NBA protocols/Covid/Vaccine - Discussion thread

[Da ThRONe]

VAERS reports are of anything which happens in the vicinity of the time of vaccination, which is very far from proving such occurrences are linked, and is in fact evidence that regulatory bodies are being vigilant/rigorous in ascertaining the safety of vaccination. As I previously posted, no one is claiming that Covid vaccines provide protection against illness or death from causes other than the Covid 19 infection. and if you vaccinate 150 million people some of them are still unfortunately going to die, indeed absolutely everyone who is vaccinated will eventually die.

The adverse reactions from VAERS should at least be extensively studied.

My main point is there is reason to be skeptical of the vaccines. It's completely logical for a non obese healthy person under the age of 65 (especially a pro athlete in the 20s or 30s) to not want to take an experimental vaccine for a virus with a 99.97 survival and recovery rate for those under the age of 65.

There is risk involved with taking the vaccine and it's completely understandable for someone not to want to take it. It doesnt even prevent transmission. Mandating and forcing people to take it is insane.

No one knows the long term effects yet as they havent been studied. I truly hope they turn out to be mostly very safe overall over the long term.

Someone had referred me to the VAERS #s so I looked at deaths and there were less than 7,000 in the 350,000,000 doses. This is about 1 for every 50,000 doses, or .002%. Most drugs out there have a higher death rate.

Meanwhile, compared to the sub 7,000 deaths (which might not even be related to the shot for sure), the death toll for people getting COVID is 4,850,000.

That death toll of 4,850,000 may not all be related to covid. It's impossible to tell when so many nations test for Sars-Cov-2 and then consider any death of a positive patient as a covid death.

[bwgood77]

The adverse reactions from VAERS should at least be extensively studied.

My main point is there is reason to be skeptical of the vaccines. It's completely logical for a non obese healthy person under the age of 65 (especially a pro athlete in the 20s or 30s) to not want to take an experimental vaccine for a virus with a 99.97 survival and recovery rate for those under the age of 65.

There is risk involved with taking the vaccine and it's completely understandable for someone not to want to take it. It doesnt even prevent transmission. Mandating and forcing people to take it is insane.

No one knows the long term effects yet as they havent been studied. I truly hope they turn out to be mostly very safe overall over the long term.

Someone had referred me to the VAERS #s so I looked at deaths and there were less than 7,000 in the 350,000,000 doses. This is about 1 for every 50,000 doses, or .002%. Most drugs out there have a higher death rate.

Meanwhile, compared to the sub 7,000 deaths (which might not even be related to the shot for sure), the death toll for people getting COVID is 4,850,000.

That death toll of 4,850,000 may not all be related to covid. It's impossible to tell when so many nations test for Sars-Cov-2 and then consider any death of a positive patient as a covid death.

True, but it's actually likely much higher due to all the deaths that don't get recorded especially all the ones that didn't early before people were looking for it....when the "pneumonia" deaths went WAY up last year.

[nikster]

The adverse reactions from VAERS should at least be extensively studied.

My main point is there is reason to be skeptical of the vaccines. It's completely logical for a non obese healthy person under the age of 65 (especially a pro athlete in the 20s or 30s) to not want to take an experimental vaccine for a virus with a 99.97 survival and recovery rate for those under the age of 65.

There is risk involved with taking the vaccine and it's completely understandable for someone not to want to take it. It doesnt even prevent transmission. Mandating and forcing people to take it is insane.

No one knows the long term effects yet as they havent been studied. I truly hope they turn out to be mostly very safe overall over the long term.

Someone had referred me to the VAERS #s so I looked at deaths and there were less than 7,000 in the 350,000,000 doses. This is about 1 for every 50,000 doses, or .002%. Most drugs out there have a higher death rate.

Meanwhile, compared to the sub 7,000 deaths (which might not even be related to the shot for sure), the death toll for people getting COVID is 4,850,000.

That death toll of 4,850,000 may not be related to covid. It's impossible to tell when so many nations test for Sars-Cov-2 and then consider any death of a positive patient as a covid death.

What we need is someone with the expertise of Da Throne to tell basically every single country, hospital and medical organization in the world that they are attributing the wrong cause of death.

This is just blatant denialism because the facts dont match your preconceived world view. Can you provide us with a better estimate?

[michaelm]

VAERS reports are of anything which happens in the vicinity of the time of vaccination, which is very far from proving such occurrences are linked, and is in fact evidence that regulatory bodies are being vigilant/rigorous in ascertaining the safety of vaccination. As I previously posted, no one is claiming that Covid vaccines provide protection against illness or death from causes other than the Covid 19 infection. and if you vaccinate 150 million people some of them are still unfortunately going to die, indeed absolutely everyone who is vaccinated will eventually die.

The adverse reactions from VAERS should at least be extensively studied.

My main point is there is reason to be skeptical of the vaccines. It's completely logical for a non obese healthy person under the age of 65 (especially a pro athlete in the 20s or 30s) to not want to take an experimental vaccine for a virus with a 99.97 survival and recovery rate for those under the age of 65.

