2021-22 Preseason

[JonFromVA]

I thought maybe they were running Love in the second unit because they didn’t want to see him get booed out of the stadium. But he was getting the loudest crowd pops all night which just blows my mind.

You can’t run a my turn, your turn offense unless you’re Brooklyn. We seem to have that as our system in place now. Our schedule is so hard the first 20 games that I’m almost hoping for a 3-17 start that triggers a full start over in the front office and HC.

I just wish we weren't making these big decisions mid-season, but rather had our proverbial ducks in a row going in to a season for a change ... but outside of players coming in to the practice facility on their own, training camp / pre-season has been neutered?

1 week of training camp, and 2 weeks of pre-season ... kind of hard to implement a new offense or defense in that amount of time.

[jbk1234]

At least Windler and Wade looked good in their turn to show what they can do.

Wade is my sleeper candidate to take a starting job, small forward, this season.

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[tundraknight]

Okoro had 0 points, 1 rebound, and 1 assist in 21 minutes.

He was just 1 point shy of a Triple Single.

[JonFromVA]

At least Windler and Wade looked good in their turn to show what they can do.

Wade is my sleeper candidate to take a starting job, small forward, this season.

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Apparently JBB is entertaining the idea of Lauri at SF - who hasn't looked much like a PF or C so far.

[jbk1234]

At least Windler and Wade looked good in their turn to show what they can do.

Wade is my sleeper candidate to take a starting job, small forward, this season.

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Apparently JBB is entertaining the idea of Lauri at SF - who hasn't looked much like a PF or C so far.

Lol, at the idea of starting three seven footers. Desperate times I guess.

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[JonFromVA]

Wade is my sleeper candidate to take a starting job, small forward, this season.

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Apparently JBB is entertaining the idea of Lauri at SF - who hasn't looked much like a PF or C so far.

Lol, at the idea of starting three seven footers. Desperate times I guess.

He hasn't gotten there yet, he's talking about a bench rotation with Mobley at C, Love at PF, and Lauri at SF, and probably Garland and Rubio in the back-court. We could do worse ... and gets to something I've pointed out, we might very choose to go with a clunky/defensive-oriented starting lineup but we can still follow that with bench unit with better shooting that presumably can more easier get away with some defensive holes against 2nd units.

[jbk1234]

Apparently JBB is entertaining the idea of Lauri at SF - who hasn't looked much like a PF or C so far.

Lol, at the idea of starting three seven footers. Desperate times I guess.

He hasn't gotten there yet, he's talking about a bench rotation with Mobley at C, Love at PF, and Lauri at SF, and probably Garland and Rubio in the back-court. We could do worse ... and gets to something I've pointed out, we might very choose to go with a clunky/defensive-oriented starting lineup but we can still follow that with bench unit with better shooting that presumably can more easier get away with some defensive holes against 2nd units.

Wait, who would start at PF if they're all coming off the bench?

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[FranchisePlayer]

At least Windler and Wade looked good in their turn to show what they can do.

Wade is my sleeper candidate to take a starting job, small forward, this season.

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Apparently JBB is entertaining the idea of Lauri at SF - who hasn't looked much like a PF or C so far.

If there isn't a thread about JBB, someone could start one. Anyone feel like the young prospects this team has now are being wasted?

Bickerstaff senior making sure his son's job is safe no matter what?

[Neonblazer]

Lol, at the idea of starting three seven footers. Desperate times I guess.

He hasn't gotten there yet, he's talking about a bench rotation with Mobley at C, Love at PF, and Lauri at SF, and probably Garland and Rubio in the back-court. We could do worse ... and gets to something I've pointed out, we might very choose to go with a clunky/defensive-oriented starting lineup but we can still follow that with bench unit with better shooting that presumably can more easier get away with some defensive holes against 2nd units.

Wait, who would start at PF if they're all coming off the bench?

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They used that lineup in the pacers game. They started with the normal lineup and then subbed Love->Allen, Rubio->Sexton, Markkanen-Okoro. My guess is that they are just winging it seeing how the starting lineup starts the game. Against Pacers it was 14-7 for Pacers when the swap happened.

[JonFromVA]

Lol, at the idea of starting three seven footers. Desperate times I guess.

