're behind him. That's all that it is

Joe Harris:

“With Ky’s situation, obviously, we support him. Whatever decisions that are made, that’s for him personally. But we support him as a team either way. … He’s still a part of the Brooklyn Nets. He’s still a part of this family, and none of that has changed.”

I'm really not sure what else people want... the team supports him, his teammates support him. the stars on this team support him. its his choice. he isnt out talking nonsense like beal is. he is keeping it quiet, going through whatever process in the background. its not going to happen overnight. He isnt going to speak on it (nor does he owe that to you - just like he didnt owe it to you to tell you he missed games last time because his kid was born).

Wanting it to end soon isnt going to change the reality that this process moves slowly. there will likely be exhausted appears, injuctions, trying loopholes, etc before a vaccine is even considered. people assume its vaccine or not... but right now it aint even at that point... its exhausting options to not get vaccinated and still play. he has every right ot those appeals, and everyone who matters supports him.

[MrDollarBills]

no idea whats going on in the head of a flat Earther. I am only giving you evidence and possibilities.

The article you provided is very flawed in so many ways I dont even know where to start. Says 15m doses were administered that led to four deaths, mentioned complications also been reported. Doesn't provide percentage of side effects, why FDA/CDC still allowing it, how many have pre existing conditions etc etc etc. Bottom line here it has no data to speak about.

As been mentioned before, damage is already done. Kyrie keeping entire org in hostage will lead to Tsai and Marks pulling plug soon. The statement pretty much says, they won't allow him around team until vaccinated. Pragmatic and smart move. I dont want this team be hunted with covid protocol entire year.

PS. Pfizer FDA approved.

a lady died from the vax. 4th one. that's it. it's not a research paper.

google it. it's not a secret.

Dude, you are spreading antivax misinformation as we do not have clear evidence that her death was caused by being vaccinated. Correlation is not causation. What we do know however, is that the majority of people dying this year from covid are those who chose not to be vaccinated. That is fact

Go back to the Heat board if you're going to pull this bull sh*t. You've come on here to troll and now you're starting to spread horse sh*t. F*ck off.

[MrDollarBills]

The article you provided is very flawed in so many ways I dont even know where to start. Says 15m doses were administered that led to four deaths, mentioned complications also been reported. Doesn't provide percentage of side effects, why FDA/CDC still allowing it, how many have pre existing conditions etc etc etc. Bottom line here it has no data to speak about.

As been mentioned before, damage is already done. Kyrie keeping entire org in hostage will lead to Tsai and Marks pulling plug soon. The statement pretty much says, they won't allow him around team until vaccinated. Pragmatic and smart move. I dont want this team be hunted with covid protocol entire year.

PS. Pfizer FDA approved.

a lady died from the vax. 4th one. that's it. it's not a research paper.

google it. it's not a secret.

Unbelievable

Report him. I've already done so. He's a heat fan who has come on here to troll and now he's spreading antivax crap. He needs to be banned

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not saying this to make light of what's going on with him, but that video that he liked that Rolling Stone wrote about is absolute nuttery. Aliens, calling covid a "scamdemic", all kinds of crazy stuff.

I don't think Kyrie is a bad person, but after seeing a few mins of that craziness before I turned it off, he definitely has some serious mental health issues, far worse than I was led to believe, if he really does subscribe to this stuff.

Forget basketball, he needs to see someone and get treatment if his beliefs are even close to what was on that video. Conspiracy theory circles and disinformation pushed by bad faith actors purposely prey on people who suffer from anxiety, depression, etc. It is very easy to fall into this stuff if your mental health leads you towards constant paranoia and the feeling that someone is always trying to hurt you.

The fact that he's willing to throw away everything, including his livelihood over this is being taken way too lightly. Dude needs help.

He liked the video. he didnt write, direct, produce and film it.

"throw away everything" lol! he isnt throwing away anything. at most a season of basketball. his livlihood? he has a net worth of over 100 million and makes more off the court then on it.

i think the people in this thread are the ones who need mental help. and the same people who said he should "off himself" for missing a game for his childs birth.

