With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[Los_29]

Lol, I remember there were some people in here that wanted us to take Wagner if we stayed at 7 or 8. They got so mad when I called him the SF version of Jakob Poeltl. They should go ask Magic fans how he's been looking.

Of all the players that were available at 8, they picked frigging Wagner lol.

I’d be sick to my stomach

Bouknight at worst will be an elite role player. Wagner could easily be a total bust.

When I think of a role-player I don't think of guys like Bouknight. Bouknight is in that Jordan Clarkson mold where they can give you instant offense but won't really impact the game in other ways.

And man, this board would not be able to handle a rebuild. Two preseason games in and people are throwing out the bust labels already. Orlando fans must be having a meltdown. Their two top 10 picks are shooting like a combined 15% from the field.

[Reeko]

Of all the players that were available at 8, they picked frigging Wagner lol.

I’d be sick to my stomach

Bouknight at worst will be an elite role player. Wagner could easily be a total bust.

When I think of a role-player I don't think of guys like Bouknight. Bouknight is in that Jordan Clarkson mold where they can give you instant offense but won't really impact the game in other ways.

And man, this board would not be able to handle a rebuild. Two preseason games in and people are throwing out the bust labels already. Orlando fans must be having a meltdown. Their two top 10 picks are shooting like a combined 15% from the field.

In fairness to them, Orlando has to be one of the worst situations to be in for a rookie. It's a team comprised of mostly young players that are trying to establish themselves, many of whom have mediocre talent levels ie Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz. Probably doesn't help that they have a 1st year head coach running things. Kudos to Suggs if he can grow there and reach his full potential, because it's not going to be easy.

[Los_29]

Bouknight at worst will be an elite role player. Wagner could easily be a total bust.

When I think of a role-player I don't think of guys like Bouknight. Bouknight is in that Jordan Clarkson mold where they can give you instant offense but won't really impact the game in other ways.

And man, this board would not be able to handle a rebuild. Two preseason games in and people are throwing out the bust labels already. Orlando fans must be having a meltdown. Their two top 10 picks are shooting like a combined 15% from the field.

In fairness to them, Orlando has to be one of the worst situations to be in for a rookie. It's a team comprised of mostly young players that are trying to establish themselves, many of whom have mediocre talent levels ie Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz. Probably doesn't help that they have a 1st year head coach running things. Kudos to Suggs if he can grow there and reach his full potential, because it's not going to be easy.

Agreed. That's why I laugh at the people who think Suggs intentionally tanked his workout with us so he could go to Orlando. Orlando is a terrible franchise. I said it before but Scottie is very lucky to have landed here. Our team was the only team in the lottery aside from Golden State that has a culture of winning and a reputation for player development. And I don't even think you can say that about Golden State anymore.

[HumbleRen]

When I think of a role-player I don't think of guys like Bouknight. Bouknight is in that Jordan Clarkson mold where they can give you instant offense but won't really impact the game in other ways.

And man, this board would not be able to handle a rebuild. Two preseason games in and people are throwing out the bust labels already. Orlando fans must be having a meltdown. Their two top 10 picks are shooting like a combined 15% from the field.

In fairness to them, Orlando has to be one of the worst situations to be in for a rookie. It's a team comprised of mostly young players that are trying to establish themselves, many of whom have mediocre talent levels ie Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz. Probably doesn't help that they have a 1st year head coach running things. Kudos to Suggs if he can grow there and reach his full potential, because it's not going to be easy.

Agreed. That's why I laugh at the people who think Suggs intentionally tanked his workout with us so he could go to Orlando. Orlando is a terrible franchise. I said it before but Scottie is very lucky to have landed here. Our team was the only team in the lottery aside from Golden State that has a culture of winning and a reputation for player development. And I don't even think you can say that about Golden State anymore.

Relax lol. Jordan Poole looks like a candidate for MIP.

[Madhouse]

When I think of a role-player I don't think of guys like Bouknight. Bouknight is in that Jordan Clarkson mold where they can give you instant offense but won't really impact the game in other ways.

And man, this board would not be able to handle a rebuild. Two preseason games in and people are throwing out the bust labels already. Orlando fans must be having a meltdown. Their two top 10 picks are shooting like a combined 15% from the field.

In fairness to them, Orlando has to be one of the worst situations to be in for a rookie. It's a team comprised of mostly young players that are trying to establish themselves, many of whom have mediocre talent levels ie Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz. Probably doesn't help that they have a 1st year head coach running things. Kudos to Suggs if he can grow there and reach his full potential, because it's not going to be easy.

Agreed. That's why I laugh at the people who think Suggs intentionally tanked his workout with us so he could go to Orlando. Orlando is a terrible franchise. I said it before but Scottie is very lucky to have landed here. Our team was the only team in the lottery aside from Golden State that has a culture of winning and a reputation for player development. And I don't even think you can say that about Golden State anymore.

good point about the development. Unless you are an absolute no brainer superstar with little holes in your game, it really does matter which team drafts you.

