Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[Tomjas]

Why would Pacers picks be in the lottery?

They have a talented roster and a good coach

[76ciology]

2021 draft is deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep. Mobley/Green need two years before we can look into the top end but other than that it’s deeper than the Mariana Trench.

And yet we haven’t hit any of our 3 picks. Shame on the scouting team. No excuse if we here can see it then whoever is their should hit all three picks blindfolded.

Also good spot 76ciology on Bones Hyland.

And yes I don’t rate Edwards highly in fact Christopher for me who I already liked is chomping at the bit to actually get a starting role down the line.

6”4” 220 athletically he’s not far off Edwards... skillwise and mentality I think he maybe better in due time. Big call, huge call even but he’s one of my boys for a reason.

Also Murphy III is a stud muffin but I already knew that.

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Out: Sixers whole organization

A part of it is because its deep, a part is because its filled with guards who can score and a part is because the game is near bogusly played on offense that its easier to score in the NBA than in NCAA or FIBA.

I think we’re going to see a high influx of scorers coming into the league that is going to make the value of these 14-16ppg scoring guards plummet because of high supply.

People laugh at Morey and his high demand. But look around..

Check the draft.
Check the league.

There’s a lack of supply of talented 6’7-6’9 forwards out there.

What’s abundant is guards and centers.

Value is driven by supply and demand.

[76ciology]

Why would Pacers picks be in the lottery?

They have a talented roster and a good coach

Big drop off on offense. They wont be able to match other team’s scoring. They’re losing around 40ppg.

Also weak 1v1 and 2v2 games.

Who can score on iso or run PnR after the trade?

If they rely on defense, that’s almost a guarantee lottery team.

[DCasey91]

I like the kid but man does Springer remind me of Zhaire that bulked up for a strongman contest lol

I agree 76ciology, Barnes and Giddey in two different comps literally was pushing it if you want 12+ ppg a game.... now they both look like capable scorers like wtf.

I mean if Ben can average 16 with no jumper, average to bad big man skills and being a scardey cat it should be no troubles for some random role player to average 20ppg for a year.

[DCasey91]

That's a lot to ask from Portland! I don't know....CJ and a couple future firsts should honestly do it. I don't know though. I'm not a GM.
I'm a huge Caris LeVert fan! He's shown the ability to be de facto point guard on a team, I'm just a big fan all around. He's very talented, but also often injured. If Brogdon and LeVert have or were to be offered for Ben Simmons and another player, I would jump all over it. At some point you have to take a risk and just roll with the consequences.

We're going to struggle this year if we stay put as is and Ben sits out. That is unless Shake, Thybulle, Maxey, Kork, and Joe all take big steps towards improving their games. As of right now, we have NO point guard to speak of. Jaden Springer is G League bound and I personally don't think he'll be very good. Maxey can score more than he can initiate. Shake is also a scorer. We have nobody that can run an offense, and it's going to show right away. If Simmons is going to sit it out and we aren't going to trade him, then we need to make a move for a veteran point guard that can at least make an entry pass into Embiid. Ish Smith, TJ, Aaron Holiday, Monte Morris, somebody! It's going to get ugly without a true point guard on this roster. At this point Tim Frazier, Yogi Ferrell, Mike James, Jeff Teague, Matthew Dellavedova all look like upgrades over anyone we currently have available! That's concerning! Anyone that thinks Shake or Maxey can hold it down is a fool. Tobias Harris can't either. It's going to be a problem. Ben Simmons is a point guard in a power forwards body. The offense is a lot better IN THE REGULAR SEASON when he's running it. For whatever reason, he withers and dies in the playoffs but that's neither here nor there right now. Right now we need a point guard. Hindsight is 20/20 but we should have drafted Shariffe Cooper instead. That's going to come back to bite us.

Brunson, Flynn, Pritchard, Cooper that’s in the past couple of drafts (I’m sure you could find others just like that)

Add on someone like Jones, FVV and TJ too.

That’s pick 33, 29, 26, 24, 48, undrafted, undrafted

Look at that median average.

If you actually play numerous years in the NBA you’re actually top 20 or so in basically every redraft of that year under the sun.

I think there’s an angle we should capitalize on. Very late draft picked smaller PG’s (some aren’t small though lol) that are actually downright NBA quality.

I mean that’s a little goldmine that should be picked apart every year to me.

[DCasey91]

For me now you should be hitting 80++% on any pick inside the top 30 in every draft to me.

Literally every tool is available to you. No excuse

We here watch clips, check stats sometimes games/replays, we have f** all resources and yet we are far superior at spotting talent.

... it’s mind numbing lol.

[DCasey91]

Morey’s probably in some room and be like

Watch on YouTube

Morey is really on this forum he’s sending us all plane tickets in due time and we all become the Sixers FO. What’s better than one Jonah Hill? Ten Jonah Hill’s.

[Tomjas]

Why would Pacers picks be in the lottery?

They have a talented roster and a good coach

Big drop off on offense. They wont be able to match other team’s scoring. They’re losing around 40ppg.

