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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1941 » by Asif16 » Thu Oct 7, 2021 12:41 am

If Washington is ass and the Raptors are a top 6 team by the deadline......Would Ya'll do

Gary Trent + Malachi Flynn + Chris Boucher + Picks for Bradley Beal?

Fred VanVleet / Goran Dragic
Bradley Beal / Svi Mikhaluik
OG Anunoby / Yuta Watanabe
Pascal Siakam / Scottie Barnes
Khem Birch / Precious Achiwa
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1942 » by tecumseh18 » Thu Oct 7, 2021 12:44 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
The same reason why we don't have a player who can do the things KPJ can do offensively is the reason why a lot of ppl aren't bullish on the raps as we should be. We are definitely missing a player with KPJ toolset.

Especially with our development system why not take on a player who may have some warts but definitely have plenty of bright spots as well???
This thinking that we have a type and must stick to it, isn't one that should be set in stone.

Now I'm not madd at Masai n bobby, but we should be taking on atleast one of those gamble type of players. Especially ones with such a low caphit and minimal capital to obtain.


He was traded for a top 55 protected 2nd rounder.

If KPJ was any good and had any kind of impact on winning then teams would've been lining up to get him. Instead he got dealt to one of the worst teams in the league for essentially nothing.

We are not missing a player with KPJ's skillset. No one cares about players like KPJ because like I said earlier, he's going to give up the same amount of points on the other end. He's also wildly inefficient on the offensive end. 52% TS last year, 53% in his rookie year. People need to start realizing that inefficient chuckers who don't play defense don't win you games.

The best executives in the league were not interested in KPJ. In fact, it wasn't even just the best ones, it was practically the entire league.


What he was traded for should be irrelevant, or actually relevant to us b/c of how cheaply he could've been had for. You're not getting KPJ from Houston for a top55 protected pick.

A 2nd year player with bad TS and poor defense, that sounds like every other 2nd year player aside from the outliers.

KPJ would definitely make our team if he was somehow available to us. He'd also be in a more structured environment compared to CLV/Hou

I'm just not in the faith of never taking the microwave player, especially when our team could use a microwave player, and if he ever does put it together then he has a chance of something even greater.

This other teams stuff is useless b/c that implies teams don't make mistakes and they do.

Christian wood was seen in a similar light and now look at him. Wood would definitely take our team up a notch, as would KPJ imo.


From the time the Raps traded DeRozen and JV, the direction has been clear. No Kuzmas. No xPJs (Michael or Kevin). No to guys who can't carry their weight on defence, unless they're an absolute deadeye shooter and really cheap (Matt Thomas). Constant pressure on the ball all the time with length and athleticism. It's ... an experiment. Kinda the opposite the Leafs' experiment with pure speed an scoring, oddly enough.

These small-ish microwave guys are like buses. Wait 10 minutes, and another comes along. Of course Christian Wood would be nice. Raptors were always in on him, but never were in a position to grab him. He was taken off waivers before he reached us, and Masai was conserving cap space for Giannis when Wood was an FA.
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Post#1943 » by Los_29 » Thu Oct 7, 2021 1:13 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
The same reason why we don't have a player who can do the things KPJ can do offensively is the reason why a lot of ppl aren't bullish on the raps as we should be. We are definitely missing a player with KPJ toolset.

Especially with our development system why not take on a player who may have some warts but definitely have plenty of bright spots as well???
This thinking that we have a type and must stick to it, isn't one that should be set in stone.

Now I'm not madd at Masai n bobby, but we should be taking on atleast one of those gamble type of players. Especially ones with such a low caphit and minimal capital to obtain.


He was traded for a top 55 protected 2nd rounder.

If KPJ was any good and had any kind of impact on winning then teams would've been lining up to get him. Instead he got dealt to one of the worst teams in the league for essentially nothing.

We are not missing a player with KPJ's skillset. No one cares about players like KPJ because like I said earlier, he's going to give up the same amount of points on the other end. He's also wildly inefficient on the offensive end. 52% TS last year, 53% in his rookie year. People need to start realizing that inefficient chuckers who don't play defense don't win you games.

The best executives in the league were not interested in KPJ. In fact, it wasn't even just the best ones, it was practically the entire league.


