Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[Rastas]

That's was my point: the idea of CJ being a plus asset is a little overrated more than the idea that Simmons is a minus asset.

If I'm Morey I wait for a chance for Dame: Simmons is under control for 4 years and he cannot pull a AD.
On the other side if I'm Dame, I prefer to play with Joel than with Ben.

So either the Blazers trade for Joel (LOL) or we trade for Dame.
If Dame prefers playing for another team....well there will be other trades to be done down the line.

No need to rush for DAR or Brogdon or Hield or Lavert

Oh dear , some of you guy's haven't figured it out yet have you.
Dame and probably most other Alpha no1 options have no intention at all of pairing with the "I'm going to Dominate" 40% usage Center here in Philly - however teaming with an Ultra Defensive and Pass 1st Low usage Playmaker is a lot more appealing.
Remember Dame Liked the photoshop of Ben in a Blazers uniform.

Low usage Playmaker? Are we talking about the same Ben Simmons?

If Ben doesn't have the ball in his hand , is he useful for what?
Masonry?

Sub 23% usage player in Philly.

[Roy The Natural]

Two picks and 1 swaps are for having a 25years old All Star under control for the next 4 years and 1 pick and 2 swaps are due for dumping 32 yrs old CJ and to keep Dame happy.

It seems fair to me.

CJ to me is not worth a whole lot.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-teams-view-cj-mccollums-100-million-contract-as-slightly-negative-value-for-trade-purposes-per-report/

People need to look at his contract and realize he is already declining. Portland picks are going to be at the end of the 1st round and barely worth anything. Sorry but I wouldn't be interested.

If that is an actual offer then Portland did us a favor by declining it

Is CJ declining though? He just had a career year in almost every way and impact stats put him right there with Simmons. I'm not saying their "value" is the same... but there's not much proof that they have significantly different "impact" at this point.

[bball4life]

Oh dear , some of you guy's haven't figured it out yet have you.
Dame and probably most other Alpha no1 options have no intention at all of pairing with the "I'm going to Dominate" 40% usage Center here in Philly - however teaming with an Ultra Defensive and Pass 1st Low usage Playmaker is a lot more appealing.
Remember Dame Liked the photoshop of Ben in a Blazers uniform.

Low usage Playmaker? Are we talking about the same Ben Simmons?

If Ben doesn't have the ball in his hand , is he useful for what?
Masonry?

Sub 23% usage player in Philly.

Yeah, people need to understand usage is directly tied to FG and FT attempts, not how many times you dribble the basketball or whatever. So his sub 23% usage is actually a terrible thing for a supposed all star player making max money. If he actually shot the ball when he should or sought out contact at the rim, his usage would go up and Embiid's would go down. That would be a beautiful thing. But alas, after several years he is getting worse at going to the basket and shooting FTs, and is even more hesitant to take an open shot.

[BullyKing]

Two picks and 1 swaps are for having a 25years old All Star under control for the next 4 years and 1 pick and 2 swaps are due for dumping 32 yrs old CJ and to keep Dame happy.

It seems fair to me.

CJ to me is not worth a whole lot.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-teams-view-cj-mccollums-100-million-contract-as-slightly-negative-value-for-trade-purposes-per-report/

People need to look at his contract and realize he is already declining. Portland picks are going to be at the end of the 1st round and barely worth anything. Sorry but I wouldn't be interested.

If that is an actual offer then Portland did us a favor by declining it

Is CJ declining though? He just had a career year in almost every way and impact stats put him right there with Simmons. I'm not saying their "value" is the same... but there's not much proof that they have significantly different "impact" at this point.

OF course it was rejected. It's a ridiculous ask. Hence me quite clearly saying start high so there is room to negotiate. I'm not saying Simmons is worth CJ and 3 unp 1sts and 3 swaps. He's absolutely not.

And no CJ doesn't have the same impact but I'm not getting into that. I know you have convinced yourself of that and that's whatever.

I'm not saying their impact is the same... just similar. You've never provided any evidence to the contrary... to I'll take your objection for what it is... unfounded.