Also weak 1v1 and 2v2 games.

Who can score on iso or run PnR after the trade?

If they rely on defense, that’s almost a guarantee lottery team.

You’re acting like Simmons, Sabonis, Turner & Carlile are scrubs

If the Pacers play their cards right, they will be better than us

[76ciology]

Why would Pacers picks be in the lottery?

They have a talented roster and a good coach

Big drop off on offense. They wont be able to match other team’s scoring. They’re losing around 40ppg.

Also weak 1v1 and 2v2 games.

Who can score on iso or run PnR after the trade?

If they rely on defense, that’s almost a guarantee lottery team.

You’re acting like Simmons, Sabonis, Turner & Carlile are scrubs

If the Pacers play their cards right, they will be better than us

Nice you think of that. That tells me they may view the deal to not be one sided favoring us.

[stormi]

Brogdon + Levert is career suicide for Joel Embiid. Literally what is the point or the end goal.

Not necessarily. You’ll be putting your eggs on three baskets. On Brogdon, on LeVert and on the pick from Pacers.

If there are better deals, I’d do those.
But if not, i wouldnt mind this deal.

We can get a Bouknight or Cam Thomas type player with the couple of picks we have after the deal in the 2022 draft. We can also trade up with our picks and Brogdon&LeVert for Dame next season if that’s available.

Im not a clairvoyant that i can see what will happen but I think its not as risky just as we do our due diligence to check their health status.

In the case of Brogdon and Levert, those eggs are hatched though unfortunately. We know what they are. They aren't horrible players, but in terms of win now pieces they don't move the needle in comparison to the Lakers/Nets/Bucks - and in terms of flippability at a future date, they won't ever be as attractive as a 25 year old Ben Simmons on the open market. You just cannot break down your last major asset during the attempt to build a championship squad around your generational center for a collection of injury prone C tier assets.

[Rastas]

Morey’s probably in some room and be like

Watch on YouTube

That's only Morey in your fantasy , real Morey is so rattled he can hardly put a few words together and just bobble his head going by the opening presser.
Don't be expecting any trades soon people.
Expect drama and more drama until something breaks

[Rastas]

Morey is really on this forum he’s sending us all plane tickets in due time and we all become the Sixers FO. What’s better than one Jonah Hill? Ten Jonah Hill’s.[/quote]

None of you over emotional guy's flooding this board are remotely anything like Jonah's character here except maybe in build.

[76ciology]

Morey is really on this forum he’s sending us all plane tickets in due time and we all become the Sixers FO. What’s better than one Jonah Hill? Ten Jonah Hill’s.

None of you over emotional guy's flooding this board are remotely anything like Jonah's character here except maybe in build. [/quote]

true

Its called the lockdown fitness its a new fitness lifestyle

[76ciology]

Brogdon + Levert is career suicide for Joel Embiid. Literally what is the point or the end goal.

Not necessarily. You’ll be putting your eggs on three baskets. On Brogdon, on LeVert and on the pick from Pacers.

If there are better deals, I’d do those.
But if not, i wouldnt mind this deal.

We can get a Bouknight or Cam Thomas type player with the couple of picks we have after the deal in the 2022 draft. We can also trade up with our picks and Brogdon&LeVert for Dame next season if that’s available.

Im not a clairvoyant that i can see what will happen but I think its not as risky just as we do our due diligence to check their health status.

In the case of Brogdon and Levert, those eggs are hatched though unfortunately. We know what they are. They aren't horrible players, but in terms of win now pieces they don't move the needle in comparison to the Lakers/Nets/Bucks - and in terms of flippability at a future date, they won't ever be as attractive as a 25 year old Ben Simmons on the open market. You just cannot break down your last major asset during the attempt to build a championship squad around your generational center for a collection of injury prone C tier assets.

You got one of the best return for your last major asset.

Its not like we’re passing up offers for Doncic. What are we passing up? Beasley from the Wolves, Murray from the Spurs or CJ?

Another thing is, like I said we should do our due diligence. If our staff say those two guys are not high risk players, then we do it. But if they say two players are made of glass then we pass it up.

Personally, Brogdon and picks is already OK with me. LeVert as a sweetener is a done deal.

Lastly, last major asset is relative and that’s why there’s a lot of prospect theory and endowment effect to it involved. Like.. if Tobi averages 23ppg 6rpg and 6apg with the opportunity he has to fill with Ben’s departure or Maxey averages 20-5-5, then Ben is not “the last major asset”.

I’d rather look at Ben Simmons at what he is and what our situation right now. Then I look at moves where I think it will benefit the team than values im getting in return. Then I’d also put risk in terms of probability and finding ways to mitigate it than binary. What’s his health right now and not what his health was before and what’s the likelihood that he’ll be injured badly again then do we have compensation if that happens.

You deal with the bad cards handed to you, you structure a circumstance where the cards could be a good hand.

[eyeatoma]

If Levert and Brogdon are ironmen, do you think you have a chance to trade Ben for both guys.