What he was traded for should be irrelevant, or actually relevant to us b/c of how cheaply he could've been had for. You're not getting KPJ from Houston for a top55 protected pick.

A 2nd year player with bad TS and poor defense, that sounds like every other 2nd year player aside from the outliers.

KPJ would definitely make our team if he was somehow available to us. He'd also be in a more structured environment compared to CLV/Hou

I'm just not in the faith of never taking the microwave player, especially when our team could use a microwave player, and if he ever does put it together then he has a chance of something even greater.

This other teams stuff is useless b/c that implies teams don't make mistakes and they do.

Christian wood was seen in a similar light and now look at him. Wood would definitely take our team up a notch, as would KPJ imo.


Very rare that 29 teams in the league make the same mistake. KPJ is simply not a player that winning teams have in this league. There is no point in trading for a guy that goes against the culture of this team and what it stands for. He's not worth any form of compensation if that's the case.

Once again, you bring up another guy in Wood who the rest of the league didn't want. We will see how many games Houston wins this year. I think they are winning less than 25 games.

People need to look beyond the box score stats. There are lots of guys in this league who can put up numbers. Doesn't mean they have an impact on winning.

To think that the best executives in the league didn't do their homework on guys like Wood and KPJ is a bit foolish. These are professionals who are right far more than they are wrong.
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Post#1944 » by Los_29 » Thu Oct 7, 2021 1:15 am

tecumseh18 wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
He was traded for a top 55 protected 2nd rounder.

If KPJ was any good and had any kind of impact on winning then teams would've been lining up to get him. Instead he got dealt to one of the worst teams in the league for essentially nothing.

We are not missing a player with KPJ's skillset. No one cares about players like KPJ because like I said earlier, he's going to give up the same amount of points on the other end. He's also wildly inefficient on the offensive end. 52% TS last year, 53% in his rookie year. People need to start realizing that inefficient chuckers who don't play defense don't win you games.

The best executives in the league were not interested in KPJ. In fact, it wasn't even just the best ones, it was practically the entire league.


What he was traded for should be irrelevant, or actually relevant to us b/c of how cheaply he could've been had for. You're not getting KPJ from Houston for a top55 protected pick.

A 2nd year player with bad TS and poor defense, that sounds like every other 2nd year player aside from the outliers.

KPJ would definitely make our team if he was somehow available to us. He'd also be in a more structured environment compared to CLV/Hou

I'm just not in the faith of never taking the microwave player, especially when our team could use a microwave player, and if he ever does put it together then he has a chance of something even greater.

This other teams stuff is useless b/c that implies teams don't make mistakes and they do.

Christian wood was seen in a similar light and now look at him. Wood would definitely take our team up a notch, as would KPJ imo.


From the time the Raps traded DeRozen and JV, the direction has been clear. No Kuzmas. No xPJs (Michael or Kevin). No to guys who can't carry their weight on defence, unless they're an absolute deadeye shooter and really cheap (Matt Thomas). Constant pressure on the ball all the time with length and athleticism. It's ... an experiment. Kinda the opposite the Leafs' experiment with pure speed an scoring, oddly enough.

These small-ish microwave guys are like buses. Wait 10 minutes, and another comes along. Of course Christian Wood would be nice. Raptors were always in on him, but never were in a position to grab him. He was taken off waivers before he reached us, and Masai was conserving cap space for Giannis when Wood was an FA.


Were the Raptors really in on Christian Wood? I'd be absolutely shocked if they were. He's been on 6 teams in 5 years. I can't imagine the Raptors never had an opportunity to get him.
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Post#1945 » by NotMyKawhi » Thu Oct 7, 2021 1:38 am

I'd offer a lot for Cam Reddish.

I see TMAC in him, lots of TMAC. He's playing behind a lot of players on a deep team. He can play SG for us.

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Pascal
Precious

wow, the d is legit and I think Reddish would blossom into our leading scorer.
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Post#1946 » by NotMyKawhi » Thu Oct 7, 2021 1:40 am

Barnes
FVV
OG
Pascal
Precious

will be our best lineup
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1947 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Oct 7, 2021 1:45 am

tecumseh18 wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
He was traded for a top 55 protected 2nd rounder.