Here's the thing Roy. You made some claims regarding CJ vs Curry. That were wrong btw. And demanded I give you evidence. I balked at first then decided to play ball and gave you tons of evidence. You then returned to the thread and responded to a bunch of other posts but ignored mine. Because you got exactly what you demanded but it showed a story you didn't like.

So I'm not playing that game with you again, sorry.

[Rastas]

My guess is Morey and Ownership are scared to Trade Simmons currently.
Scared at what Ben might do with another Team and extra scared of the decline in performance with a Ben less 76ers.
Realistically Philly is loaded with young guy's so should be on the up as they get older/more experienced, so it's going to be a extra bad look to them going from 1st to say 7th.
Just grab the best offer and accept reality and fight for 3rd or 4th.

[LAL1947]

None of y'all liked my other trade proposal on page 2?

Well, here's another blockbuster.

Assumptions:
1) Lillard and Beal aren't leaving their teams.
2) Indiana is offering Brogdon/Levert/1 FRP.
3) Minnesota is offering Beasley/Prince/McDaniels/2 FRP or Beasley/D'lo/2 FRP. D'lo sucks. Getting both Prince + McDaniels is redundant since Tobias is the 76er's PF. So adding Dejounte to the mix solves the issues with Minny's players.
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Philly - Why? Seems a better offer than any other I've seen so far.
In: Dejounte, Beasley, Prince, 2 unprotected Minny FRPs
Out: Simmons, Milton

Dejounte/Maxey, Beasley/Curry, Green/Thybulle, Harris/Prince, Embiid/Drummond
+ Springer, Harrison, Korkmaz, Reed, Bassey
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Minnesota - Why? Simmons.... duh.
In: Simmons, Burke
Out: Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, 2 unprotected FRPs

PatBev/McLaughlin, D'lo/Nowell, Edwards/Okogie, Simmons/Vanderbilt, KAT/Reid

If Minny wants another PF, SAS can agree to cut Aminu for Minny to pick up with their NTMLE.
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San Antonio - Why? A 20/10 Center provides scoring thrust to their "good but no star" back-court.
In: Porzingis, Milton
Out: Dejounte, Lonnie, Poeltl

White/Milton, Vassell/Forbes, Keldon/McDermott, Thad/Samanic, Porzingis/Landale
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Dallas - Why? Lose their 2nd star to improve the depth and defense.
In: Lonnie, Poeltl, McDaniels
Out: Porzingis, Burke

Luka/Brunson, THJ/Lonnie, DFS/Bullock, McDaniels/Kleber, Poeltl/WCS

[76ciology]

CJ for me is a good player but relative to true value, he’s more overrated than Ben. And I’d rather have Brogdon and Lavert.

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

None of y'all liked my other trade proposal on page 2?

Well, here's another blockbuster.

Assumptions:
1) Lillard and Beal aren't leaving their teams.
2) Indiana is offering Brogdon/Levert/1 FRP.
3) Minnesota is offering Beasley/Prince/McDaniels/2 FRP or Beasley/D'lo/2 FRP. D'lo sucks. Getting both Prince + McDaniels is redundant since Tobias is the 76er's PF. So adding Dejounte to the mix solves the issues with Minny's players.
---
Philly - Why? Seems a better offer than any other I've seen so far.
In: Dejounte, Beasley, Prince, 2 unprotected Minny FRPs
Out: Simmons, Milton

Dejounte/Maxey/, Beasley/Curry, Green/Thybulle, Harris/Prince, Embiid/Drummond
+ Springer, Harrison, Korkmaz, Reed, Bassey
---
Minnesota - Why? Simmons.... duh.
In: Simmons, Burke
Out: Beasley, Prince, McDaniels, 2 unprotected FRPs

PatBev/McLaughlin, D'lo/Nowell, Edwards/Okogie, Simmons/Vanderbilt, KAT/Reid

If Minny wants another PF, SAS can agree to cut Aminu for Minny to pick up with their NTMLE.
---
San Antonio - Why? A 20/10 Center provides scoring thrust to their "good but no star" back-court.
In: Porzingis, Milton
Out: Dejounte, Lonnie, Poeltl

White/Milton, Vassell/Forbes, Keldon/McDermott, Thad/Samanic, Porzingis/Landale
---
Dallas - Why? Lose their 2nd star to improve the depth and defense.
In: Lonnie, Poeltl, McDaniels
Out: Porzingis, Burke

Luka/Brunson, THJ/Lonnie, DFS/Bullock, McDaniels/Kleber, Poeltl/WCS

Pass. I rather have Brogdon or CJ.

