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[Roy The Natural]

That's not nearly enough. Two hurt guys who are above average when healthy and a bunch of 2nds.

If this was the best offer, Simmons would be a Sixer for a long time.

Do we know what the best offer is? Or will be? And it certainly doesn't seem that Simmons is going to be a 76ers for much longer now.

What has been reportedly been offered so far is Brogdon + prot. 1st rounder and CJ McCollum (+ pick maybe?). This deal gets you two of a kind

Listening to Zach Lowe and Marks, they proposed a deal with Toronto, that would send Dragic and OG Anunoby to 76ers for Simmons, as the best one they could come up with. Not that they were that satisfied with it or thought it should get done, but that's the ballpark value in their opinion Simmons holds around the league.

Also, you made out being above average sound almost like a insult - those guys are among top50 players in the league according to a few recent lists, although both are in that 40-50 range.

A lot of people are under the impression that Simmons has tanked his value down to nothing, and that the Sixers have to make a deal or they will be better off just moving on. All of which is false. The Sixers dumping Simmons does not benefit them in the slightest. It would be better to bring him back and deal with any headaches as they arise than dump him for guys who do not move the needle.

He has tanked his value, sure. Down to around Jrue Holiday range. That would be the CJ, 3 1sts, and 3 swaps deal.

Nonsense.... There's not a single team in the league that would prefer Jrue Holiday to CJ+6 years of control over another teams draft.

[JRoy]

Minny get: Simmons+Milton

Philly get: Lillard+Layman

Blazers get: Beverley+Prince+MIN(22,24,26,28)FRPs+PHI(23,25)FRPs+MIN(23,25,27)swaps+PHI(22,24,26)swaps

Are you serious?

Scrubs and late picks do not get Lillard.

[the_process]

…sitting at home, eating up that salary cap.

He’s doing that anyway. Sunk cost.

….right.

So instead of unsinking that cost by getting some productivity/value you’d rather continue to stay sunk for the next 4 years?

“Some” productivity? Some productivity isn’t going to cut it, no. A lot of value could cut it.

[zimpy27]

Minny get: Simmons+Milton

Philly get: Lillard+Layman

Blazers get: Beverley+Prince+MIN(22,24,26,28)FRPs+PHI(25,27)FRPs+MIN(23,25,27)swaps+PHI(24,26,28)swaps

Are you serious?

Scrubs and late picks do not get Lillard.

Why would you assume late picks? The scrubs are expiring filler. You are getting 6 FRPs and 6 swaps.

[the_process]

Do we know what the best offer is? Or will be? And it certainly doesn't seem that Simmons is going to be a 76ers for much longer now.

What has been reportedly been offered so far is Brogdon + prot. 1st rounder and CJ McCollum (+ pick maybe?). This deal gets you two of a kind

Listening to Zach Lowe and Marks, they proposed a deal with Toronto, that would send Dragic and OG Anunoby to 76ers for Simmons, as the best one they could come up with. Not that they were that satisfied with it or thought it should get done, but that's the ballpark value in their opinion Simmons holds around the league.

Also, you made out being above average sound almost like a insult - those guys are among top50 players in the league according to a few recent lists, although both are in that 40-50 range.

A lot of people are under the impression that Simmons has tanked his value down to nothing, and that the Sixers have to make a deal or they will be better off just moving on. All of which is false. The Sixers dumping Simmons does not benefit them in the slightest. It would be better to bring him back and deal with any headaches as they arise than dump him for guys who do not move the needle.

He has tanked his value, sure. Down to around Jrue Holiday range. That would be the CJ, 3 1sts, and 3 swaps deal.

Nonsense.... There's not a single team in the league that would prefer Jrue Holiday to CJ+6 years of control over another teams draft.

