Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition)

[SO_MONEY]

One of the differences in opinion we have here is that I feel the pro-Simmons argument is, “well, except for shooting, Ben is great.” Personally I see four big scary risks, not just shooting, but shooting is a huge huge deal. I posted the stats above, but Simmons net value is closer to Rubio than true stars.

This morning, I was listening to RealGM’s Northwest preview podcast. Right out of the gate, David Locke said if you’re not a center, you can’t play in the nba if you shoot under 30% 3P. I wouldn’t go that far, but I do feel that no matter how good you are at other skills, you can’t be a star with bad shooting

But he is tho. That's how good he is.

Don't you think is going to be way different for Ben to have the opportunity to play with a big like KAT instead of Embiid (spacing wise)?

I don't view him as a star, there are many, many people in my camp. You keep making the argument he is a star, actual stars would be almost universally accepted as such. Simmons isn't. Simmons might not be a top 30 player.

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Please.

This is gonna be GLORIOUS!!!!

[the_process]

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Price isn't going down, sorry y'all.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

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Price isn't going down, sorry y'all.

That’s cool. I’d rather not gut our bench for him.

[Neeva]

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Price isn't going down, sorry y'all.

Lol neither is the toxicity in that locker room sorry y’all…

[SO_MONEY]

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Price isn't going down, sorry y'all.

Yup, it has probably bottomed out for the most part.

[shrink]

Price isn't going down, sorry y'all.

Embiid and Rivers never apologized for throwing him under the bus. Embiid even took a few more shots at him on media day. PHI fans and the media will continue to vilify him — boisterously - while still telling everyone else how much trade value he has.

What would you put the odds of this blowing up in PHI’s face? 90%?

When he shows up, sulks, and then feigns an injury to get paid for staying home, his trade value will drop even further.

[Domejandro]

Philly fans booing the **** out of him is going to be wild.

[shrink]

Philly fans booing the **** out of him is going to be wild.

But if there is one player in the NBA that has shown the confidence and team-spirit to put up with those boos, it’s Ben Simmons,

[gandlogo]

Philly fans booing the **** out of him is going to be wild.

But if there is one player in the NBA that has shown the confidence and team-spirit to put up with those boos, it’s Ben Simmons,

Could your font be any greener?

[Merc_Porto]

One of the differences in opinion we have here is that I feel the pro-Simmons argument is, “well, except for shooting, Ben is great.” Personally I see four big scary risks, not just shooting, but shooting is a huge huge deal. I posted the stats above, but Simmons net value is closer to Rubio than true stars.

This morning, I was listening to RealGM’s Northwest preview podcast. Right out of the gate, David Locke said if you’re not a center, you can’t play in the nba if you shoot under 30% 3P. I wouldn’t go that far, but I do feel that no matter how good you are at other skills, you can’t be a star with bad shooting

But he is tho. That's how good he is.

Don't you think is going to be way different for Ben to have the opportunity to play with a big like KAT instead of Embiid (spacing wise)?

I don't view him as a star, there are many, many people in my camp. You keep making the argument he is a star, actual stars would be almost universally accepted as such. Simmons isn't. Simmons might not be a top 30 player.

Wait a minute, I keep making the argument he is a star?

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2× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2020, 2021)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2018)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2018)
NBA steals leader (2020)

Even you saying that Ben might not be a top-30 player in this league is a compliment of how good he is...

[Takingbaconback]

Simmons handicaps the offense. Who cares about his passing, his pathetic shooting outside the paint makes the point moot. The defense is just gonna let him shoot perimeter shots all day. He's a pathetic free throw shooter to boot. Considering his weak mentality, he's going to keep caving as guys talk trash to him, put him on the line, let him clank bricks on top of bricks night in and night out. Let Philly keep him seeing how much he's worth to them lol. Trying to get Dame or Beal for Simmons? 2 Simmons isn't worth either of them. What a joke

[Note30]

Price isn't going down, sorry y'all.

and Rivers never apologized for throwing him under the bus. Embiid even took a few more shots at him on media day. PHI fans and the media will continue to vilify him — boisterously - while still telling everyone else how much trade value he has.

What would you put the odds of this blowing up in PHI’s face? 90%?

When he shows up, sulks, and then feigns an injury to get paid for staying home, his trade value will drop even further.

He really thought he did something

[IceManBK1]

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sign RHJ or Biyombo to 1 yr vet min please.

Vanderbilt is overrated defensively. not really a legit starter. RHJ can get you 12 ppg without consistent outside shot. Biyombo is the kinda defender we need honestly.