Murray is not the type of PG that Morey, Doc or Embiid would want.

[LAL1947]

Pass. I rather have Brogdon or CJ.

Murray is not the type of PG that Morey, Doc or Embiid would want.

Why is that, if you don't mind me asking?

The way I see it... Brogdon and Levert have missed a lot of games through injury... while CJ is 30 going on 31, and not very good on defense so can't really be used with Curry or Maxey. So I would've thought Philly would be way more keen on Dejounte (defensive, young) and Beasley (3PT shooting, young) who are good healthy players and closer in age to Embiid... because of the fit with the rest of your roster. Plus you get 2x unprotected Minny FRPs.

[Skates]

Beasley is a scumbag loser, so he is a non-starter here, we don't need that kind of attention in Philly and the risk that he will get in trouble again. Getting back a felon for Simmons is not moving up in the world.

I was a big fan of Murray before the injury, always thought he would develop his three point shot, but hasn't. I know SA doesn't emphasize threes, but he has taken enough of them to demonstrate that he is not a floor spacer. Nice player, just not all that interesting of a fit here unless he came with a lot more than Beasley attached.

[BigSleep333]

at this point, i would do diva simmons for cj straight up without any picks. cj can shoot and doesnt turn the ball over.

cj mccollum: 3.59 made 3s per game - 26.5 usg% - 3.43 ast/to - +4.4 netrtg compared to teams netrtg
pussy-diva: 0.05 made 3s per game - 20.0 usg% - 2.32 ast/to - +2.5 netrtg compared to teams netrtg (embiid has +6.5 btw)

[spikeslovechild]

CJ for me is a good player but relative to true value, he’s more overrated than Ben. And I’d rather have Brogdon and Lavert.

It's not even close for me. He'll I'd rather just have Brogdon

[76ciology]

Pass. I rather have Brogdon or CJ.

Murray is not the type of PG that Morey, Doc or Embiid would want.

Why is that, if you don't mind me asking?

The way I see it... Brogdon and Levert have missed a lot of games through injury... while CJ is 30 going on 31, and not very good on defense so can't really be used with Curry or Maxey. So I would've thought Philly would be way more keen on Dejounte (defensive, young) and Beasley (3PT shooting, young) who are good healthy players and closer in age to Embiid... because of the fit with the rest of your roster. Plus you get 2x unprotected Minny FRPs.

Dejounte has little value to our team.

You can max Dejounte’s value with a bad defensive squad with a team full of scorers, which is the opposite of our team. We are a very good defensive team even with one of the worst defensive player in the league in Seth Curry while we are thirsty for scoring.

Then those Minny FRPs dont have much value than Pacers FRPs. Ben, Towns, DLo and Edwards is going to be a very good team.

I appreciate your effort. But think it through, because everyone of us here do. Its hard to sell an idea when you have like 500 pages of Ben trade discussions going on for months already.

[76ciology]

I’d rather have Brogdon and Lavert than CJ.

Without a top tier star, you have to win it collectively. Which the Pacers package is giving, this is why it sounds like Morey is also interested on this deal.

On top of that, Pacers is giving us picks which we can hedge if one of their guys’ health falters or use as assets to trade up or use in a bigger trade

[76ciology]

Brogdon
Lavert
Danny Green
Tobias
Biid

^that’s a potent starting 5. An MVP caliber and THREE 20ppg players

You also have Maxey and Seth off the bench. And an allstar big in Drummond (am i kidding or serious?)

We just trade Milton for Justin Holiday or some 3&D wing.

[Philly's Best]

Beasley is a scumbag loser, so he is a non-starter here, we don't need that kind of attention in Philly and the risk that he will get in trouble again. Getting back a felon for Simmons is not moving up in the world.