There is risk involved with taking the vaccine and it's completely understandable for someone not to want to take it. It doesnt even prevent transmission. Mandating and forcing people to take it is insane.

No one knows the long term effects yet as they havent been studied. I truly hope they turn out to be mostly very safe overall over the long term.

Someone had referred me to the VAERS #s so I looked at deaths and there were less than 7,000 in the 350,000,000 doses. This is about 1 for every 50,000 doses, or .002%. Most drugs out there have a higher death rate.

Meanwhile, compared to the sub 7,000 deaths (which might not even be related to the shot for sure), the death toll for people getting COVID is 4,850,000.

Exactly.

A mediocre politician in Australia is trying to re-forge his career by standing on a platform that everything reported to our VAERS is due to vaccination. The last I heard the TGA in Australia had identified 9 deaths from 25 million odd administered vaccine doses. The same body btw was involved in an overnight decision to withdraw vaccination with the Astra Zeneca vaccine for those aged under 60 when VITTS/the clotting syndrome was identified, on the basis that the risk/benefit ratio did not justify the use of the vaccine in that age group given the rarity of Covid infections at the time and low morbidity and mortality for them from the then current Covid 19 strain.

[ecogen]

Someone had referred me to the VAERS #s so I looked at deaths and there were less than 7,000 in the 350,000,000 doses. This is about 1 for every 50,000 doses, or .002%. Most drugs out there have a higher death rate.

Meanwhile, compared to the sub 7,000 deaths (which might not even be related to the shot for sure), the death toll for people getting COVID is 4,850,000.

That death toll of 4,850,000 may not all be related to covid. It's impossible to tell when so many nations test for Sars-Cov-2 and then consider any death of a positive patient as a covid death.

True, but it's actually likely much higher due to all the deaths that don't get recorded especially all the ones that didn't early before people were looking for it....when the "pneumonia" deaths went WAY up last year.

A cursory comparison between the number of excess deaths and the number of confirmed covid deaths supports pretty much confirms this.

[ZB9]

there is a difference between dying with covid and dying from covid.

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[michaelm]

Too many have died from covid but there is a difference between dying with covid and dying from covid.

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Rather conflicts with your argument in regard to VAERS.

Others will be better informed, but I have seen excess death statistics from the USA as well.

In Australia at least where generalised measures were undertaken seriously there was actually a much lower death rate from influenza with the Covid pandemic, general measures for Covid being rather effective in limiting influenza.

[ZB9]

Too many have died from covid but there is a difference between dying with covid and dying from covid.

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Rather conflicts with your argument in regard to VAERS.

Others will be better informed, but I have seen excess death statistics from the USA as well.

In Australia at least where generalised measures were undertaken seriously there was actually a much lower death rate from influenza with the Covid pandemic, general measures for Covid being rather effective in limiting influenza.

Well there is incentive to over report covid deaths

It's possible but there isnt really incentive to over report to VAERS. It's probably the opposite when it comes to VAERS. There is incentive not to report to VAERS (even though they are supposed to).

[ItsDanger]

If you want an accurate interpretation of death certificates, asking the people who fill them out is not where you should start.

[ZB9]

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[The_Hater]

The thing I like best about this thread is it identifies all the crazy anti-vaxxers so I can update my ignore list.

But please carry on crazies with your crack-pot theories from your conspiracy websites.

[michaelm]

Too many have died from covid but there is a difference between dying with covid and dying from covid.

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Rather conflicts with your argument in regard to VAERS.

Others will be better informed, but I have seen excess death statistics from the USA as well.

In Australia at least where generalised measures were undertaken seriously there was actually a much lower death rate from influenza with the Covid pandemic, general measures for Covid being rather effective in limiting influenza.

Well there is incentive to over report covid deaths

It's possible but there isnt really incentive to over report to VAERS. It's probably the opposite when it comes to VAERS. There is incentive not to report to VAERS (even though they are supposed to).

This may seem obvious to a conspiracy theorist, but is not so to me.

[michaelm]

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[ZB9]

Rather conflicts with your argument in regard to VAERS.

Others will be better informed, but I have seen excess death statistics from the USA as well.

In Australia at least where generalised measures were undertaken seriously there was actually a much lower death rate from influenza with the Covid pandemic, general measures for Covid being rather effective in limiting influenza.

Well there is incentive to over report covid deaths

It's possible but there isnt really incentive to over report to VAERS. It's probably the opposite when it comes to VAERS. There is incentive not to report to VAERS (even though they are supposed to).

This may seem obvious to a conspiracy theorist, but is not so to me.

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Rumble — Minnesota State Representative Erik Mortensen recently conducted a Town Hall meeting in his district due to the number of health care workers who were contacting him about COVID-19 vaccine mandates, where most of them were about to lose their jobs for refusing to receive a COVID-19 shot.