Orlando doesn't really look to have a plan for anyone. That roster just doesn't fit together at all.

[Los_29]

In fairness to them, Orlando has to be one of the worst situations to be in for a rookie. It's a team comprised of mostly young players that are trying to establish themselves, many of whom have mediocre talent levels ie Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz. Probably doesn't help that they have a 1st year head coach running things. Kudos to Suggs if he can grow there and reach his full potential, because it's not going to be easy.

Agreed. That's why I laugh at the people who think Suggs intentionally tanked his workout with us so he could go to Orlando. Orlando is a terrible franchise. I said it before but Scottie is very lucky to have landed here. Our team was the only team in the lottery aside from Golden State that has a culture of winning and a reputation for player development. And I don't even think you can say that about Golden State anymore.

Relax lol. Jordan Poole looks like a candidate for MIP.

Let's not get too excited about preseason.

What players have they developed in the past 7-8 years? I honestly can't think of anyone of note other then Draymond.

[everdiso]

Per36

S.Barnes 3gm, 13.3pts (50.6ts%), 8.4ast (3.5to), 7.5rb (3.1off), 1.3st, 1.8bk
J.Green 2gm, 20.7pts (47.9ts%), 2.6ast (1.3to), 7.1rb (0.6off), 1.9st, 0.0bk
E.Mobley 3gm, 10.7pts (48.5ts%), 0.9ast (2.2to), 10.7rb (1.8off), 0.9st, 2.2bk
J.Suggs 2gm, 9.1pts (28.5ts%), 4.1ast (3.3to), 8.2rb (0.8off), 0.8st, 2.5bk
C.Cunningham 0gm

[hype_2004]

Per36

S.Barnes 3gm, 13.3pts (50.6ts%), 8.4ast (3.5to), 7.5rb (3.1off), 1.3st, 1.8bk
J.Green 2gm, 20.7pts (47.9ts%), 2.6ast (1.3to), 7.1rb (0.6off), 1.9st, 0.0bk
E.Mobley 3gm, 10.7pts (48.5ts%), 0.9ast (2.2to), 10.7rb (1.8off), 0.9st, 2.2bk
J.Suggs 2gm, 9.1pts (28.5ts%), 4.1ast (3.3to), 8.2rb (0.8off), 0.8st, 2.5bk
C.Cunningham 0gm

Triple double threat with All defense? Isn't that worthy of being picked first overall and a surefire hall of famer

[JShuttlesworth]

I know we had Lowry, who's the franchise leader in triple-doubles, but Barnes is probably the first true triple-double threat this team has ever had. He might even be able to secure a triple-double or two as a rookie, which I doubt has been done by any Raptors rookie.

I'm eagerly awaiting Barnes to get a little more assertive getting his own basket, especially in the short-range / mid-range. He's a great passer, has great vision, but he seems to look for the pass in moments where it would be easier to get the basket himself. He has definitely shown signs (even last night against Horford) where he attacked him and got a bucket -- We need to see some more of that.

Teams will have to respect his ability to score and it will open up his passing game even more for him.

[OakleyDokely]

Lowry has the franchise record with 16 triple doubles. Barnes probably passes that before the end of his rookie contract.

[Dino-Might]

I think the tide of public opinion has definitely turned now. The general sentiment now from outside Toronto also seems to be that the Raptors made the right pick with Scottie.

Everyone sees his special talents, attributes and potential.

[Reeko]

I know we had Lowry, who's the franchise leader in triple-doubles, but Barnes is probably the first true triple-double threat this team has ever had. He might even be able to secure a triple-double or two as a rookie, which I doubt has been done by any Raptors rookie.

I'm eagerly awaiting Barnes to get a little more assertive getting his own basket, especially in the short-range / mid-range. He's a great passer, has great vision, but he seems to look for the pass in moments where it would be easier to get the basket himself. He has definitely shown signs (even last night against Horford) where he attacked him and got a bucket -- We need to see some more of that.

Teams will have to respect his ability to score and it will open up his passing game even more for him.

It was done by Damon Stoudamire in his rookie season. Which isn't that surprising given how much the ball was in his hands on that dumpster fire of a team.

[The_Hater]

Lol, I remember there were some people in here that wanted us to take Wagner if we stayed at 7 or 8. They got so mad when I called him the SF version of Jakob Poeltl. They should go ask Magic fans how he's been looking.

Of all the players that were available at 8, they picked frigging Wagner lol.

I’d be sick to my stomach

Bouknight at worst will be an elite role player. Wagner could easily be a total bust.

We could wait until some of these guys play their first NBA game.