There’s one way to counter these injury prone guys, surround them with a lot of talent that you take the load off from them so they wont breakdown.

This is one of the biggest reasons why superstars team up after their prime.

Pacers is also handing us picks so we have back-up in case those two injures their way into oblivion

There's one thing if you have 1 injury prone player. Having 3, with one of them just recovering from cancer, is a recipe for disaster. You can surround all of the talent in the world, if one of them is out for an extended period of time, has a career changing injury, or if LeVert gets cancer again it's over. What's worse, having them both on the team, will make us good, but the Nets will still be better, the Bucks will be an even matchup.

So really we're risking it to be what, an ECF team? That is not a championship team. Even without the injuries.

My position always was that our WORLD’S BEST medical staff check them first and do their due diligence before making the deal. If they think they’re “healthy”, thats the only time i’ll pull the trigger.

When healthy, I think we can make it to the finals and have the chance to win it.

And if not healthy, i’ll be glad to take a breather with two lottery picks in 2022 draft.

I love this mindset that if you are an underdog or have a really low chance of winning, you need to have a high variance game (i believe its morey who said it, will check), where you make volatility your friend and I think thats what you’re direction is when you do that deal or if you can’t build a superteam around Embiid which is very likely the case right now

That first sentence should tell you exactly why we shouldn't do the deal. We are the worst team to have a bunch of injured players on. This is not the Phoenix Suns black magic medical staff.

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[eyeatoma]

Brogdon + Levert is career suicide for Joel Embiid. Literally what is the point or the end goal.

Not necessarily. You’ll be putting your eggs on three baskets. On Brogdon, on LeVert and on the pick from Pacers.

If there are better deals, I’d do those.
But if not, i wouldnt mind this deal.

We can get a Bouknight or Cam Thomas type player with the couple of picks we have after the deal in the 2022 draft. We can also trade up with our picks and Brogdon&LeVert for Dame next season if that’s available.

Im not a clairvoyant that i can see what will happen but I think its not as risky just as we do our due diligence to check their health status.

In the case of Brogdon and Levert, those eggs are hatched though unfortunately. We know what they are. They aren't horrible players, but in terms of win now pieces they don't move the needle in comparison to the Lakers/Nets/Bucks - and in terms of flippability at a future date, they won't ever be as attractive as a 25 year old Ben Simmons on the open market. You just cannot break down your last major asset during the attempt to build a championship squad around your generational center for a collection of injury prone C tier assets.

This a .

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[76ciology]

There's one thing if you have 1 injury prone player. Having 3, with one of them just recovering from cancer, is a recipe for disaster. You can surround all of the talent in the world, if one of them is out for an extended period of time, has a career changing injury, or if LeVert gets cancer again it's over. What's worse, having them both on the team, will make us good, but the Nets will still be better, the Bucks will be an even matchup.

So really we're risking it to be what, an ECF team? That is not a championship team. Even without the injuries.

My position always was that our WORLD’S BEST medical staff check them first and do their due diligence before making the deal. If they think they’re “healthy”, thats the only time i’ll pull the trigger.

When healthy, I think we can make it to the finals and have the chance to win it.

And if not healthy, i’ll be glad to take a breather with two lottery picks in 2022 draft.

I love this mindset that if you are an underdog or have a really low chance of winning, you need to have a high variance game (i believe its morey who said it, will check), where you make volatility your friend and I think thats what you’re direction is when you do that deal or if you can’t build a superteam around Embiid which is very likely the case right now

That first sentence should tell you exactly why we shouldn't do the deal. We are the worst team to have a bunch of injured players on. This is not the Phoenix Suns black magic medical staff.

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Bro, i cant argue with that you know.

Like as much as I want to prove my point, i cant help but use those laughing emojis to what im saying

[eyeatoma]

Why would Pacers picks be in the lottery?

They have a talented roster and a good coach

Big drop off on offense. They wont be able to match other team’s scoring. They’re losing around 40ppg.

Also weak 1v1 and 2v2 games.

Who can score on iso or run PnR after the trade?

If they rely on defense, that’s almost a guarantee lottery team.

You’re acting like Simmons, Sabonis, Turner & Carlile are scrubs

If the Pacers play their cards right, they will be better than us

Turner will give you 15 ppg max. They don't have a lot of offense.

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[nitocobola]

levert lmfao, gtfo. He is a chucker with no value whatsoever


With this type of deals simmons isnt gonna get traded any time soon. Enjoy the bench benni

[Tomjas]

Big drop off on offense. They wont be able to match other team’s scoring. They’re losing around 40ppg.

Also weak 1v1 and 2v2 games.

Who can score on iso or run PnR after the trade?

If they rely on defense, that’s almost a guarantee lottery team.

You’re acting like Simmons, Sabonis, Turner & Carlile are scrubs

If the Pacers play their cards right, they will be better than us

Turner will give you 15 ppg max. They don't have a lot of offense.

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And then they trade Sabonis for Fox

Simmons/Fox/Turner completely smokes the Sixers

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