Some of these nurses reported that they have been in their field for over 20 years, were treated as heros last year as frontline workers in COVID wards, but were now being ridiculed and ostracized for not wanting to take a COVID-19 vaccine.

One of the reasons they do not want to take the shots is because they have seen first hand how these shots have killed and injured people, including family members.

One nurse explained how the media is actually lying by stating that most of the healthcare workers are now fully vaccinated for COVID-19. She said this wasn't true, and that she knew of departments that were only about 20% vaccinated, and that ER workers had an especially low percentage of workers who were fully vaccinated for COVID-19.

"Why aren't people asking the nurses why they don't want to take the shots?" she asked.

One nurse stated that she was never trained about how to submit a report to VAERS, and did not even know it existed until she did some research on her own. There is pressure to NOT report vaccine injuries and deaths, and it takes about 30 minutes to fill out the report, which few will do.

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/nurses-speak-out-at-minnesota-town-hall-meeting-on-covid-19-vaccine-injuries-and-lack-of-reporting-to-vaers/

[NyKnicks1714]

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Lol at the first tweet. Literally just some random guy on twitter making up numbers and tweeting a crappy article from some far-right news organization which contains nothing more than a few pieces of anecdotal evidence.

As for Dr. Ezike, those comments were made early on in 2020.

From several months later:

When we have looked at all the deaths that have occurred, and unfortunately there have been over 9,074 at this point, we have looked at those that were related to an accident or obviously not proximate to the COVID-19 virus,” she said during a press conference Wednesday. “It was less than 0.6% of those deaths were in that category where it was an accident, or homicide, or something where the COVID diagnosis was not the proximate cause of death.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/ezike-defends-illinois-coronavirus-death-statistics-says-data-constantly-scrutinized/2353978/

But by all means, go ahead and keep posting fabricated numbers and out-of-context clips.

[michaelm]

Well there is incentive to over report covid deaths

It's possible but there isnt really incentive to over report to VAERS. It's probably the opposite when it comes to VAERS. There is incentive not to report to VAERS (even though they are supposed to).

This may seem obvious to a conspiracy theorist, but is not so to me.

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Rumble — Minnesota State Representative Erik Mortensen recently conducted a Town Hall meeting in his district due to the number of health care workers who were contacting him about COVID-19 vaccine mandates, where most of them were about to lose their jobs for refusing to receive a COVID-19 shot.

Some of these nurses reported that they have been in their field for over 20 years, were treated as heros last year as frontline workers in COVID wards, but were now being ridiculed and ostracized for not wanting to take a COVID-19 vaccine.

One of the reasons they do not want to take the shots is because they have seen first hand how these shots have killed and injured people, including family members.

One nurse explained how the media is actually lying by stating that most of the healthcare workers are now fully vaccinated for COVID-19. She said this wasn't true, and that she knew of departments that were only about 20% vaccinated, and that ER workers had an especially low percentage of workers who were fully vaccinated for COVID-19.

"Why aren't people asking the nurses why they don't want to take the shots?" she asked.

One nurse stated that she was never trained about how to submit a report to VAERS, and did not even know it existed until she did some research on her own. There is pressure to NOT report vaccine injuries and deaths, and it takes about 30 minutes to fill out the report, which few will do.

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/nurses-speak-out-at-minnesota-town-hall-meeting-on-covid-19-vaccine-injuries-and-lof-reporting-to-vaers/

More anecdotes.

Oddly not happening in NSW Australia where I live and am a health worker and where we have a 72% full vaccination rate and are about to hit a 90% first jab rate, rather than having a 40% percent antivaxxer rate.

[nikster]

Well there is incentive to over report covid deaths

It's possible but there isnt really incentive to over report to VAERS. It's probably the opposite when it comes to VAERS. There is incentive not to report to VAERS (even though they are supposed to).

This may seem obvious to a conspiracy theorist, but is not so to me.

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Just to get this straight, you think there is a potential of 1.5 million vaccine induced deaths in the US alone and that this is somehow gone unnoticed? And this phenomenon hasn't been captured anywhere in the world?

[NyKnicks1714]

This may seem obvious to a conspiracy theorist, but is not so to me.

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Just to get this straight, you think there is a potential of 1.5 million vaccine induced deaths in the US alone and that this is somehow gone unnoticed? And this phenomenon hasn't been captured anywhere in the world?

Hey if Professor Michael Northcott said it on Twitter, then who are we to argue? After all, he's a professor.

[michaelm]

68 pages now where continued requests for evidence other than conspiracy theories have gone unmet.

[DOT]

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Just to get this straight, you think there is a potential of 1.5 million vaccine induced deaths in the US alone and that this is somehow gone unnoticed? And this phenomenon hasn't been captured anywhere in the world?

Hey if Professor Michael Northcott said it on Twitter, then who are we to argue? After all, he's a professor.

Using a study from over 10 years ago

Which, in the very screenshot he used, says one of the reasons for the low reporting numbers is low awareness of what VAERS is

I swear to god, these people don't actually read anything they link.