[Merc_Porto]

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sign RHJ or Biyombo to 1 yr vet min please.

Vanderbilt is overrated defensively. not really a legit starter. RHJ can get you 12 ppg without consistent outside shot. Biyombo is the kinda defender we need honestly.

That's interesting to look at and think about this...
Even if we are being disrespectful to the media, to other fans...
This is the perspective right now https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2128073

You don't see a single person to even consider us a candidate to be a playoffs team, not even close.
And I totally agree with this prespective, even though I hope I am wrong ofc.

So, for those that don't want to make a move for a player like Ben and want to keep all of the "talent" we have outside of KAT - Ant (because we know those two are off the table for a possible trade), I ask this, what you think is going to happen next year if we don't make the playoffs this season with KAT with only 2 years left on his contract and 1 playoff appearance in 7 years?

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NBA Rookie of the Year (2018)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2018)
NBA steals leader (2020)

Even you saying that Ben might not be a top-30 player in this league is a compliment of how good he is...

I think a lot of people tend to view Ben Simmons by what he used to be, not what he is. Maybe more correctly, by the awards that people gave him based on what they thought he would become. For example, it’s very rare for the #1 pick to not make the rookie 1st team. Simmons came in like gangbusters, but his inability or unwillingness to improve his glaring flaws lowers his value today.

Over on the Trade Board, a poster pointed out that it was a lot easier for Simmons to make All Star appearances in the Eastern Conference than McCollum in the West. For example, I have pointed out that D’Angelo Russell made the All Star roster in the East in 2019, when Rudy Gobert did not make it in the West. We don’t talk about Russell as an All Star today, because he has little chance of being one in the future.

The same comes through for All NBA. Simmons fans want to call him an All NBA player, but last year he only got two, third place votes, and I’m sure that since then, the chance anyone is voting for him again is very slim.

Was Simmons a top 30 player in the past? Maybe, but I doubt it - I think his awards came from his fame and projections of how he would become a star. Right now though, he shouldn’t be valued like a top 30 player, because he won’t be one in the future.

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Darkest before the dawn. I think he gets moved before the season starts. Returning only jumpstarts teams sweetening their offers instead the bottom falling out of the market. Teams will raise their stakes because they don’t want his value to go any higher with the threat of him returning to the court for Philly. He’ll never wear a Sixers uniform again, that ship is long gone. My money is on us the Spurs or Blazers! With the Blazers being the lead horse.

[Merc_Porto]

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All-NBA Third Team (2020)
2× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2020, 2021)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2018)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2018)
NBA steals leader (2020)

Even you saying that Ben might not be a top-30 player in this league is a compliment of how good he is...

I think a lot of people tend to view Ben Simmons by what he used to be, not what he is. Maybe more correctly, by the awards that people gave him based on what they thought he would become. For example, it’s very rare for the #1 pick to not make the rookie 1st team. Simmons came in like gangbusters, but his inability or unwillingness to improve his glaring flaws lowers his value today.

Over on the Trade Board, a poster pointed out that it was a lot easier for Simmons to make All Star appearances in the Eastern Conference than McCollum in the West. For example, I have pointed out that D’Angelo Russell made the All Star roster in the East in 2019, when Rudy Gobert did not make it in the West. We don’t talk about Russell as an All Star today, because he has little chance of being one in the future.

The same comes through for All NBA. Simmons fans want to call him an All NBA player, but last year he only got two, third place votes, and I’m sure that since then, the chance anyone is voting for him again is very slim.

Was Simmons a top 30 player in the past? Maybe, but I doubt it - I think his awards came from his fame. Right now though, he shouldn’t be valued like a top 30 player, because he won’t be one in the future.

Is not even slightly comparable to the examples you gave, not even fair tbh.
Simmons wasn a late all-star choice in every single of those years because some other players got injured or because of a weaker conference. You know it.

That's a really bad attempt to try to dismiss Ben and what he can do on the floor tho. Or better yet, what he has done.

CJ or even DLO never were in a discussion for the 30 best players in the league, not even top-50, Ben was in 19-20 and for 20-21, he is not this year and we all know why... So, was Paul George or Chris Paul at some point as well, we know what a bad postseason can do to a player (perspective) value.

[Dewey]

Ya I’m not biting on the “Simmons back to Philly” short-term or long-term, but I will say I like teams not letting players bail or force their way out regardless the circumstances. Simmons and 76’ers organization couldn’t have messed this up any more…