That entirely depends on where you project the picks of a Damian Lillard/Ben Simmons team into the future.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-teams-view-cj-mccollums-100-million-contract-as-slightly-negative-value-for-trade-purposes-per-report/

[JRoy]

Minny get: Simmons+Milton

Philly get: Lillard+Layman

Blazers get: Beverley+Prince+MIN(22,24,26,28)FRPs+PHI(25,27)FRPs+MIN(23,25,27)swaps+PHI(24,26,28)swaps

Are you serious?

Scrubs and late picks do not get Lillard.

Why would you assume late picks? The scrubs are expiring filler. You are getting 6 FRPs and 6 swaps.

A big handful of crap is still a handful of crap.

You want Lillard you’re going to give top assets to get him, not a ticket to Latepickville with a stopover in Scrubapalooza.

[basketballwacko2]

heres an idea that very well would improve the 76ers




To Indy:
Ben Simmons

To Philly
Collin Sexton
Malcolm Brogdon
Mason Plumlee
2022 Indiana top 10 protected


To Charlotte
Myles Turner


To Cleveland
Kai Jones
Jt Thor
Shake Milton
2022 NO 1st






Follow up trade


To Toronto
Mason Plumlee
2022 Indy 1st


to Philly
Chris Boucher






Embiid/Drummond
Harris/Boucher
Thybulle/Green
Brogdon/Maxey
Sexton/Curry

No way am I trading Brogdon and Turner and #1 and ending up with Ben "I can't shoot" Simmons.

I wish the 76'ers would hurry up and do something about him and end this giant circle jerk.

Someone has to make a real offer first.

Philly's expectations are out of line with reality. They asked for CJ and 3 #1 picks and 2 swaps? Now I don't think CJ is a great player but the picks strike me as out of line. CJ and #1's a 1 swap maybe. I think IF Portland wants Simmons they'll offer CJ and Covington plus a #1 and the 76'ers should take that and call it a day. Simmons is not James Harden, or AD they are not getting the big haul of picks and players for him. He's refusing to report and willfully giving up his pay checks.

[Roy The Natural]

A lot of people are under the impression that Simmons has tanked his value down to nothing, and that the Sixers have to make a deal or they will be better off just moving on. All of which is false. The Sixers dumping Simmons does not benefit them in the slightest. It would be better to bring him back and deal with any headaches as they arise than dump him for guys who do not move the needle.

He has tanked his value, sure. Down to around Jrue Holiday range. That would be the CJ, 3 1sts, and 3 swaps deal.

Nonsense.... There's not a single team in the league that would prefer Jrue Holiday to CJ+6 years of control over another teams draft.

That entirely depends on where you project the picks of a Damian Lillard/Ben Simmons team into the future.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-teams-view-cj-mccollums-100-million-contract-as-slightly-negative-value-for-trade-purposes-per-report/

Does it?... I don't think it does. It's not like expiring Jrue was mister value.

Even if you don't like CJ and you love Jrue... Jrue is a year older on a bigger contract that runs further. There's no logical reasoning to believe that Jrue will age any better than CJ. I can't think of a single team that would take Jrue over the versatility that CJ and 6 years of draft control of the Blazers. Especially considering Simmons playoff wilting and Lillard unsteady status with the organization. Don't make a fool of yourself here. You know you were off base. You were being hyperbolic, it's cool, just float back down to reality.

[zimpy27]

Are you serious?

Scrubs and late picks do not get Lillard.

Why would you assume late picks? The scrubs are expiring filler. You are getting 6 FRPs and 6 swaps.

A big handful of crap is still a handful of crap.

You want Lillard you’re going to give top assets to get him, not a ticket to Latepickville with a stopover in Scrubapalooza.

Would you prefer Simmons over Beverly+Prince+MIN(22,24,26,28)FRPs+MIN(23,25,27)swaps?

[jscott]

He’s doing that anyway. Sunk cost.

….right.

So instead of unsinking that cost by getting some productivity/value you’d rather continue to stay sunk for the next 4 years?

“Some” productivity? Some productivity isn’t going to cut it, no. A lot of value could cut it.

But what you said was, “If this was the best offer, Simmons would be a Sixer for a long time.”

