Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants)

[Tai]

There is no evidence that the unvaccinated are to blame for anything. I’m not talking about stopping it.

Here's the way I've seen it: Majority of covid patients in hospital are unvaccinated --> people with non-covid illnesses/injuries can't get admitted to hospital. If more people were vaccinated, hospitals wouldn't be as full (tho thankfully the numbers as of the last couple of weeks finally seem to be declining).

I dunno if that's "blaming" the unvaccinated, but do you disagree with that line of thinking?

So this is all about stopping hospitals from filling up? I don’t buy it. This is all about people sitting up on their high horses trying to tell people how to live. All these mandates are pathetic, I’m not on board with any of that BS.

What part don't you buy? There's been plenty of reporting about hospitalizations, as well as people not being able to get treatment for non-covid ailments in the process. And how does you not buying it means there's no evidence lol?

[exculpatory]

Here's the way I've seen it: Majority of covid patients in hospital are unvaccinated --> people with non-covid illnesses/injuries can't get admitted to hospital. If more people were vaccinated, hospitals wouldn't be as full (tho thankfully the numbers as of the last couple of weeks finally seem to be declining).

I dunno if that's "blaming" the unvaccinated, but do you disagree with that line of thinking?

So this is all about stopping hospitals from filling up? I don’t buy it. This is all about people sitting up on their high horses trying to tell people how to live. All these mandates are pathetic, I’m not on board with any of that BS.

What part don't you buy? There's been plenty of reporting about hospitalizations, as well as people not being able to get treatment for non-covid ailments in the process. And how does you not buying it means there's no evidence lol?

Because there are some people on earth who are too **** stupid to share the **** oxygen supply.

[Scarletfire81]

Just look at this thread, y’all are like an angry mob. It’s hilarious to see. It’s literally impossible to get 100 percent of society to agree on anything. It’s stupid to believe otherwise. No matter what, there will be a large number of people that disagree on issues. It doesn’t make them stupid, its normal human behavior. The unvaccinated aren’t trying to force anyone to agree with them. Yet the vaccinated are by having mandates. It’s sad.

[Curmudgeon]

Yes, we need mandates because the unvaccinated make the vaccinated less safe. Yes, I want to force everyone to agree to drive on the correct side of the road.

[Bad-Thoma]

Just look at this thread, y’all are like an angry mob. It’s hilarious to see. It’s literally impossible to get 100 percent of society to agree on anything. It’s stupid to believe otherwise. No matter what, there will be a large number of people that disagree on issues. It doesn’t make them stupid, its normal human behavior. The unvaccinated aren’t trying to force anyone to agree with them. Yet the vaccinated are by having mandates. It’s sad.

Most of the people in this thread are providing reasons, statistics, logic, and evidence to try and convince you and others that getting vaccinated is the right thing to do. That's hardly an angry mob but if you want to throw hyperbole into every post have at it. I'm not bothering with you in general because I can see all the evidence, stats, and arguments in the world are going to be like water off a duck where you're concerned. You have freedom of choice and in this case you're free to make the wrong choice. Like every choice it may have consequences both socially and physically and I hope they are minimal for you. I hope the consequences stop at you having to be mildly uncomfortable with "an angry mob" in an online thread.

Now that cases appear to be going down can people STFU about the unvaccinated?

To revisit this, the thread is titled Coronavirus/COVID-19 and the vaccine is obviously highly relevant to this. If you don't want to hear people trying to convince you to get vaccinated don't click on the **** thread. It's really not that complicated.

[Scarletfire81]

Just look at this thread, y’all are like an angry mob. It’s hilarious to see. It’s literally impossible to get 100 percent of society to agree on anything. It’s stupid to believe otherwise. No matter what, there will be a large number of people that disagree on issues. It doesn’t make them stupid, its normal human behavior. The unvaccinated aren’t trying to force anyone to agree with them. Yet the vaccinated are by having mandates. It’s sad.