If KPJ was any good and had any kind of impact on winning then teams would've been lining up to get him. Instead he got dealt to one of the worst teams in the league for essentially nothing.

We are not missing a player with KPJ's skillset. No one cares about players like KPJ because like I said earlier, he's going to give up the same amount of points on the other end. He's also wildly inefficient on the offensive end. 52% TS last year, 53% in his rookie year. People need to start realizing that inefficient chuckers who don't play defense don't win you games.

The best executives in the league were not interested in KPJ. In fact, it wasn't even just the best ones, it was practically the entire league.


What he was traded for should be irrelevant, or actually relevant to us b/c of how cheaply he could've been had for. You're not getting KPJ from Houston for a top55 protected pick.

A 2nd year player with bad TS and poor defense, that sounds like every other 2nd year player aside from the outliers.

KPJ would definitely make our team if he was somehow available to us. He'd also be in a more structured environment compared to CLV/Hou

I'm just not in the faith of never taking the microwave player, especially when our team could use a microwave player, and if he ever does put it together then he has a chance of something even greater.

This other teams stuff is useless b/c that implies teams don't make mistakes and they do.

Christian wood was seen in a similar light and now look at him. Wood would definitely take our team up a notch, as would KPJ imo.


From the time the Raps traded DeRozen and JV, the direction has been clear. No Kuzmas. No xPJs (Michael or Kevin). No to guys who can't carry their weight on defence, unless they're an absolute deadeye shooter and really cheap (Matt Thomas). Constant pressure on the ball all the time with length and athleticism. It's ... an experiment. Kinda the opposite the Leafs' experiment with pure speed an scoring, oddly enough.

These small-ish microwave guys are like buses. Wait 10 minutes, and another comes along. Of course Christian Wood would be nice. Raptors were always in on him, but never were in a position to grab him. He was taken off waivers before he reached us, and Masai was conserving cap space for Giannis when Wood was an FA.


Wait, so you're telling me that the raps wouldn't want MPJ right now?? And even if that were true, you agree with that ?

Nonsense, MPJ would definitely be welcomed and loved here from all. We traded for GTJ and he wasn't known for his defense when we acquired him. MPJ takes us up a notch as well. We are just on two different pages here
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1948 » by JN » Thu Oct 7, 2021 3:15 am

NotMyKawhi wrote:I'd offer a lot for Cam Reddish.

I see TMAC in him, lots of TMAC. He's playing behind a lot of players on a deep team. He can play SG for us.

Barnes
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Pascal
Precious

wow, the d is legit and I think Reddish would blossom into our leading scorer.


He was inefficient at Duke and he has been very inefficient in the NBA in a secondary role.

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Post#1949 » by Spida888 » Thu Oct 7, 2021 4:45 am

Asif16 wrote:If Washington is ass and the Raptors are a top 6 team by the deadline......Would Ya'll do

Gary Trent + Malachi Flynn + Chris Boucher + Picks for Bradley Beal?

Fred VanVleet / Goran Dragic
Bradley Beal / Svi Mikhaluik
OG Anunoby / Yuta Watanabe
Pascal Siakam / Scottie Barnes
Khem Birch / Precious Achiwa

I have no problem giving up those players but not sure about giving up a boat load of picks.

I would only consider it if Beal signs an extension. Too much risk if he bolts giving up all of that.

Even then I’d have to think about it because as good as Beal is he’s still not a top 10 player. His next contract will be enormous and put us into the tax.
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Post#1950 » by Saul Goodman » Fri Oct 8, 2021 4:13 pm

Depending on how we start out I’d like to see us move on from both Dragic and Boucher as they’re not not on our timeline both age and contract wise. Two scenarios I like



Dragic to Dallas for Dwight Powell, Trey Burke, Josh Green



Dallas sheds Powells contract while getting Lukas buddy. Dragic would help them in the playoffs. The raptors add another young guy to the bench mob to develop



Chris Boucher to Chicago for Derrick Jones JR and Portland’s 1st


Jones is an expiring and getting a late 1st is a great haul for Boucher


If we’re seriously tanktactular like massive losing streak you look at moving pascal but I think the better play would him to rehab his value a bit and do it at the draft.
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Post#1951 » by PT416 » Fri Oct 8, 2021 10:06 pm

RapsFan008 wrote:
Asif16 wrote:If Washington is ass and the Raptors are a top 6 team by the deadline......Would Ya'll do

Gary Trent + Malachi Flynn + Chris Boucher + Picks for Bradley Beal?