He hasn't gotten there yet, he's talking about a bench rotation with Mobley at C, Love at PF, and Lauri at SF, and probably Garland and Rubio in the back-court. We could do worse ... and gets to something I've pointed out, we might very choose to go with a clunky/defensive-oriented starting lineup but we can still follow that with bench unit with better shooting that presumably can more easier get away with some defensive holes against 2nd units.

Wait, who would start at PF if they're all coming off the bench

The first rotation would be something like Allen, Okoro, and Sexton out ... Love, Markkenen, and Rubio in.

The question is what's the next rotation when Mobley and Garland sit. Does Allen come back in? Does Love move to C and Wade come in at PF? Presumably Sexton returns, but there are options there as well.

[JonFromVA]

Wade is my sleeper candidate to take a starting job, small forward, this season.

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Apparently JBB is entertaining the idea of Lauri at SF - who hasn't looked much like a PF or C so far.

If there isn't a thread about JBB, someone could start one. Anyone feel like the young prospects this team has now are being wasted?

Bickerstaff senior making sure his son's job is safe no matter what?

This is a Dan Gilbert run team, nobody's job is safe ... but firing decisions aren't made in the pre-season. If the Lauri contingent is going to gripe about him being misused for the next 4 years, it's going to get old fast. I'd suggest settling in and let Lauri prove himself. He might not have the perfect situation (few players do), but he will be allowed to do whatever he can do well.

There are certain expectations from an NBA power forward and if Lauri can't meet those even playing next to a rim protecting 7 footer, there's little choice but to look for other ways to use him and not squander the investment we made in him. The odds of Lauri beating out Mobley at starting PF are low - unless the Cavs feel they need to protect Evan. Just how it is.

[FranchisePlayer]

Apparently JBB is entertaining the idea of Lauri at SF - who hasn't looked much like a PF or C so far.

If there isn't a thread about JBB, someone could start one. Anyone feel like the young prospects this team has now are being wasted?

Bickerstaff senior making sure his son's job is safe no matter what?

This is a Dan Gilbert run team, nobody's job is safe ... but firing decisions aren't made in the pre-season. If the Lauri contingent is going to gripe about him being misused for the next 4 years, it's going to get old fast. I'd suggest settling in and let Lauri prove himself. He might not have the perfect situation (few players do), but he will be allowed to do whatever he can do well.

There are certain expectations from an NBA power forward and if Lauri can't meet those even playing next to a rim protecting 7 footer, there's little choice but to look for other ways to use him and not squander the investment we made in him. The odds of Lauri beating out Mobley at starting PF are low - unless the Cavs feel they need to protect Evan. Just how it is.

Well, maybe my own fault but you misunderstood me. I guess I chose the wrong post to quote.

I wasn't complaining about how JBB has used Markkanen so far. I was theoreticising if is the whole team in the right hands now. From development angle.

[jbk1234]

Wade is my sleeper candidate to take a starting job, small forward, this season.

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Apparently JBB is entertaining the idea of Lauri at SF - who hasn't looked much like a PF or C so far.

If there isn't a thread about JBB, someone could start one. Anyone feel like the young prospects this team has now are being wasted?

Bickerstaff senior making sure his son's job is safe no matter what?

If anything, I feel the opposite. Young players are getting big minutes and/or starting roles before they've earned either. It's impacted the performance of the entire starting unit, and on the rare occasion where a veteran like Clarkson or Love had decent trade value, negatively affected it. I don't think Bickerstaff has had a say in starting any of our lottery picks their rookie year. I think the F.O. has been making that call.

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[jbk1234]

Mobley might be closer to ready than I thought. Especially if he's this comfortable playing in space.

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[jbk1234]

Windler had a decent game as well.

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[Neonblazer]

Allen-Mobley-Markkanen trio actually worked alot better than expected. But the real question is where that leaves Sexton and Garland. With the trio they would have to play alot more around the arc and infront of the rim and basically never go under the rim. That's literally the opposite of what Sexton has been doing, atleast this preseason. Sexton has been running under the rim every single game and looked for passes in there.

Sexton and Garland aren't bad players but its obvious that the franchise will be build around Mobley, either they adapt or get traded.

[jbk1234]

Allen-Mobley-Markkanen trio actually worked alot better than expected. But the real question is where that leaves Sexton and Garland. With the trio they would have to play alot more around the arc and infront of the rim and basically never go under the rim. That's literally the opposite of what Sexton has been doing, atleast this preseason. Sexton has been running under the rim every single game and looked for passes in there.