Most of the people in this thread are providing reasons, statistics, logic, and evidence to try and convince you and others that getting vaccinated is the right thing to do. That's hardly an angry mob but if you want to throw hyperbole into every post have at it. I'm not bothering with you in general because I can see all the evidence, stats, and arguments in the world are going to be like water off a duck where you're concerned. You have freedom of choice and in this case you're free to make the wrong choice. Like every choice it may have consequences both socially and physically and I hope they are minimal for you. I hope the consequences stop at you having to be mildly uncomfortable with "an angry mob" in an online thread.

Now that cases appear to be going down can people STFU about the unvaccinated?

To revisit this, the thread is titled Coronavirus/COVID-19 and the vaccine is obviously highly relevant to this. If you don't want to hear people trying to convince you to get vaccinated don't click on the **** thread. It's really not that complicated.

I look at the data from India. They have less than 20 percent vaccinated and cases are way down. Tells me the vaccines didn’t really play a big part in the numbers going down. Vaccines have been stopped with like 12 people dying from it but for some reason this one has thousands of adverse reactions but they are sticking with it. You also have Pfizer employees caught saying natural immunity is better than the vaccine. These aren’t conspiracy theories….

[GWVan]

So I have scheduled my first shot for Tuesday. Just as I evaluated the risk from covid and didn't get vaccinated in the first place, I've looked at the numbers and don't see any reason to fear the vaccine, even if I don't need it due to natural immunity and have serious doubts about haw effective it even is.

In the end I want to keep that fat salary that I get from the federal government so I can continue to live in comfort while I condemn everything they do with every waking breath.

Apparently my hypocrisy goes further than I thought.

[canman1971]

Just look at this thread, y’all are like an angry mob. It’s hilarious to see. It’s literally impossible to get 100 percent of society to agree on anything. It’s stupid to believe otherwise. No matter what, there will be a large number of people that disagree on issues. It doesn’t make them stupid, its normal human behavior. The unvaccinated aren’t trying to force anyone to agree with them. Yet the vaccinated are by having mandates. It’s sad.

Most of the people in this thread are providing reasons, statistics, logic, and evidence to try and convince you and others that getting vaccinated is the right thing to do. That's hardly an angry mob but if you want to throw hyperbole into every post have at it. I'm not bothering with you in general because I can see all the evidence, stats, and arguments in the world are going to be like water off a duck where you're concerned. You have freedom of choice and in this case you're free to make the wrong choice. Like every choice it may have consequences both socially and physically and I hope they are minimal for you. I hope the consequences stop at you having to be mildly uncomfortable with "an angry mob" in an online thread.

Now that cases appear to be going down can people STFU about the unvaccinated?

To revisit this, the thread is titled Coronavirus/COVID-19 and the vaccine is obviously highly relevant to this. If you don't want to hear people trying to convince you to get vaccinated don't click on the **** thread. It's really not that complicated.

I look at the data from India. They have less than 20 percent vaccinated and cases are way down. Tells me the vaccines didn’t really play a big part in the numbers going down. Vaccines have been stopped with like 12 people dying from it but for some reason this one has thousands of adverse reactions but they are sticking with it. You also have Pfizer employees caught saying natural immunity is better than the vaccine. These aren’t conspiracy theories….

Once again, you post things with no sources, and "employees" saying blah, blah, blah. I guess you made your case rock solid.

[SuperDeluxe]

Just look at this thread, y’all are like an angry mob. It’s hilarious to see. It’s literally impossible to get 100 percent of society to agree on anything. It’s stupid to believe otherwise. No matter what, there will be a large number of people that disagree on issues. It doesn’t make them stupid, its normal human behavior. The unvaccinated aren’t trying to force anyone to agree with them. Yet the vaccinated are by having mandates. It’s sad.