So… if that’s the best offer, you’d rather let Simmons sit at home “for a long time” than get back some players and pick(s)?

[Dr Positivity]

Minny get: Simmons+Milton

Philly get: Lillard+Layman

Blazers get: Beverley+Prince+MIN(22,24,26,28)FRPs+PHI(23,25)FRPs+MIN(23,25,27)swaps+PHI(22,24,26)swaps

Shouldn't there be a way to do this where doing some of the Minnesota part first allows Philly to trade 4 of their own 1sts?

So 8 1st round picks, 5 swaps

[zimpy27]

Minny get: Simmons+Milton

Philly get: Lillard+Layman

Blazers get: Beverley+Prince+MIN(22,24,26,28)FRPs+PHI(23,25)FRPs+MIN(23,25,27)swaps+PHI(22,24,26)swaps

Shouldn't there be a way to do this where doing some of the Minnesota part first allows Philly to trade 4 of their own 1sts?

So 8 1st round picks, 5 swaps

Yeah Philly could definitely trade all 4 FRPs. Working a 3-way trade enables them to setup swaps better I think.

I just don't think Simmons+4FRP is worth Lillard. But maybe Morey would pull the trigger on it.

8 FRPs and 4 swaps is the limit.
Could also do 7 FRPs and 6 swaps.

[JRoy]

Why would you assume late picks? The scrubs are expiring filler. You are getting 6 FRPs and 6 swaps.

A big handful of crap is still a handful of crap.

You want Lillard you’re going to give top assets to get him, not a ticket to Latepickville with a stopover in Scrubapalooza.

Would you prefer Simmons over Beverly+Prince+MIN(22,24,26,28)FRPs+MIN(23,25,27)swaps?

I would rather not trade Lillard at all.

If he was traded it would take more than Simmons to get him.

[cucad8]

Minny get: Simmons+Milton

Philly get: Lillard+Layman

Blazers get: Beverley+Prince+MIN(22,24,26,28)FRPs+PHI(25,27)FRPs+MIN(23,25,27)swaps+PHI(24,26,28)swaps

I know arguments about valuations have taken over just trade ideas in this thread often, so sorry if I contribute on that end as well, but I have CJ closer to SImmons than Dame in overall value. And if Philly was wanting CJ, 3 1sts, and 3 swaps, supposedly, for CJ, here, they get Dame for Simmons, with only 2 1sts, 3 and 5 years from now, and 3 swaps.

I have no interest in most Dame swaps, I'll be honest. And while getting 6 1sts for him could be seen as decent value, it's still just year after year for years. The swaps could hold value based on either team potentially declining, but lose value when you assume that Portland is in a rebuild after moving Dame. It's a no from this Blazers fan. If Dame decides after this season he wants out, I know the value will be different than this, but I'll take my chances always on taking miracle shots around a franchise player than hoping to find another one with undecided draft picks.

[Roy The Natural]

Minny get: Simmons+Milton

Philly get: Lillard+Layman

Blazers get: Beverley+Prince+MIN(22,24,26,28)FRPs+PHI(25,27)FRPs+MIN(23,25,27)swaps+PHI(24,26,28)swaps

I know arguments about valuations have taken over just trade ideas in this thread often, so sorry if I contribute on that end as well, but I have CJ closer to SImmons than Dame in overall value. And if Philly was wanting CJ, 3 1sts, and 3 swaps, supposedly, for CJ, here, they get Dame for Simmons, with only 2 1sts, 3 and 5 years from now, and 3 swaps.

I have no interest in most Dame swaps, I'll be honest. And while getting 6 1sts for him could be seen as decent value, it's still just year after year for years. The swaps could hold value based on either team potentially declining, but lose value when you assume that Portland is in a rebuild after moving Dame. It's a no from this Blazers fan. If Dame decides after this season he wants out, I know the value will be different than this, but I'll take my chances always on taking miracle shots around a franchise player than hoping to find another one with undecided draft picks.

It's the good old "One in the hand, is worth two in the bush"....