Fred VanVleet / Goran Dragic
Bradley Beal / Svi Mikhaluik
OG Anunoby / Yuta Watanabe
Pascal Siakam / Scottie Barnes
Khem Birch / Precious Achiwa

I have no problem giving up those players but not sure about giving up a boat load of picks.

I would only consider it if Beal signs an extension. Too much risk if he bolts giving up all of that.

Even then I’d have to think about it because as good as Beal is he’s still not a top 10 player. His next contract will be enormous and put us into the tax.

If we made that move, I'd love to go all in for Simmons..
FVV + Dragic + Picks for Simmons

Ben Simmons / Scottie Barnes
Bradley Beal / Svi Mikhailuk
OG Anunoby / Yuta Watanabe / Scottie Barnes
Pascal Siakam / Scottie Barnes
Precious Achiuwa / Khem Birch / Scottie Barnes

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Post#1952 » by Spida888 » Fri Oct 8, 2021 10:24 pm

If later in the season Chicago wants to improve while Toronto decides to rebuild, I'd be interested in something like:

FVV + Boucher for PWill + Coby White + Ayo Dosunmu + Derrick Jones Jr

The prize is mainly to pry away PWill, but not sure Chicago bites.
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Post#1953 » by HumbleRen » Fri Oct 8, 2021 10:44 pm

We just need a Jamal Murray type guard on our team.
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Post#1954 » by NotMyKawhi » Fri Oct 8, 2021 10:48 pm

HumbleRen wrote:We just need a Jamal Murray type guard on our team.


I wish they traded him to us. I'd give up so much.


If he gets streaky on a good defensive team? He can win a championship. He has superstar in him
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Post#1955 » by Raps1103 » Sat Oct 9, 2021 2:29 pm

Asif16 wrote:If Washington is ass and the Raptors are a top 6 team by the deadline......Would Ya'll do

Gary Trent + Malachi Flynn + Chris Boucher + Picks for Bradley Beal?

Fred VanVleet / Goran Dragic
Bradley Beal / Svi Mikhaluik
OG Anunoby / Yuta Watanabe
Pascal Siakam / Scottie Barnes
Khem Birch / Precious Achiwa


Do you genuinely think you can get BB for that???? Do you actually think that Washington couldn’t get a better deal than that ? Cmon man !!
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Post#1956 » by ItsDanger » Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:00 am

Our management is allergic to shot creators.

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Post#1957 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:24 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Our management is allergic to shot creators.



Lol all the predraft threads I was on team Bouknight at number 8 if we never moved up. He needs to bulk up to be a legit 2 way guy but is easily one of the best scorers in the class next to Jalen and Thomas
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Post#1958 » by Saul Goodman » Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:25 am

RapsFan008 wrote:If later in the season Chicago wants to improve while Toronto decides to rebuild, I'd be interested in something like:

FVV + Boucher for PWill + Coby White + Ayo Dosunmu + Derrick Jones Jr

The prize is mainly to pry away PWill, but not sure Chicago bites.


I think both teams would prefer Siakam instead of Fred.


Siakam is actually an incredible fit in Chicago and would make them a serious contender in the east. ball/Lavine/Demar/Siakam/Vuc



Fred/Barnes/OG/Williams/Achiuwa. If these guys can all develop offensively that would be a the most nightmarish defensive squads since the 2004 pistons
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Post#1959 » by Saul Goodman » Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:28 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Our management is allergic to shot creators.



Lol all the predraft threads I was on team Bouknight at number 8 if we never moved up. He needs to bulk up to be a legit 2 way guy but is easily one of the best scorers in the class next to Jalen and Thomas


Was really wishing Orlando was desperate enough to nab Suggs and trade us 5 and 8 for #4. Bouknight and Barnes would have been a hell of a haul.
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Post#1960 » by alpngso » Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:14 pm

Sign Jahlil Okafor and cut Freddie G

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