Most of the people in this thread are providing reasons, statistics, logic, and evidence to try and convince you and others that getting vaccinated is the right thing to do. That's hardly an angry mob but if you want to throw hyperbole into every post have at it. I'm not bothering with you in general because I can see all the evidence, stats, and arguments in the world are going to be like water off a duck where you're concerned. You have freedom of choice and in this case you're free to make the wrong choice. Like every choice it may have consequences both socially and physically and I hope they are minimal for you. I hope the consequences stop at you having to be mildly uncomfortable with "an angry mob" in an online thread.

Now that cases appear to be going down can people STFU about the unvaccinated?

To revisit this, the thread is titled Coronavirus/COVID-19 and the vaccine is obviously highly relevant to this. If you don't want to hear people trying to convince you to get vaccinated don't click on the **** thread. It's really not that complicated.

I look at the data from India. They have less than 20 percent vaccinated and cases are way down. Tells me the vaccines didn’t really play a big part in the numbers going down. Vaccines have been stopped with like 12 people dying from it but for some reason this one has thousands of adverse reactions but they are sticking with it. You also have Pfizer employees caught saying natural immunity is better than the vaccine. These aren’t conspiracy theories….

There are 200 other countries in the world. What is the data saying?

Also, the only relevant data are hospitalizations and deaths. Cases should be taken with a grain of salt because they depend on testing -- the more aggressive the testing, the higher the number of cases. Testing is usually limited by availability of testing materials, the willingness of people to have a long stick inserted deep into their noses, and the willingness of governments to paint an accurate picture of what's going on.

[ballup]

Just look at this thread, y’all are like an angry mob. It’s hilarious to see. It’s literally impossible to get 100 percent of society to agree on anything. It’s stupid to believe otherwise. No matter what, there will be a large number of people that disagree on issues. It doesn’t make them stupid, its normal human behavior. The unvaccinated aren’t trying to force anyone to agree with them. Yet the vaccinated are by having mandates. It’s sad.

Most of the people in this thread are providing reasons, statistics, logic, and evidence to try and convince you and others that getting vaccinated is the right thing to do. That's hardly an angry mob but if you want to throw hyperbole into every post have at it. I'm not bothering with you in general because I can see all the evidence, stats, and arguments in the world are going to be like water off a duck where you're concerned. You have freedom of choice and in this case you're free to make the wrong choice. Like every choice it may have consequences both socially and physically and I hope they are minimal for you. I hope the consequences stop at you having to be mildly uncomfortable with "an angry mob" in an online thread.

Now that cases appear to be going down can people STFU about the unvaccinated?

To revisit this, the thread is titled Coronavirus/COVID-19 and the vaccine is obviously highly relevant to this. If you don't want to hear people trying to convince you to get vaccinated don't click on the **** thread. It's really not that complicated.

I look at the data from India. They have less than 20 percent vaccinated and cases are way down. Tells me the vaccines didn’t really play a big part in the numbers going down. Vaccines have been stopped with like 12 people dying from it but for some reason this one has thousands of adverse reactions but they are sticking with it. You also have Pfizer employees caught saying natural immunity is better than the vaccine. These aren’t conspiracy theories….

That's called a wave. The US has been through at least three of them. Vaccines and public health guidelines have greatly helped reduced infection/hospitalizations for states that have been diligent. Compare the northeast's rates to the south's rates during this latest wave.

We did stop covid vaccine distributions when problems arose. Few people were getting allergic reactions in the early rollout so we introduced a policy of a wait time after you get a shot. J&J's vaccine distribution was halted when people were getting blood clots.

You may have an objection to being called dumb, but it's not mistaken to call you highly misinformed.



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[Bad-Thoma]

Just look at this thread, y’all are like an angry mob. It’s hilarious to see. It’s literally impossible to get 100 percent of society to agree on anything. It’s stupid to believe otherwise. No matter what, there will be a large number of people that disagree on issues. It doesn’t make them stupid, its normal human behavior. The unvaccinated aren’t trying to force anyone to agree with them. Yet the vaccinated are by having mandates. It’s sad.