Nah. You're just in denial. Someone just doesn't randomly like stuff for no reason. IF. Key word. IF he does subscribe to that stuff in that video, Kyrie is mentally ill. I'm not gonna sugar coat it.

Don't insult other people because you continue to infantilize Kyrie like he is a special child that can do no wrong. It is clear by his behavior that something isn't right.

And I never said Kyrie should kill himself. What the hell dude??? I empathize with him because I know what anxiety and depression does to people, I'm not saying this stuff to make light of him. I am legit concerned that he is suffering from mental health issues.

But sure, if you think having 100 million dollars or whatever means he's fine, sure. Continue to believe that. But all of this is a cry for help.

[MrDollarBills]

Marks:

While social media is all abuzz about Kyrie Irving missing games and practices for the Brooklyn Nets, the team seems nonplussed by the situation. Nets players are unmoved by Irving's vaccination status.

Nets General Manager Sean Marks said, “It’s definitely out in the Twitterverse more than it is in our locker room, without a doubt. All I can tell you is what he’s told everybody: It’s a private matter, and he needs to talk to the right people and figure out in his close circle what he wants to do.”

Durant:

[On if he will urge Kyrie to get the Vaccine]No, I don’t go out giving advice. This is his decision; that’s his choice. We all respected it, the team respects it. This is way bigger than hoops. So I don’t feel comfortable talking to him about stuff like this. But I’m just here to support him and to come in here and do my job as one of the leaders on the team, and when things get figured out... I’ve got trust and that it’ll get figured out,” Durant said.

Harden:

It's not disappointing at all. It's not disappointing. Ky believes in what he believes in. His family is behind him, we're behind him. That's all that it is

Joe Harris:

“With Ky’s situation, obviously, we support him. Whatever decisions that are made, that’s for him personally. But we support him as a team either way. … He’s still a part of the Brooklyn Nets. He’s still a part of this family, and none of that has changed.”

I'm really not sure what else people want... the team supports him, his teammates support him. the stars on this team support him. its his choice. he isnt out talking nonsense like beal is. he is keeping it quiet, going through whatever process in the background. its not going to happen overnight. He isnt going to speak on it (nor does he owe that to you - just like he didnt owe it to you to tell you he missed games last time because his kid was born).

Wanting it to end soon isnt going to change the reality that this process moves slowly. there will likely be exhausted appears, injuctions, trying loopholes, etc before a vaccine is even considered. people assume its vaccine or not... but right now it aint even at that point... its exhausting options to not get vaccinated and still play. he has every right ot those appeals, and everyone who matters supports him.

There is nothing wrong with the team supporting him in public.

In public. Keep that in mind. They aren't going to throw him under the bus. Nor should they.

However, one thing I keep seeing is you saying he is going through appeals. We have seen no evidence of that. Andrew Wiggins appealed and he was denied immediately. Nothing has been put out there that says that Kyrie is even appealing the matter. He would lose either way, because there is zero reason why the state of NY should allow him to enter Barclays or the practice facility if he doesn't comply with a public health mandate.

[MrDollarBills]

Honestly, Kyrie is most likely not going to play this season.

Players that don't practice do not play under Marks' regime. We have seen that. They aren't going to throw them out there when they don't have access to him, can't monitor his physical conditioning, and him not being able to practice means he's not integrating himself into the sets and plays being run.

I'm fine with it. I hope Kyrie gets the help he needs eventually, but we have a good team with two great players leading the way. It was fun while it lasted, but it's time to move on. If Kyrie really believes that someone wants to microchip him on the behalf of an alien conspiracy plot to take the souls of Black people, basketball should be the least of his concerns.

[Prokorov]

a lady died from the vax. 4th one. that's it. it's not a research paper.

google it. it's not a secret.

Unbelievable

Report him. I've already done so. He's a heat fan who has come on here to troll and now he's spreading antivax crap. He needs to be banned

Suprising he hasnt been banned. Rich needs to dust off the banhammer