I was a big fan of Murray before the injury, always thought he would develop his three point shot, but hasn't. I know SA doesn't emphasize threes, but he has taken enough of them to demonstrate that he is not a floor spacer. Nice player, just not all that interesting of a fit here unless he came with a lot more than Beasley attached.

I guess I'm in the minority but I'm not big on burying guys that do stupid crap when they're 21. Not excusing it, was really stupid, and reckless but to call a kid a scumbag loser is a bit much. He will be defined better how he recovers from that period in his life.

I'd also much rather take him, McDaniels, and Pat Bev then any of the other stuff being thrown out. Pat Bev fills a now need while not needing to rush Maxey into starting, Beasley can shoot the lights out and is still only 24, and McDaniels can slot in behind Tobias who can then hopefully be moved in another year. If we can get a pick also just a cherry on top

[Sportfan73]

Beasley is a scumbag loser, so he is a non-starter here, we don't need that kind of attention in Philly and the risk that he will get in trouble again. Getting back a felon for Simmons is not moving up in the world.

I was a big fan of Murray before the injury, always thought he would develop his three point shot, but hasn't. I know SA doesn't emphasize threes, but he has taken enough of them to demonstrate that he is not a floor spacer. Nice player, just not all that interesting of a fit here unless he came with a lot more than Beasley attached.

I guess I'm in the minority but I'm not big on burying guys that do stupid crap when they're 21. Not excusing it, was really stupid, and reckless but to call a kid a scumbag loser is a bit much. He will be defined better how he recovers from that period in his life.

I'd also much rather take him, McDaniels, and Pat Bev then any of the other stuff being thrown out. Pat Bev fills a now need while not needing to rush Maxey into starting, Beasley can shoot the lights out and is still only 24, and McDaniels can slot in behind Tobias who can then hopefully be moved in another year. If we can get a pick also just a cherry on top

You would much rather have Beasley Beverly and McDaniels than Brogdon and levert?

[Philly's Best]

Takeaway the injury concerns and probably not. I am intrigued by McDaniels as a prospect though particularly if he continues to develop the way he was late last season

[sodmoraes]

I´m warming up for Brogdon + Levert and hopefully a pick? Brogdon would be really good here, my only concern is he´s injured a lot. But we could limit his minutes, since Maxey could play a lot too. Levert is kinda ineficient, but he´s a scorer, he can create and play two positions( sg and sf). We would be way more dangerous in the playoffs, easily. We would lost Ben´s defense, but our iso creation would improve greatly.

[spikeslovechild]

Beasley is a scumbag loser, so he is a non-starter here, we don't need that kind of attention in Philly and the risk that he will get in trouble again. Getting back a felon for Simmons is not moving up in the world.

I was a big fan of Murray before the injury, always thought he would develop his three point shot, but hasn't. I know SA doesn't emphasize threes, but he has taken enough of them to demonstrate that he is not a floor spacer. Nice player, just not all that interesting of a fit here unless he came with a lot more than Beasley attached.

I guess I'm in the minority but I'm not big on burying guys that do stupid crap when they're 21. Not excusing it, was really stupid, and reckless but to call a kid a scumbag loser is a bit much. He will be defined better how he recovers from that period in his life.

I'd also much rather take him, McDaniels, and Pat Bev then any of the other stuff being thrown out. Pat Bev fills a now need while not needing to rush Maxey into starting, Beasley can shoot the lights out and is still only 24, and McDaniels can slot in behind Tobias who can then hopefully be moved in another year. If we can get a pick also just a cherry on top

He was literally just arrested in September for threatening a family who went to view one of his properties and part of the arrest was felony drug possession (he was brandishing the firearm while high asf).

This isn't some sort of incident. You guys act like that was just a period in his life from a long distant past. He was sentenced to spend 120 days in jail (got out in 78) and was JUST released THIS AUGUST. I mean comeon man

I don't really want him but if the choice is between him and a stiff who can't play then obviously I'd take Beasly but he can't be a key piece coming back. Sorry. I really haven't even heard any rumors of that being the case either it seems more fan driven then anything