Most of the people in this thread are providing reasons, statistics, logic, and evidence to try and convince you and others that getting vaccinated is the right thing to do. That's hardly an angry mob but if you want to throw hyperbole into every post have at it. I'm not bothering with you in general because I can see all the evidence, stats, and arguments in the world are going to be like water off a duck where you're concerned. You have freedom of choice and in this case you're free to make the wrong choice. Like every choice it may have consequences both socially and physically and I hope they are minimal for you. I hope the consequences stop at you having to be mildly uncomfortable with "an angry mob" in an online thread.

Now that cases appear to be going down can people STFU about the unvaccinated?

To revisit this, the thread is titled Coronavirus/COVID-19 and the vaccine is obviously highly relevant to this. If you don't want to hear people trying to convince you to get vaccinated don't click on the **** thread. It's really not that complicated.

I look at the data from India. They have less than 20 percent vaccinated and cases are way down. Tells me the vaccines didn’t really play a big part in the numbers going down. Vaccines have been stopped with like 12 people dying from it but for some reason this one has thousands of adverse reactions but they are sticking with it. You also have Pfizer employees caught saying natural immunity is better than the vaccine. These aren’t conspiracy theories….

India might be on it's way down because up to 2/3s of the population may already been exposed and there has been massive underreporting of the cases and death toll. They might be approaching herd immunity and the cost might be between 3.5 million and 5 million dead.

https://cgdev.org/publication/three-new-estimates-indias-all-cause-excess-mortality-during-covid-19-pandemic

Once again I'm not posting this for you because I recognize you as being relatively logic proof, I'm posting it for anyone else reading the exchange.

[Curmudgeon]

I look at the data from India. They have less than 20 percent vaccinated and cases are way down.

Maybe they stopped counting, like Florida

[Andrew McCeltic]

Do you all realize that more people have died of Covid than in WWII, Korea and Vietnam? More people than in the Civil War? Do you not care? Do you not care because they’re mostly sickly and/or elderly? What if the virus hit kids and twenty somethings the same way? A massive loss of lives is bad. And hospitals are strained, medical care COSTS MONEY, and even if you dropped all distancing the worker absenteeism would cost money! It’s big picture stuff.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Most of the people in this thread are providing reasons, statistics, logic, and evidence to try and convince you and others that getting vaccinated is the right thing to do. That's hardly an angry mob but if you want to throw hyperbole into every post have at it. I'm not bothering with you in general because I can see all the evidence, stats, and arguments in the world are going to be like water off a duck where you're concerned. You have freedom of choice and in this case you're free to make the wrong choice. Like every choice it may have consequences both socially and physically and I hope they are minimal for you. I hope the consequences stop at you having to be mildly uncomfortable with "an angry mob" in an online thread.



To revisit this, the thread is titled Coronavirus/COVID-19 and the vaccine is obviously highly relevant to this. If you don't want to hear people trying to convince you to get vaccinated don't click on the **** thread. It's really not that complicated.

I look at the data from India. They have less than 20 percent vaccinated and cases are way down. Tells me the vaccines didn’t really play a big part in the numbers going down. Vaccines have been stopped with like 12 people dying from it but for some reason this one has thousands of adverse reactions but they are sticking with it. You also have Pfizer employees caught saying natural immunity is better than the vaccine. These aren’t conspiracy theories….

India might be on it's way down because up to 2/3s of the population may already been exposed and there has been massive underreporting of the cases and death toll. They might be approaching herd immunity and the cost might be between 3.5 million and 5 million dead.

https://cgdev.org/publication/three-new-estimates-indias-all-cause-excess-mortality-during-covid-19-pandemic

Once again I'm not posting this for you because I recognize you as being relatively logic proof, I'm posting it for anyone else reading the exchange.