Sexton and Garland aren't bad players but its obvious that the franchise will be build around Mobley, either they adapt or get traded.

Garland was our best starter from 3 last season and he's pretty good at playing at different speeds. But this team isn't built for Sexton's game. They should've traded him for Herro plus whatever sweetener the Heat were willing to add. If they could've gotten off of Love's deal, and gotten Hero back, they're idiots for passing on that opportunity.

Bringing him back was the triumph of hope over experience and I'm not sure how he even fits as a sixth man given the other moves we made. He really shouldn't play alongside Rubio (spacing), Okoro (spacing) or Garland (defense).

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[DroseReturnChi]

Allen-Mobley-Markkanen trio actually worked alot better than expected. But the real question is where that leaves Sexton and Garland. With the trio they would have to play alot more around the arc and infront of the rim and basically never go under the rim. That's literally the opposite of what Sexton has been doing, atleast this preseason. Sexton has been running under the rim every single game and looked for passes in there.

Sexton and Garland aren't bad players but its obvious that the franchise will be build around Mobley, either they adapt or get traded.

thats why i keep saying trade sexton bc he aint serving the bench like lauri. allen is the odd guy out with mobley already surpassing him but he is a much winning basketball player than sexton. you need a vet like rubio to start along garland to develop the bigs.
allen can work if the cavs get rid of love for a 3 man big rotation sharing 96minutes.

exact same lineup without sexton cavs play much better and not a 50pt blowout. blessing in disguise now you know whose the problem. cavs best lineup is clearly rubio-garland-lauri-mobley-allen.

[Revenged25]

Allen-Mobley-Markkanen trio actually worked alot better than expected. But the real question is where that leaves Sexton and Garland. With the trio they would have to play alot more around the arc and infront of the rim and basically never go under the rim. That's literally the opposite of what Sexton has been doing, atleast this preseason. Sexton has been running under the rim every single game and looked for passes in there.

Sexton and Garland aren't bad players but its obvious that the franchise will be build around Mobley, either they adapt or get traded.

thats why i keep saying trade sexton bc he aint serving the bench like lauri. allen is the odd guy out with mobley already surpassing him but he is a much winning basketball player than sexton. you need a vet like rubio to start along garland to develop the bigs.
allen can work if the cavs get rid of love for a 3 man big rotation sharing 96minutes.

exact same lineup without sexton cavs play much better and not a 50pt blowout. blessing in disguise now you know whose the problem. cavs best lineup is clearly rubio-garland-lauri-mobley-allen.

Garland didn't play either, so no that doesn't tell you anything.

[jbk1234]

Allen-Mobley-Markkanen trio actually worked alot better than expected. But the real question is where that leaves Sexton and Garland. With the trio they would have to play alot more around the arc and infront of the rim and basically never go under the rim. That's literally the opposite of what Sexton has been doing, atleast this preseason. Sexton has been running under the rim every single game and looked for passes in there.

Sexton and Garland aren't bad players but its obvious that the franchise will be build around Mobley, either they adapt or get traded.

thats why i keep saying trade sexton bc he aint serving the bench like lauri. allen is the odd guy out with mobley already surpassing him but he is a much winning basketball player than sexton. you need a vet like rubio to start along garland to develop the bigs.
allen can work if the cavs get rid of love for a 3 man big rotation sharing 96minutes.

exact same lineup without sexton cavs play much better and not a 50pt blowout. blessing in disguise now you know whose the problem. cavs best lineup is clearly rubio-garland-lauri-mobley-allen.

I'm not willing to say that Mobley has already surpassed Allen based on one preseason game where the opposing center was Vuc. Mobley looked very comfortable playing in space to me and he does need to add at least a little bit of muscle mass to that frame. Long-term maybe he is a center, but if keeping him at the 4 until he's old enough to drink saves him from some injuries, I think that's prudent.

They've told Love he's not getting more than 10-15 minutes per game off the bench and he seems fine with that. He might actually finish a season healthy. He can still get hot on occasion, he dropped 30 on Boston last April, he can help with spacing, it's a long season, and guys playing in front of him will get banged up. I don't see Love off the bench in limited minutes as an issue.

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