[gp2015]

Agreed. That's why I laugh at the people who think Suggs intentionally tanked his workout with us so he could go to Orlando. Orlando is a terrible franchise. I said it before but Scottie is very lucky to have landed here. Our team was the only team in the lottery aside from Golden State that has a culture of winning and a reputation for player development. And I don't even think you can say that about Golden State anymore.

Relax lol. Jordan Poole looks like a candidate for MIP.

Let's not get too excited about preseason.

What players have they developed in the past 7-8 years? I honestly can't think of anyone of note other then Draymond.

They were too busy playing in the Finals and winning championships to care. They were in win now mode and acquiring players that would contribute right away, not focused on player development. They already had their main core in Curry, Klay and Draymond.

You're not going to get very much success with where they've been drafting but that is obviously changing in the past few years.

[Madhouse]

I know we had Lowry, who's the franchise leader in triple-doubles, but Barnes is probably the first true triple-double threat this team has ever had. He might even be able to secure a triple-double or two as a rookie, which I doubt has been done by any Raptors rookie.

I'm eagerly awaiting Barnes to get a little more assertive getting his own basket, especially in the short-range / mid-range. He's a great passer, has great vision, but he seems to look for the pass in moments where it would be easier to get the basket himself. He has definitely shown signs (even last night against Horford) where he attacked him and got a bucket -- We need to see some more of that.

Teams will have to respect his ability to score and it will open up his passing game even more for him.

agreed. It's obvious he has a pass first mindset. We need to make him more selfish. He looks like a pretty good scorer around midrange and closer, just isn't assertive enough right now

[Los_29]

Relax lol. Jordan Poole looks like a candidate for MIP.

Let's not get too excited about preseason.

What players have they developed in the past 7-8 years? I honestly can't think of anyone of note other then Draymond.

They were too busy playing in the Finals and winning championships to care. They were in win now mode and acquiring players that would contribute right away, not focused on player development. They already had their main core in Curry, Klay and Draymond.

You're not going to get very much success with where they've been drafting but that is obviously changing in the past few years.

That's a ridiculous excuse. You just don't stop developing players because you're a good team. Look at us and Miami. We assembled a championship roster with late FRP's, SRP's and undrafted players.

GSW lucked out by signing KD who won them multiple championships. Without that signing they'd be sitting on one title. They did a great job of building a core of Klay, Curry and Dray. All of whom were late lottery picks and second rounders. However, that was 10 years ago. I honestly can't think of one player that they have developed since then. Their lack of player development is the reason why they are in the position they are in now.

They've been a mediocre organization the past few years. They have a terribly constructed roster, made a disastrous move in drafting Wiseman over Ball and then they opted to draft Kuminga and Moody who are nowhere near ready to pair up with their aging core.

What a mess.

[Dalek]

After watching him progress from game to game we can see a gifted passer who is transition and in half court is a passer with range to kick out to shooters.

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When Nurse mentioned that people will play him for the pass it is a real issue. He is not taking or making threes and the defense will sag off him.

The option emerging from his game is the high post. He is a a very good passer where he can find cutters but he can also score. Great footwork and creates enough space.

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What we want is for the defense to keep guessing and with the mid range he creates a threat. For it to really work we need to get bigs out of the paint. Both Birch and Achuiwa need to space the floor and that might not be respected if they do. Boucher would be great if he could play C.

[Bruin]

Considering Scottie only recently turned 20 do you guys think he’s still growing?

I know guys like Simmons, Giannis, Tatum, Paul George, and others have grown an inch or more when in the league

I think Scottie could technically reach 6’9” or 6’10” in a year

[Clay Davis]

Relax lol. Jordan Poole looks like a candidate for MIP.

Let's not get too excited about preseason.

What players have they developed in the past 7-8 years? I honestly can't think of anyone of note other then Draymond.

They were too busy playing in the Finals and winning championships to care. They were in win now mode and acquiring players that would contribute right away, not focused on player development. They already had their main core in Curry, Klay and Draymond.

You're not going to get very much success with where they've been drafting but that is obviously changing in the past few years.

So... who have they developed?

[AbC?]

Averaging 6.5 assists through 3 games as a non-primary ball handler for a rookie playing for the first time against NBA competition isn't getting enough attention. His IQ and feel for the game is elite.

His defense actually hasn't been that great because he doesn't respect the blow-by ability of NBA players yet. Nurse wants all his players to pressure the ball but Barnes will learn to use his length and not get right underneath guys at this level. Off-ball he has been caught sending unnecessary help or missing a rotation. Still, there is no doubt the Raptors will turn him into an elite level defender. The willingness, understanding of the game and defensive tools are there.

The midrange flashes are promising. He can get to his spot and his shot should be unblockable at his height/wingspan. Needs a tonne of reps though but his touch is nice.

It's obvious why the Raptors took him. He has all the physical tools, the character and the innate feel for the game that can't be taught. It's now basically up to the development staff to mold him into a great player.