For some reason when you give people the big picture and full context they think you’re.. idk.. lying? And they never directly reflect on the context, let alone refute it. I don’t know why that’s a good way to exist or make decisions. Yeah you have to concentrate to understand it, but so what

[coach mang]

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/10/07/uchealth-kidney-transplant-covid-vaccine/

[Marley2Hendrix]

Spoiler:

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/10/07/uchealth-kidney-transplant-covid-vaccine/

That is disgusting.

“For transplant patients who contract COVID-19, the mortality rate ranges from about 20% to more than 30%. This shows the extreme risk that COVID-19 poses to transplant recipients after their surgeries”

Um, I think the larger concern in the mortality rates of individuals in need of kidney transplants who do not receive a kidney. I believe that is better reserved for "extreme risk," as I'd venture it's close to 100%...

Also, I forgot who - but there was a question akin to: "What if the disease starts killing people in their 20s like it does to elderly?" Again, root ourselves in statistics - .0046% of individuals 65-74 have died of COVID in America, and we know the majority of those individuals who died had one or more significant comorbidities. Currently, .00008% of people in their 20s in the US have died of COVID, and, again, the majority have had one or more significant comorbidities. There is no statistical basis to assume a new COVID variant will jump out and kill 20-year-old individuals at a significantly increased rate (which would be .0046% based on the poster's fear it rises to the current elderly death rate, which doesn't take into account the fair assumption the elderly present with more comorbidities than 20-year-olds).

Everyone is free to read/pursue whatever articles they wish to seek out for whatever confirmation bias their side falls on (plenty of Vaccine is going great articles for all the vaccine efficacy is lower and shorter than advertised articles that have been popping up - I keep seeing proponents of either side generally dismissing the other or shifting focus to countries which favor their opinion). Either way, people keep getting vaccinated each day just as more unvaccinated people contract it, 99.979% of whom in America across all age ranges survive and develop strong immunities, suggesting we're almost through this. Let's not grow to hate each other in the mean time.

Not to jump in for the guy, but I believe this is the video he was referencing about Pfizer scientists saying natural immunity > vaccine status (I think someone already made a dig at Project Veritas, which is an easy way to ignore/dismiss/redirect from the notably interesting content - btw, plenty of screenshots of all the men featured in these videos were captured verifying employment via LinkedIn/Pfizer/etc. before they all noticeably were scrubbed within 24 hours of the video going live):

Watch on YouTube

Lastly, maybe some much needed humor/comedic relief:

Watch on YouTube

Spread love, not covid, homies.

[Tyakack]

Explain to me why you need to get vaxxed for ONLINE SCHOOLING. Lmao, what an absolute joke. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ucla-threatened-drop-online-classes-035954288.html

[Captain_Caveman]

So I have scheduled my first shot for Tuesday. Just as I evaluated the risk from covid and didn't get vaccinated in the first place, I've looked at the numbers and don't see any reason to fear the vaccine, even if I don't need it due to natural immunity and have serious doubts about haw effective it even is.

In the end I want to keep that fat salary that I get from the federal government so I can continue to live in comfort while I condemn everything they do with every waking breath.

Apparently my hypocrisy goes further than I thought.

So brave of you. The rest of us idiots got vaccinated months ago to protect ourselves, our loved ones, and the most vulnerable members of society. Not you. You held out until the bitter end, only because you were too unmotivated to go get another job in a booming market during a labor shortage where they are plentiful and easy to come by.

Bottom line is that you were in fact given a choice in the matter, and you chose.

[Captain_Caveman]

Explain to me why you need to get vaxxed for ONLINE SCHOOLING. Lmao, what an absolute joke. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ucla-threatened-drop-online-classes-035954288.html

[Tyakack]

Explain to me why you need to get vaxxed for ONLINE SCHOOLING. Lmao, what an absolute joke. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ucla-threatened-drop-online-classes-035954288.html